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To: ezfindit
The fir tree was used for exactly this purpose long before Christ. Read “The Two Babylons” by Rev Alexander Hislop. Almost every single modern “Christmas” tradition had its invention in the Babylonian mystery cults.

Christmas is important, but it would mean nothing without the Cross. Passover is the real holiday. And I am one of those who think Christmas is probably when Christ was conceived, not born.

2 posted on 12/24/2010 11:44:22 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy

Jesus was born under the astrological sign of Leo ... for what it’s worth in an Internet discussion.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 12:00:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: wbarmy

You wrote:

“The fir tree was used for exactly this purpose long before Christ. Read “The Two Babylons” by Rev Alexander Hislop.”

Hislop’s book is rubbish. Even Ralph Woodrow came to that conclusion after relying entirely on Woodrow for his bad information. It was a high school teacher who showed Woodrow where Hislop went wrong.

“Almost every single modern “Christmas” tradition had its invention in the Babylonian mystery cults.”

That too is completely false. Hislop simply made things up. I really wish people would read real books by real scholars rather than garbage by sciolists who had to know they were lying when they wrote their trash.


5 posted on 12/24/2010 12:01:16 PM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: wbarmy

A Christmas tree is the same thing as a Yule tree.
100% Pagan.


6 posted on 12/24/2010 12:05:12 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: wbarmy

“long before Christ” There is no “before Christ.” He’s the Creator and Redeemer. He is in every part of the whole tapestry of time. So winter solstice, Christmas trees, Yule logs etc are all part of His glory. C.S. Lewis helped me understand that.


8 posted on 12/24/2010 12:05:57 PM PST by Mercat
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To: wbarmy
“The Two Babylons” by Rev Alexander Hislop

Not the best source.

15 posted on 12/24/2010 1:09:44 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: wbarmy
Kislev 25 Hanukkah is when Christ was conceived, which is intermingled in dates with December 25. Making both Hanukkah and Christmas coincide with each other. Christ was conceived during Hanukkah and born on the first day of Sukkot in the Fall. This can all be proven Biblically and scripturally if anyone loves the truth and not religion.

Yahweh has such a sense of humor but truthfully all of the Holy Feasts are Yahweh's time clock and reveals His plan. It's fun to watch the clergy get tongue tied when they can't unmuddle the muddled doctrines. Only truth will clear up all the muddles :)

16 posted on 12/24/2010 1:27:06 PM PST by ladyL
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To: wbarmy

The Babylon idea has been thoroughly debunked by historians. Also It’s highly probable that Jesus was born in the winter given that shepherds were in the fields outside Bethlehem at the time (summer/fall is the dry season). The only reason they would be there is because the grass had come in. The rainy season starts in November so the grass is at it’s peak in December through February.


29 posted on 12/25/2010 4:47:49 AM PST by Varda
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To: wbarmy
Read “The Two Babylons” by Rev Alexander Hislop. Almost every single modern “Christmas” tradition had its invention in the Babylonian mystery cults.

A stupid and worthless book, based on 1840's archaeology (and much of that misused and/or misquoted) and a dogged dedication to the logical fallacy called "affirming the consequent". Oh, and a very superficial acquaintance with Catholicism and an Anglo-centric worldview.

It's ignorant foolishness unworthy of thinking Christians.

31 posted on 12/25/2010 4:27:10 PM PST by Campion
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