Is Mormonism Christian?: A Comparison of Mormonism and Historic Christianity

Institute for Religious Research ^ | 1999

[BigFinn]

If you believe Scripture... I believe it warns if even an angel in heaven (in this case Moroni, in Islam's case... Gabriel ) brings another Gospel... to reject it... it is deception.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Pretty straightforward to me.

[runninglips]

The Torah explains who the Messiah is and what he would teach. The NT is the story of his Apostles as they interacted with him and what they were told to tell of him. The golden tablets on American soil that disappeared.....ppppppppppplllllllll. That is religious dogma. It adds to the word and detracts by doing so. Some of the Catholic cathecism does so also. That is one reason so many reject religion, but worship God and believe in the sacrifice of Jesus.

[doc1019]

Sometimes the truth hurts and the tears come later. All my prayers go out to you.

[Colofornian]

Most of them are perfectly fine people with nice moral values but they are not Christian

Well, as you may know, even perfectly fine -- horizontally that is -- externally identified Christians won't become heaven-based based upon their level of "fineness."

The more I think about it, I think that's actually what bothers a few non-Mormon allies who come on board these threads.

I think a few of them think, "hey, if the external morality of the Mormons isn't good enough for heaven, where does that leave me?" And so, they temporarily align with the Mormons on these threads vs. those who are perceived to attack the premise that God gives out heaven on the basis of a sort-of "grade system" -- like it was morality school or somethin'.

The problem is...it's all pass-fail. Either we get there on Christ's righteousness -- and His alone -- or we don't get there. James says if we break one part of the law, we're guilty of breaking all of it (James 2:10).

Either Christ and trusting in His perfection is our righteousness, or, we try to establish it on our own.

That...is Mormon heresy...and yet it's Biblical teaching through and through.

Whatever righteousness we display is part of the fruit of the Spirit -- and any other qualities He transmits through us.

He gets the glory in living in us as His temple.

The main temple emphasis in Mormonism is a man-made facility that will one day be destroyed without hope of resurrection.

[hondact200]

Christians beware there will be many whom claim they are of Christ, but they have false teachings and false teachers. they will cast into an eternal fire and be damned for entirety.

Be like the Bereans and read the scripture so you can be knowledgeable of others whom strive to teach diverse teachings.

By looking at the Bible and historic christianity, you can see clearly that Mormonism is a false church. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

Compare Mormonism or Church of the Latter Saints as it strive to call itself to that of the democrats and Progressives. Strive to make themselves seem like something entirely good and beneficial, when in fact they are evil, corrupt and detrimental to the well being of those around them.

[reaganaut]

but your everyday Mormon does not spread such venom, and I doubt they even know about it.”

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If you think that then you are way wrong. They know it, they tell each other about it, they brag about it in ‘the church’ and then they lie to the faces of ‘gentiles’ (all non Mormons - even Jews) in order to be accepted.

How do I know? Because I used to be one. Then God saved me.

[devere]

“Why don’t you know go after Muslims??”

Too dangerous?

[Larry Lucido]

Kevin, it’s like this. Folks who obsess about Mormons when there are better things to do are basically deranged. That’s it in a nutshell.

BTW I didn’t name names, see, so my statement isn’t making it personal. I can’t help if some deranged person takes it personally, though. :-)

[delacoert]

Thanks for these threads, Colofornian. There is so much material in them to review and consider that at times I have been slow to respond - but please know that I am working my way through them.

[Elsie]

What they don’t preach is “Kill all the christians and jews” like the muzzies do...

They don't drive down the left side of the road, like the Limeys do, either.

I'm sure you may have a point, but it wasn't explained too well.

[Colofornian]

...why does it cause so much animosity?

You know, I tire of these liberal tactics by posters like yourself.

Colorado voters in the 90s simply didn't want civil rights protections extended to homosexuals. The black-robed rogues of the Supreme Court overturned it about a decade after that, claiming that Colorado voters showed "animus" toward homosexuals and lesbians.

For one of the first times in our Free Republic, voters were disallowed to think in a certain way when they voted. It became, in effect, a "thought crime" to vote with certain motivations -- as if these black-robed rogues could discern Colorado voters' motivations at such a distance & lump them together to begin with!

You display this same sort of internal judgmentalism with such a simple question.

Then, once the gay activist community realized they had a court precedent of your "animus" angle, what have they done with it?

They've been tossing it up for the past year and a half trying to use it vs. Prop 8 -- something many Mormon citizens opposed with their $ and voice!

Examples:
* Prop 8 On Trial--Animus takes center stage
* 'Voter animus' to be issue in California marriage case

All you continue to do is to reinforce liberal logic...

(I certainly won't say it, but I'm sure some people could tell you where to stick that animus!)

[Elsie]

 

That may be written in the discourses, but your everyday Mormon does not spread such venom, and I doubt they even know about it.

 

 Their loss...

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2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

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It does NOT just say 'study'; but do so to make yourself APPROVED unto GOD.

[Elsie]

People like you is why I don’t go to church..

No; YOU are the reason you don't go to church!

YOU are SO much better than everyone else.

I believe in God and Jesus, but I refuse to hang around people like you..

[doc1019]

And yet those that we would consider as intelligent (Glen Beck as an example) keep falling for this BS. Of course, as a Protestant, I believe he moved from one cult to another. But that is just me. ;-)

[Elsie]

What are the fruits that Mormons bear? Good fruit or bad? That is the real question. At least for me anyway.

But you ain't GOD.

What does HE require?

[Elsie]

Its great to be aware of erroneous teaching, and to make others aware, but if a bunch of mormons moved into my neighborhood I would thank them profusely for improving my home value.

"What does it profit a man..."

[delacoert]

People like you is why I don’t go to church..

<rolleyes>

[MuttTheHoople]

I can get into all the doctrinal issues going on here, and I agree with what's being said. However, I'm going to say the reason why I disagree with the Mormon church- the people in it. Most of them are nice....too nice. They are so plastic in their emotions, you wonder if they're going to explode one day.

Also, the BYU Cougars are one of the dirtiest football teams I've ever seen. They grab, hold, bite, whatever, and get away with it because the referees refuse to believe a bunch of "nice Mormon boys" would play dirty.

Finally, I know several Mormon couples who've divorced, showing they're no different from anybody else (sadly including Evangelical Christians).

There are plenty of good arguments backed by facts 0n this thread. My post is more emotional, but I still believe in it.

[Elsie]

 

Folks who obsess about Mormons when there are better things to do are basically deranged.

 

 

Good statement...

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Mormon Missionary Rules

1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
4. Don't debate or argue.
5. Center your mind on your mission.
6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees.  No floor-length skirts or dresses.
7. Cut your hair regularly.
8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
9. Be neat and clean.
10. Bathe frequently.
11. Use deodorant.
12. Polish your shoes.
13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
18. Exercise regularly.
19. Write in your journal regularly.
20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
36. Do not go on road trips.
37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission ("District leaders must approve travel outside your area within the district; zone leaders must approve travel outside your district within the zone; and the mission president must approve travel outside the zone.")
38. Do not watch television.
39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
40. Do not listen to the radio.
41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
42. Do not participate in musical groups.
43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
45. Do not engage in contact sports.
46. Do not engage in water sports.
47. Do not engage in winter sports.
48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
51. Do not embark on a private boat.
52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
53. Do not handle firearms.
54. Do not handle explosives.
55. Do not swim.
56. Do not play full court basketball.
57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
59. You may play half-court basketball.
60. Never be alone.
61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
62. Be loyal to your companion.
63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
64. Pray with your companion every day.
65. Study with your companion every day.
66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
72. Do not arise before your companion.
73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
77. Do not flirt.
78. Do not date.
79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
90. Do not telephone parents (in some areas, the mission president will make an exception to this rule and will allow 2 phone calls per year: one on Christmas and one on Mother's day.  But the actual rule in the handbook does not give any exceptions.  In my mission, the mission president affirmed that the rule in the handbook is unambiguous: Don't telephone your parents, no exceptions).
91. Do not telephone relatives.
92. Do not telephone friends.
93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president (There are no checks, balances, or appeals when it comes to the authority of the mission president).
97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert (I have to wonder, isn't it intrinsically disrespectful to their customs and traditions when your purpose for engaging them is to convert them from their customs and traditions and to yours?)
98. Obey all mission rules.
99. Obey the laws of the land.
100. Do not get involved in politics.
101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
102. Do not give any information about the area.
103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
108. Be courteous.
109. Provide community service.
110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
114. Keep your housing unit clean.
115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators. (I wonder if this is because prayer and fasting doesn't cause strangers to convert and consequently proves to be a faith-demoting experience).
121. Maintain your health.
122. Eat a healthy diet.
123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
124. Follow the approved exercise program.
125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
129. Be immunized.
130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
131. Budget your money carefully.
132. Keep a record of what you spend.
133. Do not spend more than your companion.
134. Do not loan money.
135. Do not borrow money.
136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
141. Be a frugal photographer.
142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
147. Do not drive without a license.
148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
149. Do not drive members’ cars.
150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.  (A few investigators have asked me why the missionaries are reluctant to offer them a ride to church.  The answer: giving rides is against the rules).
152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
155. Drive defensively.
156. Wear your seat belt.
157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving. 
158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
159. Do not tamper with the vehicles odometer.
160. Know bicycle safety rules.
161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

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Conclusion:

The Mormon Scriptures teach that the purpose of life is a test to see if we will do everything that God commands us to (Abraham 3:25).  Once we get pretty advanced in the game God might push the envelope on this and command us to do something totally bizarre and immoral such as killing our children (Genesis 22:2), but most of us never reach that level.

The Mormon missionary is given innumerable opportunities every day to show God that he will obey.  The missionary's life is defined by rules.  The rules dictate who he will be with, what he does with each hour of the week, which books he may read, and that he won't receive information about the world through radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, or the Internet.  And he is assigned a vigilante to follow him around 24-7 to make sure he obeys.  A church video about missionary life has a scene depicting a missionary reading the newspaper.  That missionary was breaking the rules.

Last night, my wife saw me reading the Missionary Guide.  It brought back all sorts of nasty memories from her mission and she said I must be a masochist for reading it.  I laughed at that, but now I'm wondering if she had a point--just thinking about the mission rules is painful to me.  As a missionary, I felt that the mission, God's church, and ultimately God himself despised individuality and freedom.  My efforts to obey the mission rules resulted in immeasurable amounts of emotional and physical pain.  I have had Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis since I was a child, and it was impossible to take care of my body and obey the missionary rules.  So, I tortured my body throughout my mission, and abused it to the point where I literally couldn't stand, much less walk.

The mission rules caused my body permanent damage, and did serious damage to my emotional health--I've been home for over 10 years and apparently I still haven't completely recovered.

The above are the rules from The Missionary Handbook (commonly known as the "White Bible").  It is a little booklet that the missionaries carry in their shirt pocket.  There are many rules the missionary is subjected to that aren't in the White Bible, but these are the basics. I am frequently asked if I am serious about these rules.  The answer is yes.  A few parenthetical comments have been added.

As you think about these rules, it is worth also considering psychologist Steven Hassan's BITE model.  Hassan asserts that if a group passes a certain threshold of manipulating its members behaviors, thoughts, emotions, and access to information, the group is rightly categorized as a cult and is exercising destructive mind control.  You can read about his model here.  You may decide for yourself if such manipulation exists, if it is harmful, and whether or not the Mormon missionary experience is a good example of this phenomenon.  Here is a site that brings the BITE model to bear on the Mormon missionary program.

 

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