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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

By Elder Dennis B. Neuenschwander Of the Seventy

 

 

 

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22

Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.

 

 

 

In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was “called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ” (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christ’s being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. “Ye shall be witnesses unto me” (Acts 1:8) was Jesus’s instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered “out of every nation” (Acts 2:5) that “this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses” (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus “was seen of me also” (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christ’s being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.

The second pillar is centered on the Savior’s redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord “give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43).

Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles “alive after his passion … being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3).

How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is “Perfectly.”

The First Vision

Joseph Smith’s apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue one’s opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing “war of words and tumult of opinions” (Joseph Smith—History 1:10). But Joseph’s questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christ—an experience referred to as the First Vision.

Like that of the original Apostles, Joseph’s experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Joseph’s vision was at first an intensely personal experience—an answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.

As apostolic as this manifestation of Christ’s being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Joseph’s first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christ’s absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, “Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction” (Joseph Smith—History 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.

“At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction … , I saw a pillar of light. …

“It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Joseph Smith’s confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw God’s greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)

The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing God’s glory, Moses said, “Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed” (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.

This lesson was critical in Joseph’s apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.

The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their power—each a pillar of apostolic testimony.

The Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith’s early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous “plain and most precious” (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.

Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Savior’s divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.

The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christ’s Atonement. The Savior’s holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of God’s creations—past, present, and future. What an impression Jacob’s teaching of the “infinite atonement” (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.

The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.

During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: “Oh, my God! … All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?”3

For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:

“The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught. …

“For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him” (D&C 3:1, 4).

These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. “Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words,” Joseph was told, “yet you should have been faithful” (D&C 3:7–8). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.

How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the “keystone of our religion”5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.

Continuing Revelation and Scripture

After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.

The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Savior’s ministry, including His role in the Creation. “The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: … I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things” (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, “And worlds without number have I created; … and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten” (Moses 1:33).

The book of Moses clarified Christ’s relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophet’s understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of God’s love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the “God of heaven … wept” (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: “I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. … Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37–39).

Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created “by the word of my power” (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing “to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that “this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time” (Moses 6:62).

The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.

Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was “in the beginning with the Father” (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He “suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent” (D&C 19:16).

My Testimony of What the Prophet Revealed

I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Savior’s ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moroni’s initial visit with Joseph, the Savior’s words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Savior’s Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.

What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:

“I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—

“Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment” (D&C 19:2–3).

Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that “the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”6

Joseph Smith’s apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophet’s own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.

 

 

 

Notes

1. See Book of Mormon Reference Companion, ed. Dennis L. Largey (2003), 457–58.

2. See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley (1958), 128–29.

3. History of Joseph Smith, 128, 129.

4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.

5. History of the Church, 4:461.

6. History of the Church, 3:30.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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To: Utah Binger

Thank you don’t mind if I do I have some sparkling Apple Juice left!


51 posted on 01/02/2011 7:24:11 PM PST by restornu (Focus on the issues not the group think stink bombs!)
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To: fuzzybutt

It seems to me to be more than just LDS, though they’re certainly posting their share of stuff.

I’m seeing lots of relgious doctrinal postings and squabbling from all quarters. Lots of Roman Catholic stuff, too. Then of course the obligatory sola scriptura versus tradition.....

I sometimes feel like I’ve wandered into Beliefnet or some type of comparative relition class. At first it was interesting, but the volume of it is really getting tedious. There’s at least one person here who posts Catholic stuff that goes for hundreds of lines. Of course it draws an argument.

No one here is going to convince anyone his way is right....why are they bothering? It’s really starting to drown out the political stuff.

Is it too much to aske people to keep their doctrine to themselves unless asked about it?

Hank


52 posted on 01/02/2011 7:25:12 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (DeMint/Christie 2012...The Y'all and the Ball!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Well, moving it from the Religion Forum to breaking news certainly won’t help you there.


53 posted on 01/02/2011 7:26:12 PM PST by Ripliancum ("For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" Merry Christmas!)
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To: fuzzybutt

I’m working on founding a crazy relgion too, some of the highlights involve ripping the living beating hearts out of marxists every other Tuesday and only allowing women and homosexuals to speak once a year on Mardi Gras.


54 posted on 01/02/2011 7:26:15 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Paragon Defender

How exactly is this Breaking News? I’m confused.


55 posted on 01/02/2011 7:26:47 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I won't quibble with you on this. You mean to insult Morons and denigrate their religion by removing the Caucus designation and moving this thread to Breaking News.

It is a low life thing to do.

56 posted on 01/02/2011 7:27:58 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ripliancum

Huh? I didn’t “move” anything. I just responded to a post.

Hank


57 posted on 01/02/2011 7:28:03 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (DeMint/Christie 2012...The Y'all and the Ball!)
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To: Bill W was a conservative

I am frankly wearying a bit of the passive aggressive LDS nonsense.


I see. How do you feel about the constant daily attacks upon the LDS faith on this board? Those ok?


58 posted on 01/02/2011 7:28:03 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Jim Robinson

What? You don’t remember the story of Mary and Joseph Smith? /s


59 posted on 01/02/2011 7:29:31 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Jim Robinson

ROTFL


60 posted on 01/02/2011 7:32:00 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If this is not breaking news of the century, I don’t know what is. Someone needs to rewrite the bible to include Apostle Joe.


61 posted on 01/02/2011 7:32:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball; Jim Robinson

Jim moved it, and changed the title.

I didn’t say you did. He’s just making his views known. That is what doesn’t help you.

Sorry for the confusion.


62 posted on 01/02/2011 7:34:06 PM PST by Ripliancum ("For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" Merry Christmas!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Jim are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints unwelcome here?


63 posted on 01/02/2011 7:35:42 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Jim Robinson; MHGinTN
If this is not breaking news of the century, I don’t know what is. Someone needs to rewrite the bible to include Apostle Joe.

Joseph Smith already rewrote the Bible - and guess what? It includes him by name. :D

http://lds.org/scriptures/jst?lang=eng

64 posted on 01/02/2011 7:36:03 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Paragon Defender

65 posted on 01/02/2011 7:36:16 PM PST by Utah Binger (Finally home to a foot of snow. A warming trend is occuring. It is 20 degrees right now.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Well, I’m sick to death of the Mormon-bashing threads too, and I’m not Mormon. Lately it seems this place is flooded with them.


66 posted on 01/02/2011 7:39:02 PM PST by truthkeeper ( God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Paragon Defender

It might be because the Mormon religion relies on deceptive missionary tactics, and because Mormon doctrines require a willing suspension of disbelief that honest men cannot maintain without swiftly turning into dishonest men.

Translation: Mormonism is a transparent sham and its painful to see what seem like good men participate in such a transparent sham.


67 posted on 01/02/2011 7:39:10 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Paragon Defender

I’ll put it this way. I don’t believe a single word written by Joseph Smith or his followers when it departs from the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible and I’m not thrilled about people coming here to preach some false gospel from the pages of Free Republic.


68 posted on 01/02/2011 7:39:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Paragon Defender

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!

POST IN RELIGION NOT BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!


69 posted on 01/02/2011 7:40:22 PM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Utah Binger

I am not a Mormon, but I do know that Mormons and Orthodox Jews have the least of divorces out of all religious denominations and have the least problems with Children and are very family oriented faiths, that help there own when ever they need it......


70 posted on 01/02/2011 7:40:43 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Rome2000

I’m curious, what would you name that religion?

After Fat Tuesday, We’ll tell?


71 posted on 01/02/2011 7:40:57 PM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I’ll put it this way. I don’t believe a single word written by Joseph Smith or his followers when it departs from the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible and I’m not thrilled about people coming here to preach some false gospel from the pages of Free Republic.

Apostate Mormon Ping!

72 posted on 01/02/2011 7:42:15 PM PST by Utah Binger (Finally home to a foot of snow. A warming trend is occuring. It is 20 degrees right now.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I just thought that Joseph Smith’s being named An Apostle of Jesus Christ would be breaking news to most Christians. Maybe I’m wrong?

It's news to me!

I thought Joseph Smith was a two timing, skirt chasing, con man with fancy pants.

73 posted on 01/02/2011 7:42:40 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Mrs.Z

Just a friendly reminder, you might want to scan through the posts before you fire off a reply.


74 posted on 01/02/2011 7:43:39 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Jim Robinson

Your tactics are disgusting and I’m outta here


76 posted on 01/02/2011 7:44:04 PM PST by PoolQue ("The best government is that which governs least.")
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To: Utah Binger; Jim Robinson
I’ll put it this way. I don’t believe a single word written by Joseph Smith or his followers when it departs from the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible and I’m not thrilled about people coming here to preach some false gospel from the pages of Free Republic.

....and an ex-Mormon BUMP!

77 posted on 01/02/2011 7:44:47 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: PoolQue

Eight ball, corner pocket.


78 posted on 01/02/2011 7:45:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints unwelcome here?

Yes, a valid question. Please reply!

79 posted on 01/02/2011 7:46:12 PM PST by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: restornu
Belief in Jesus Christ's dealings with Joseph Smith and the other leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a matter of faith.

As with all christians, our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, and His atonement for our sins, which is a free gift if we will accept it...is the key and principle issue which over-rides all others.

I would agree on this most critical tennant and join together shoulder to shoulder with all my other Christian friends of all denominations to jointly fight the pressing evils of the day that threaten our Republic and way of life.

...and avoid contention amongst ourselves which serves to weaken us in the fight for our society, and not push on the other issues where we differ in interpretation or other principles which are in the end, of less consequence than our joint, sincere belief in Jesus of Nazareth, born in Bethlehem and Savior of all mankind, the only path and gate through which any of us may return to our Father in Heaven.

80 posted on 01/02/2011 7:46:18 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TaraP

Good for you.


81 posted on 01/02/2011 7:46:18 PM PST by Utah Binger (Finally home to a foot of snow. A warming trend is occuring. It is 20 degrees right now.)
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To: dragonblustar

I don’t really know anything about Mormon Doctrine or Joseph Smith, but I do know Jesus hung out with Sinners some of the worst ones in his days....He stayed away from those Pesky Religious Hypocrites that thought they had everything purrfectly right with G-d.....


82 posted on 01/02/2011 7:46:23 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Jim Robinson

You funny!

83 posted on 01/02/2011 7:47:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: Jim Robinson

Totally off topic, but I’ve always wondered what the difference is between ‘Breaking News’ and ‘Front Page News’. There’s ‘Extended News’ also. I have no idea what keyword is best to use when posting news articles.


84 posted on 01/02/2011 7:47:33 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: night reader

They’ll have to make up their own minds about that.


85 posted on 01/02/2011 7:48:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll put it this way. I don’t believe a single word written by Joseph Smith or his followers when it departs from the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible and I’m not thrilled about people coming here to preach some false gospel from the pages of Free Republic.


I don’t believe the same as the Catholics or Wiccans or Scientologists or Baptists either but I would not censor them if the appearance of the board was that they are welcome.

Heck if someone wanted to post caucus threads about how they worship the Kool-Aid man I would let them as long as no established rules were broken that fairly applied to all.

Are only threads that hold the same views as you allowed in both political and religious sections?

If that is the case then great. Please let’s be clear and up front and open about it.


86 posted on 01/02/2011 7:48:14 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Pan_Yan

Okay, just what is YOUR definition of “Breaking News”...

something that was published in 2003 and maybe just got rereleased?


87 posted on 01/02/2011 7:49:51 PM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks Jeff. You are one of my favorite LDS posters on here. Thanks for your example.

It would seem there is a bit of the spirit of Gov. Boggs on FR tonight. I would hope that we can all stop the infighting and focus on the real struggle we are engaged in.

This is starting to get ridiculous.


88 posted on 01/02/2011 7:50:00 PM PST by Ripliancum ("For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" Merry Christmas!)
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To: Ripliancum
Why was this moved to breaking news?

So JimRob wouldn't have to say it was "B.S." while it was on the religion forum. That guy's a stickler for the rules and one doesn't use "potty language" on the religion forum.

89 posted on 01/02/2011 7:50:00 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Paragon Defender

Nope. Wiccans or Scientologists are not welcome here. Nor anyone else worshipping Kool-Aid men. Thank you very much.


90 posted on 01/02/2011 7:51:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Mrs.Z

If you read the posts you will see that the article was originally posted in the religious forum. Jim Robinson moved it to breaking news.


91 posted on 01/02/2011 7:51:36 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Paragon Defender

“I am a little confused why the title would be changed. It is straight from the source”.

“I am a little confused why location would be changed. It is of a Religious nature and is from a recognized religious group on this board.”

“I am a little confused why the designation was changed. It was a caucus thread and pinged to the caucus members”.

You sound as if you’re a little confused P.D.


92 posted on 01/02/2011 7:53:11 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Jeff Head
"Belief in Jesus Christ's dealings with Joseph Smith and the other leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a matter of faith.

As with all christians, our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, and His atonement for our sins, which is a free gift if we will accept it...is the key and principle issue which over-rides all others.

I would agree on this most critical tennant and join together shoulder to shoulder with all my other Christian friends of all denominations to jointly fight the pressing evils of the day that threaten our Republic and way of life.

...and avoid contention amongst ourselves which serves to weaken us in the fight for our society, and not push on the other issues where we differ in interpretation or other principles which are in the end, of less consequence than our joint, sincere belief in Jesus of Nazareth, born in Bethlehem and Savior of all mankind, the only path and gate through which any of us may return to our Father in Heaven."

Well said Jeff.

93 posted on 01/02/2011 7:53:26 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Paragon Defender

I am not keeping track, nor am I interested in freerepublic’s religion section. I’ve seen LDS posts before and if accompanied by “LDS caucus” I mostly ignore them.

Someone asked earlier in the thread about the frequent Catholic posts winding up in the general forum. I wouldn’t mind their being segregated either.

And as to “constant daily attacks upon the LDS faith on this board” ...well, that phrasing kind of makes my point. I don’t see any blood. It’s all pretty mild compared to what Christians go through globally. However, I am sorry that you have to go through quite a bit of insulting flak.


94 posted on 01/02/2011 7:53:57 PM PST by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: Jim Robinson

So just because someone is listed under “Denominational Topics” when you choose to create a post doesn’t mean they can post. Those designations are only for those who wish to ridicule them to choose who is the object of ridicule?


95 posted on 01/02/2011 7:55:07 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Graybeard58

I am a Christian, all I know is that I try and live by the *Greatest* two commandments Jesus left us with:

1. Love GOD with all your heart mind and soul

AND:

2. Love your neighbor as yourself...

Wether you are a Jew, Gentile, Catholic, Baptist, Mormom, Jehovah Witness..Jesus IMHO wanted us to live with those 2 greatest commandments with one another..

I suspect one day all Religious Doctrine will be sorted out by the King of Kings himself that everyone will finally understand....:)


96 posted on 01/02/2011 7:55:24 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: cherry

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22
___________________________________________

January 2009

only 14 months ago...

WOW

This IS Breaking News...


97 posted on 01/02/2011 7:55:48 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you Jeff one of the hardest lesson and to be patience with those who rail against you.

This should be a good year to learn that.

I have become upset with some of and one in particular of the anti to the point that was unbecoming of me.

I am so thankful this is out in the open I have known this for a long time by slight innuendos along the way now I feel free at last that I was not imagining this stuff.

This could be a blessing in disguised


98 posted on 01/02/2011 7:56:15 PM PST by restornu (Focus on the issues not the group think stink bombs!)
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To: Paragon Defender; Jim Robinson

I am LDS (card carrying so to speak) and have never felt unwelcome here. I simply refuse to partipate in bashing others, or participating in arguements over faith.

I bear my estimony of Jesus Christ and Him crucified, which should unite most of us irrespective of denomibantion and try and join with others to fight the pressing evils of the day that seek to destroy our very way of life.

I proudly join with Jim in that fight, despite the fact that he does not share or believe the other tennants of my faith. if we can agree on Jesus Christ and Him crucified and our utter dependence on His grace and atonement, then we can fight the evil of the day together and I roprefer to do that rather than endlessly argue points of less importance.

Belief in Jesus Christ’s dealings with Joseph Smith and the other leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a matter of faith.

As with all christians, our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, and His atonement for our sins, which is a free gift if we will accept it...is the key and principle issue which over-rides all others.

I would agree on this most critical tennant and join together shoulder to shoulder with all my other Christian friends of all denominations to jointly fight the pressing evils of the day that threaten our Republic and way of life.

...and avoid contention amongst ourselves which serves to weaken us in the fight for our society, and not push on the other issues where we differ in interpretation or other principles which are in the end, of less consequence than our joint, sincere belief in Jesus of Nazareth, born in Bethlehem and Savior of all mankind, the only path and gate through which any of us may return to our Father in Heaven.


99 posted on 01/02/2011 7:56:15 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: cherry

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22
___________________________________________

January 2009

only TWO YEARS ago

WOW

This IS Breaking News...


100 posted on 01/02/2011 7:56:31 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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