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Copyright saved the Book of Mormon
Deseret News ^ | Dec. 21, 2010 | Michael De Groote

Posted on 12/31/2010 8:52:23 AM PST by Colofornian

PROVO — In 1840, it was a race against time.

The first one to print a copy of the Mormons' new scripture and register it at Stationer's Hall in London would control printing rights in all of Great Britain, meaning that whoever held the copyright to the Book of Mormon had the right to present it however they wanted to. They could print as many or as few as they wished. The copyright holder could also change the text at will, and the Mormons could do nothing to stop them.

From the archive

* Utah publisher sued for copyright infringement – Aug. 4, 2010

* Liverpool was ground zero for Mormon publishing – March 26, 2010

* Tips for living: Getting a copyright – March 18, 2010

* Germans may print 'Mein Kampf' – Feb. 7, 2010

The first American edition of the Book of Mormon was published in 1830, followed by another edition published in Kirtland, Ohio in 1837. But an American-printed edition could not get British copyright protection.

Edward L. Carter, an associate professor of communication at BYU, spoke at the Mormon Media Studies Symposium at BYU recently about the significance of the 1841 British copyright of the Book of Mormon. The danger of copyright infringement was not hypothetical to the fledgling LDS Church. The first excerpts of the Book of Mormon in the United States were published by church enemy, and only threats of legal action backed up by U.S. copyright law stopped any further use.

A recently found document...about copyright protection for the Book of Mormon. In what he considered a revelation from God, Joseph Smith was commanded to "be diligent in securing the copyright of my work upon all the face of the earth of which is known by you ..."

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: bigotfreerepublic; bigotry; bookofmormon; frbigots; inman; josephsmith; lds; mormon
From the article: In what he considered a revelation from God, Joseph Smith was commanded to "be diligent in securing the copyright of my work upon all the face of the earth of which is known by you .."

Hmmm...Now why doesn't the Bible have all these copyright prophecies in it as well -- perhaps one per prophet???

Well, as another year goes into the history bin, time to reflect on both 2010 -- some of the Freeper Lds threads that focused on calendars of the past:
* Great Moments in Mormon History [644 replies]
* A different take on the Carthage mob -- BYU Studies Symposium
* Setting the record straight on the 'Hawn's' Mill Massacre
* Early alcalde arrested by troops [Mormon history tidbit]
* Mormon Handcart Tragedy

Polygamous History:
* Text Of The Nauvoo Expositor That Got Joe And Hyrum Killed
* Unparralled Outrage at Nauvoo (Mormon - OPEN) [Yes, indeed, destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor -- due to its content exposing Joseph Smith as a polygamist -- is actually all wound up in "Polygamous History"]
* An Open Letter to the Vancouver Sun [see Zakeet's post #9]

By all means, add threads I've overlooked.

1 posted on 12/31/2010 8:52:28 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

IBPD spam


2 posted on 12/31/2010 9:05:28 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Colofornian

And who has copyrights to the bible???

Funny we never hear anything about that...

nor about any charges of copyright infringement by the BOM author(s) from the bible.

I wonder what would happen if a coalition of bible publishers sued the current copyright holders of the bom for copyright infringement?


3 posted on 12/31/2010 9:07:25 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: All; Graybeard58
Under the category of "Polygamous history," I missed this 570-reply thread: Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?
4 posted on 12/31/2010 9:13:12 AM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Colofornian

IBPD!!!


5 posted on 12/31/2010 9:21:18 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Colofornian

Thank you. I had no idea that the Book of Mormon was subject to copyright the same way that Scientology has copyrighted their ‘sacred’ texts.


6 posted on 12/31/2010 9:22:53 AM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: Colofornian

Here’s the book I like:

Publisher - Public Domain

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible/


7 posted on 12/31/2010 9:23:20 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Colofornian

IB4PD!


8 posted on 12/31/2010 9:37:48 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Colofornian

The different modern Bible translations CERTAINLY are copyrighted.

Most of this is for financial reasons...

The new ESV version irks me, as do almost all of the newer translations, only because there is so much money spent in the English-language world on Bible translation into English, where the various agencies translating for unreached people groups sorely need funding.

At the most, there should have been / could have been THREE modern English translations after the King James:

(1) A word-for-word (i.e the NASB) from the “best-possible” agglomerate manuscript.

(2) A word-for-word (i.e. the NKJV) from the “best-possible” Textus Receptus manuscript.

(3) A dynamic equivalent (i.e the NIV) from the “best-possible” agglomerate manuscript.

No more than these three translations.

Anything more is re-arranging the furniture, IMHO.

P.S. “The Message” should be burned at the stake. -— IMHO.


9 posted on 12/31/2010 9:45:56 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Safrguns

**And who has copyrights to the bible???**

These rights are held by the publishers of the various new translations..

In England the rights are invested in the CROWN (CUM PRIVELEGO).

In America there is no copyright on the KJV unless you change the type of print, font, or add notes.

This is why some cults often use the KJV as it has no copyright.


10 posted on 12/31/2010 9:46:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Sorry, new here. What does that mean?


11 posted on 12/31/2010 10:00:22 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer And A Painter Can Change Black To White)
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To: Colofornian

“The copyright holder could also change the text at will, and the Mormons could do nothing to stop them.”

Funny, very funny.


12 posted on 12/31/2010 10:00:47 AM PST by mewykwistmas
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To: ReverendJames; Paragon Defender

There is a spammer here who is always posting Pro-Mormon web sites. If we hit the thread before him we all post “In before Paragon Defender (IB4PD).


13 posted on 12/31/2010 10:24:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
There is a spammer here who is always posting Pro-Mormon web sites.

So posting a near-daily anti-Mormon thread isn't spamming, but responding to it is?

14 posted on 12/31/2010 10:51:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Colofornian
A recently found document...about copyright protection for the Book of Mormon. In what he considered a revelation from God, Joseph Smith was commanded to "be diligent in securing the copyright of my work upon all the face of the earth of which is known by you ..."

Yet that same mormon 'god' ordered smith to sell the copyright in canada - then changed his/her mind and they came up empty handed.

15 posted on 12/31/2010 11:17:48 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: dirtboy; Paragon Defender
There is a spammer here who is always posting Pro-Mormon web sites. So posting a near-daily anti-Mormon thread isn't spamming, but responding to it is?

Paragon Defender does NOT respond to the issues posted. That is the difference. What PD does is cut and pastes the exact same text including a list of Mormon apologetic websites. He never actually participates in the dialogue. THAT is spam in it's perfect definition. Posting a thread open to discussion (note another interesting phenomenom;that being that most pro-Mormon threads posted are listed under "LDS Caucus" which by FreeRepublic rules disallow any opposing dialogue)is NOT spam, but rather an idea open to honest intelligent discussion.
16 posted on 12/31/2010 11:31:14 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: Colofornian

IB4PD


17 posted on 12/31/2010 11:56:49 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Safrguns
The KJV is in the public domain. While one or more of the Mormon books (BoM, D&C, and PoGP) copied from it word for word in large sections, I don't believe it's a violation of copyright law.

Some KJV-only advocates point out that the KJV is not copyright protected and use that as evidence of it's superiority, since the newer translations are protected. Unfortunately for them, it's only evidence for its age. The KJV was originally property of the crown of England and was protected.

While God's word can't be copyrighted, if He didn't dictate directly to you or if you can't get a copy directly from Moses, the prophets, and the NT writers, and if you can't read Hebrew, Aramaic, or Koine Greek, then you are going to need have to use the services of translators. The copyright system is the method we use to ensure the translators are paid for their work.

18 posted on 12/31/2010 12:12:09 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Gil4

In Before the PD Spammer (IBPDS!)


19 posted on 12/31/2010 12:47:33 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Colofornian
The copyright holder could also change the text at will, and the Mormons could do nothing to stop them.

Well... THIS is nothing new!


HOW many DOCUMENTED changes to the BoM have there been?

20 posted on 12/31/2010 1:14:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

HA ha!

Guess which ORGANIZATION has the copyright to the infamous Joseph Smith Translation of the KJV of the BIBLE?

Guess why the BIG LDS bunch, bunkered down in Salt Lake City, does NOT consider that the JST is, indeed, SCRIPTURE?


21 posted on 12/31/2010 1:16:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dirtboy
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22 posted on 12/31/2010 1:19:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks!


23 posted on 12/31/2010 1:19:46 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer And A Painter Can Change Black To White)
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


24 posted on 12/31/2010 1:58:41 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

Oh shucks, I didn’t get IB4PDS.


25 posted on 12/31/2010 2:00:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Only because he was so slow - it took him over 5 hours today.


26 posted on 12/31/2010 2:55:38 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Paragon Defender

“I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.”

Why is your [mormon] Jesus Christ created?
Why is your [mormon] Jesus Christ a polygamist?
Why does your [mormon] Jesus Christ require worthiness?
Why did your [mormon] Jesus Christ accomplish atonement through sweat instead of blood?
Why is your [mormon] Jesus Christ one of millions or billions of gods?
Why is your [mormon] Jesus Christ not Omnipotent?

ampu


27 posted on 12/31/2010 3:05:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

With 2010 in the rear view mirror, it might be wise to
reflect on how short our lives are.

Eventually, we will all be extinct - just as the worthy
and ancient Mormonic Curelom has disappeared from the face of the earth!

[Cue the music]

As dawn breaks over mesoAmerica, the trumpeting screams of the hairy curelom fiercely echo over the surrounding cites.

Iron-workers interrupt their production of vast metal works, cities that stretched from sea to shining sea hush in anticipation of another wonderful day in mormon-land.

Just last week, the mormon Jesus had visited to let native Americans know they were really Jews! What a wonderful time to be alive!!!

Flash forward.

America today: If a native American Curelom was watching, he would have a tear in his eye...

All original cities, vanished, leaving nothing behind - not even a cigar butt!

Not even a single foundation of a single iron-worker’s furnace remains.

Not even a single metal work produced here.

And, as it turns out, Cureloms didn’t have bones. Apparently, Cureloms had the structure of jellyfish and today, no evidence remains of their once proud reign!

Only the savage cry of the curelom remains in the brains of mormons who “just believe”, despite any physical evidence.

Only the ring of the ancient iron-workers hammer echos in the minds of mormons who “just believe”, despite the amazing disappearance of millions of metal works.

Only the cheerful laughter remains in the minds of mormons, who insist millions of people lived in cities across America - because Joseph Smith said so!

As it turns out, they too, had the structure of jellyfish.

No bones.
No metalworks.
No cities.
No Cureloms.

A tear wells up in the corner of the imaginary Mormonic Curelom, envisioned within the brain of mormons today.

And the Jewish Indians?

Gone. Replaced with imposters (!) who no longer carry Jewish DNA.

Ah, but the piercing cry of the Curelom remains!!!

They will testify! Oh, how mormons will testify of the Curelom. Joe said!!!

ampu

:-)


28 posted on 12/31/2010 3:34:45 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Paragon Defender
 "I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment--until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors." (from What is Man?)

-- Mark Twain

 


29 posted on 01/01/2011 8:44:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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