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Quit pestering us, church leaders tell membership in letter
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Nov. 22, 2010 | Eric Johnson

Posted on 12/29/2010 12:07:25 PM PST by Colofornian

On October 24th, the LDS First Presidency (led by Prophet Thomas S. Monson) wrote several letters that were to be read in Mormon Sunday services around the world. According to examiner.com, the first letter was “likely spurred by Boyd K. Packer’s most recent General Conference talk entitled ‘Cleansing the Inner Vessel.’ Church Headquarters has been receiving an increased amount of correspondence from its members about doctrinal issues. Because of this influx of correspondence, the First Presidency reminded and encouraged LDS church members to utilize their local church authorities – bishops, branch presidents, stake presidents, etc — before resorting to contacting Church Headquarters.”

In other words, the Mormon laity was told to quit bothering their church leadership on issues related to doctrine. We can only wonder why the church is apparently receiving so many inquiries. Could it be that Christians are asking their Mormon friends and family members difficult questions who are unable to provide satisfactory answers? Regardless, the leadership apparently feels the number of questions is overwhelming their resources. I just can’t imagine Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Malachi writing in the Old Testament, “You people are asking too many questions. We’re too busy doing other things, so leave us alone.” Yet this appears to be the attitude of Monson and his two advisers.

Since Monson and his counselors are supposed to have a direct connection with God—they are, after all, leaders of God’s supposedly restored church—it would seem that they have the necessary resources at their disposal to provide answers. Just direct the general authorities speaking at the biannual general conferences to deal with these befuddling issues. But Monson and the other leaders weren’t born yesterday. They know that deferring to local leaders means the hierarchy can distance themselves from any answers brought forth by bishops, stake presidents, and others below the general authority level. Their answers can not be considered official doctrine, so if they come up with unpopular responses or even contradict Mormon teaching, nobody will call their answers “official doctrine.” Letting the lower leaders take the heat keeps the pressure off those in Salt Lake City. Smart move.

I can only imagine the questions being asked that the LDS leadership would rather avoid, including:

* Is it true that Joseph Smith was married to some 34 different women at the same time, 11 of whom were already married to other men and 11 who were teenagers?

* How do I answer my Christian friends who have been showing me this DNA video saying there is no scientific connection between Native Americans and the Lamanites talked about in the Book of Mormon?

* President Monson, there must be archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon story, but I’m being told there’s none. Can you please direct me to these artifacts?

* Is it true that three of the apostles have been spiritually married in the temple to second wives for eternity?

* If we believe in free agency, then why is our church trying to buy a street in Manti in order to keep Christians from sharing their faith near the pageant grounds?

* I’ve been shown some very difficult verses in the Bible about salvation, as my Christian friends say it’s possible to know that we are forgiven because it’s not based on my efforts. It seems to contradict the way I’ve been taught. How can I answer?

* Why does our church emphasize Gethsemane for the atonement rather than the cross?

* I need direction on the Virgin Birth. We don’t believe there was some type of physical union between Heavenly Father and Mary, do we?

Are you able to see why the church had to write this letter?


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From the article: I can only imagine the questions being asked that the LDS leadership would rather avoid, including:...* How do I answer my Christian friends who have been showing me this DNA video saying there is no scientific connection between Native Americans and the Lamanites talked about in the Book of Mormon? * President Monson, there must be archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon story, but I’m being told there’s none. Can you please direct me to these artifacts?

'Tis a reason that there's almost not a week goes by that Michael Ash doesn't have to devote an apologetics piece about Book of Mormon geography and/or BoM historicity in his Deseret News column.

(Simply put: It's because (a) the sheer volume of questions coming up on the matter; and (b) the LDS general authorities, based upon what they circulated Oct. 24, 2010, don't want to have to deal with those questions directly!)

Top 2010 FR Lds threads dealing with these issues:

* The Fight Over Book of Mormon Geography [Top categorical thread of the year: 1,067 replies]

* Book of Mormon geography articles by Joseph Smith? [125 replies]
* Two points about Book of Mormon geography
* Book of Mormon geography stirring controversy
* DNA doesn't prove Book of Mormon historicity, either
* Anthropological Problems in the Book of Mormon

1 posted on 12/29/2010 12:07:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
And, since this thread article added eight more relevant questions for Mormons, here's a look at some of the Top 2010 FR Lds threads dealing with key questions for Lds:
* Questions for Glenn Beck [248 replies]
* Difficult Questions for Mormons
* Test your knowledge of the Book of Mormon
2 posted on 12/29/2010 12:09:58 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Colofornian
" Church Headquarters has been receiving an increased amount of correspondence from its members about doctrinal issues."

Sounds like the Cat's out of the bag.

That must be why Monson and Oaks hang out with Reid and Obama so much, so he can instruct them on obfuscation techniques.


3 posted on 12/29/2010 12:23:47 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: Colofornian

I must say, the more I learn about Mormonism, the more confusing it becomes. It seems to have a lot of moving parts.


4 posted on 12/29/2010 12:27:07 PM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: Colofornian
Church Headquarters has been receiving an increased amount of correspondence from its members about doctrinal issues. Because of this influx of correspondence, the First Presidency reminded and encouraged LDS church members to utilize their local church authorities – bishops, branch presidents, stake presidents, etc — before resorting to contacting Church Headquarters.” In other words, the Mormon laity was told to quit bothering their church leadership on issues related to doctrine.

See related thread:
Wrestling with doctrine no match for me [LDS Open]

5 posted on 12/29/2010 12:30:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: RexBeach

The foundation of the LDS cult was built on sand, and the internet is bringing forth storm waters of truth that are washing it away.


6 posted on 12/29/2010 12:31:49 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: Colofornian

I think the LDS church needs a church consultant to help them get rid of all their falsehoods. Maybe even a crack team of auditors.

Seriously. They should confess to the falsehhods and genuinely remake the lds into a Biblical church. Of course, more than a few leaders need to get born again for this to truly occur.


7 posted on 12/29/2010 12:32:56 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SENTINEL
That must be why Monson and Oaks hang out with Reid and Obama so much, so he can instruct them on obfuscation techniques.

Yup: Mormon church gives first lady volume of family history

8 posted on 12/29/2010 12:36:08 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Colofornian

IBPD


9 posted on 12/29/2010 12:36:34 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Colofornian
We’re too busy doing other things diverting attention from our criminal ways, so leave us alone.”

There, that's better.

10 posted on 12/29/2010 12:36:43 PM PST by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: All

We are allowed to start the same threads repeatedly? I wan’t aware of this. Good to know.


11 posted on 12/29/2010 12:38:04 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


12 posted on 12/29/2010 12:38:25 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

Mmm Mmm! Spam!


13 posted on 12/29/2010 12:42:23 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
PD - I think you're referencing Kirby's column, which was posted in Nov on this same matter. (See: Kirby: Wrestling with doctrine no match for me )

Kirby presented a Mormon angle on this; Johnson presents a Christian angle on this.

14 posted on 12/29/2010 12:45:11 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Paragon Defender

15 posted on 12/29/2010 12:48:02 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Truth = spam?

alrighty then


16 posted on 12/29/2010 12:54:58 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Colofornian

PD - I think you’re referencing Kirby’s column, which was posted in Nov on this same matter. (See: Kirby: Wrestling with doctrine no match for me )

Kirby presented a Mormon angle on this; Johnson presents a Christian angle on this.


aaah I see... you repackage it to run it into the ground a little more. Typical.

Mormons are Christian by the way.

Happy New Year!


17 posted on 12/29/2010 12:56:27 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Truth! LOL!

Anyway, it's spam because you insist on posting it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again....

18 posted on 12/29/2010 12:58:03 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Mmmmm! Spam!
19 posted on 12/29/2010 12:58:39 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL!


20 posted on 12/29/2010 1:01:14 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

You have an issue with truth?

I keep seeing anti-Mormon propaganda threads over and over and over again. It’s the same old and tired non-issues repackaged and spammed day after day. Whine to your homeys.


21 posted on 12/29/2010 1:03:26 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: RexBeach
Motorized goal post.

The benefit is that Mormons are never wrong on any argument...

Being correct becomes an issue of course, but one that can be overlooked...

22 posted on 12/29/2010 1:06:44 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

LOL!


23 posted on 12/29/2010 1:07:21 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

It’s beyond spam now, it’s a running joke and a tiresome one at that.

IAPDs running tiresome joke.


24 posted on 12/29/2010 1:11:30 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Paragon Defender
You have an issue with truth?

No, of course not. It's just that Mormonism is NOT truth. It contradicts the Bible. Thus, Joseph Smith was a false prophet. The Bible has some things to say about false prophets:

Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

25 posted on 12/29/2010 1:11:59 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Graybeard58

Yes, very tiresome indeed!


26 posted on 12/29/2010 1:13:23 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: SENTINEL
The Internet will end the LDS as we know it in the next couple of decades.

They will either have “revelation” that all of it was some test or miscommunication and fall into line with actual Christian doctrine or shrink into a almost non existent fringe group.

My money is on their money, and all that investment. Something is going to have to give at some point.

I expect another “prophet” that will override all the Smithian dogma...

27 posted on 12/29/2010 1:14:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender
aah I see... you repackage it to run it into the ground a little more.

#1 pd - 'tis nice to know that your recall was such that you at least recognized it as a previous FREEPER thread. (It's always nice to know Lds are reading these threads)

(2) I didn't write this article (not sure what you mean by "repackage" it)

(3) The Lds church thought this message was so important to get out -- it circulated it worldwide. (Why would you then imply that FREEPERS would not deem it lightworthy?)

(4) Re: your "run it into the ground a little more" -- I haven't seen any grassroots Mormons defending this specific Lds hierarchical leadership position -- either on FR or elsewhere. (Have you?)

I mean, sure, grassroots Mormons sustain their leaders -- and refrain from being openly critical of them. But I haven't seen them/you specifically defending this decision.

And if this decisions begs commentary (IOW, if what the Lds leaders have done itself invites critique), then what's wrong with feedback.

Which leads to a basic Q, PD: Does the Mormon church really ever invite feedback -- & how do you go about offering it?

28 posted on 12/29/2010 1:18:54 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: ejonesie22
Motorized goal post. The benefit is that Mormons are never wrong on any argument...

LOL

29 posted on 12/29/2010 1:21:29 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

If we believe in free agency, then why is our church trying to buy a street in Manti in order to keep Christians from sharing their faith near the pageant grounds?

Signed Inquisitive Pesterer

Dear IP,

Because we can...

Signed Tommy

PS Make sure you send in your 10%. The mormon god needs it.


30 posted on 12/29/2010 1:22:58 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Graybeard58; Paragon Defender
Yes it is a bit tiresome but that very fact serves us well.

The fact that all PD can do is post his bilge over and over and offer NOTHING on his own (not that he could) speaks as much as a dozen “anti” posts.

That his empty posts and unsubstaintitated accusations are cheered by his LDS peers says even more.

All hat, zero cattle.

31 posted on 12/29/2010 1:23:40 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Mormons are Christian by the way.
_______________________________________

I dont know what that means...

But mormons are not Christians IN the Way...

Jesus said to PD, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” (The LORD Jesus Christ, The Christian Bible, John 14:6)


32 posted on 12/29/2010 1:27:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

Why does our church emphasize Gethsemane for the atonement rather than the cross?

Signed TBM in Sandy

Dear TBM

Blood is icky stuff...

and the violence is scary for children

Signed Tommy


33 posted on 12/29/2010 1:33:56 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

I need direction on the Virgin Birth. We don’t believe there was some type of physical union between Heavenly Father and Mary, do we?

Signed A member of the Twoo Church

Dear Twoo

Think about how you got here ...

Think about your parents...

The mormon god is a man like your Dad...

Signed Tommy


34 posted on 12/29/2010 1:37:07 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian; Godzilla; ejonesie22

Dear Ask Tommy,

How do I answer my Christian friends who have been showing me this DNA video saying there is no scientific connection between Native Americans and the Lamanites talked about in the Book of Mormon?

Nephi

Dear Nephi

It is good that you asked me and not Godzilla or ejonesie

Tommy


35 posted on 12/29/2010 1:40:57 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Paragon Defender

PD, you are an agent of the deceivers. How proud you must feel. You truly must be liberal.


36 posted on 12/29/2010 1:41:08 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

You barely made it before “he” arrived.
“Lucky” (Napoleon Dynamite, 2004)


37 posted on 12/29/2010 1:42:05 PM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

I’ve been shown some very difficult verses in the Bible about salvation, as my Christian friends say it’s possible to know that we are forgiven because it’s not based on my efforts. It seems to contradict the way I’ve been taught. How can I answer?

Signed Mike is Bountiful

Dear Mike

You have no friends outside the LDS

Do not listen to the Gentiles.

Tommy


38 posted on 12/29/2010 1:46:13 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; Godzilla
Proof that the BOM is true...

A photo of a Jewish Indian...

We have been wrong all along...

39 posted on 12/29/2010 1:47:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian

Dear Ask Tommy

Is it true that three of the apostles have been spiritually married in the temple to second wives for eternity?

Signed What about the Proclamation ?

Dear What

Yes Isnt it wonderful.

And three is a low estamate.

Signed Tommy


40 posted on 12/29/2010 1:48:32 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Paragon Defender

“If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern.”

Indeed. I’ve noticed that you use the same cut and paste response to criticism of the LDS as frequently as others use cut and paste to attack it.


41 posted on 12/29/2010 1:49:40 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: RexBeach
I must say, the more I learn about Mormonism, the more confusing it becomes. It seems to have a lot of moving parts.

LOL, many refer to it as trying to nail jello to the wall.

42 posted on 12/29/2010 1:49:54 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender
Maybe you can get Temple Recommend holding Reid to legislate away the first amendment.

Until then, we'll meet you every time.

Calling us hateful for exposing embarassing LDS Doctrinal secrets is bearing false witness against your neighbors.

Eph 5:10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
Eph 5:12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
Eph 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

43 posted on 12/29/2010 1:53:29 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: Colofornian; Godzilla; ejonesie22

Dear Ask Tommy

there must be archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon story, but I’m being told there’s none. Can you please direct me to these artifacts?

Wondering in Salt Lake

Dear Wondering

Youve been talking to Godzilla and ejonesie havent you ?

When is your next temple recommend interview ?

Tommy


44 posted on 12/29/2010 1:54:31 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Paragon Defender; All
Seekers of truth -

may wonder - "doesn't this guy have an original thought?" Spamalot fails to even address the issues raised by the mormon prophet and seer's inability to access 'god' for these answers. But then the mormon 'god' is a very fickle 'god', changing his eternal laws whenever public policy or law start to put a strangle hold on the lds corporation.

One of the lds most prized boasts is that they have A LIVING PROPHET, well, it appears that the prophet doesn't want to be bothered with making a living as one. Go figure


45 posted on 12/29/2010 1:54:33 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22

Speechless -


46 posted on 12/29/2010 1:56:23 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Colofornian

Dear Tommy

Is it true that Joseph Smith was married to some 34 different women at the same time, 11 of whom were already married to other men and 11 who were teenagers?

Signed Astonished

Dear Astonished

Someone has lied to you.

It wasnt all at the same time.

Sometimes Joseph waited a whole week between women.

Tommy


47 posted on 12/29/2010 1:57:55 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ejonesie22

LOL


48 posted on 12/29/2010 1:58:40 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SgtHooper
He'll deny being liberal here, then vote for Reid and Romney the first chance he gets.

Reid pulled a last second ad telling mormons that Angle had called the LDS church a cult, and because Nevada has a large LDS/FLDS/RLDS/ABCLDS/XYZLDS/AFULDS population they swung for him at the last second, putting their cult ahead of stopping Reid's marxism.

Next election they'll be pushing for Romney non-stop.

49 posted on 12/29/2010 2:03:00 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: Paragon Defender

I’ve never really understood why the LDS church keeps saying “We’re Christians, too”. They should be saying loudly “We are Not anything at all like the Christians of today. We are the restored Church. Come to us for the true church. All others are abominations to God”.
People would have a lot more respect if they just came out and said what they believe rather than try to blend in with everyone else.


50 posted on 12/29/2010 2:16:57 PM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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