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Tower of Babelís Ruins Waiting for Archaeologists (Dispensational Caucus)
Israel National News ^ | January 3, 2011 | Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Posted on 01/04/2011 2:51:24 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

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Following years of devastation under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein and the ensuing American invasion of Iraq, World Monuments Fund conservationist Jeff Allen told The New York Times this week that archeologists are beginning to work on ancient Babylonian sites and possibly restore some of them.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: babel; babylon; dispensational; dispensationalism; godsgravesglyphs; towerofbabel
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Looks like the restoration of the Tribulation city of Babylon is underway.
1 posted on 01/04/2011 2:51:25 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Deo confidimus; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/04/2011 2:52:56 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

One can hope. ;-)


3 posted on 01/04/2011 2:53:53 PM PST by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

>>Looks like the restoration of the Tribulation city of Babylon is underway<<

Saddam himself started that. He intended it to be a palace but now they want to make it a tourist center and center of trade. Hmmm.


4 posted on 01/04/2011 2:56:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The confirmation of the covenant is the main (next) item on the prophetic timetable.

Good post, though, it fits...


5 posted on 01/04/2011 2:58:22 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

No pictures, come on guys?


6 posted on 01/04/2011 2:59:30 PM PST by STD (Obama is a cold-hearted, cold-blooded Marxist on a rush mission to take down America.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

No pictures, come on guys?


7 posted on 01/04/2011 2:59:30 PM PST by STD (Obama is a cold-hearted, cold-blooded Marxist on a rush mission to take down America.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

No pictures, come on guys?


8 posted on 01/04/2011 2:59:41 PM PST by STD (Obama is a cold-hearted, cold-blooded Marxist on a rush mission to take down America.)
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To: fishtank

I read last week that Israel would be happy with an “interim” peace deal....


9 posted on 01/04/2011 3:00:46 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

If this appears as a little red X, you can probably guess what it was.

10 posted on 01/04/2011 3:04:46 PM PST by firebrand
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I have a sincere question, since the parenthetical along with the title notes that this is a Dispensational Caucus.

I think it is a simple one, and because it is simple, it might come across as ignorant. So I apologize if that is the case.

But here is is anyway. For Dispensationalism in 2010, is the Scofield Study Bible a relevant and/or authoritative resource?

Or has Dispensationalism gone beyond that?

Please respond in a charitable way, as this is a sincere inquiry. My experience at FR is that any discussion along these lines tends to get nasty very quickly and that is not the intent of my question. I would like to get a good feel for a good “all in” resource to understand Dispensationalism today, if such a resource even exists (most schools of thought are pretty diverse, so I would sort of expect that to be the same today with regards to Dispensationalism).

Thanks....


11 posted on 01/04/2011 3:10:28 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

The last time J. Vernon McGee had a chance to say anything about the Scofield Bible, he endorsed it.

I don’t pretend to understand all of Bible prophecy, but the classic sources are still quite valuable.

i.e. Scofield, Chafer, Darby, ... at least for me.


12 posted on 01/04/2011 3:13:51 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

THX THX.


13 posted on 01/04/2011 3:18:58 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ConservativeDude
Well, your question appears to be sincere and without the contempt and arrogance that we usually run into so you don't have to worry about any "nastiness" here today :). That's part of the reason for designating a thread a "caucus" - so that those who belong to the caucus can have a civilized discussion without the thread being poisoned.

For Dispensationalism in 2010, is the Scofield Study Bible a relevant and/or authoritative resource?

I personally have never read the Scofield Study Bible so I really can't speak with any knowledge about it.

Or has Dispensationalism gone beyond that?

Here is an excellent, succinct description of dispensationalism:

"What is dispensationalism and is it Biblical?"

Dispensationalism is a system of theology that has two primary distinctives. 1) A consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy. 2) A distinction between Israel and the church in God's program.

Dispensationalists claim that their principle of hermeneutics is that of literal interpretation, which means giving each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Symbols, figures of speech and types are all interpreted plainly in this method, and this is in no way contrary to literal interpretation. Even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them.

There are at least three reasons why this is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself seems to require that we interpret it literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate with man. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus' birth, Jesus' ministry, Jesus' death, and Jesus' resurrection all occurred exactly and literally as the Old Testament predicted. There is no non-literal fulfillment of these prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each and every person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me...” instead of “the Bible says...” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called biblical interpretation today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by faith—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the church. They believe that the promises God made to Israel (for land, many descendants, and blessings) in the Old Testament will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation chapter 20. Dispensationalists believe that just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (Romans 9-11).

Using this system as a basis, dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1–3:7), conscience (Genesis 3:8–8:22), human government (Genesis 9:1–11:32), promise (Genesis 12:1–Exodus 19:25), law (Exodus 20:1–Acts 2:4), grace (Acts 2:4–Revelation 20:3), and the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a clear distinction between Israel and the church, and organizes the Bible into the different dispensations it presents.

As far as the dispensational interpretation of eschatology, dispensationalists read the prophetic Scriptures as literal events that have never happened in the history of the world and will happen at some point in the future.

We see the re-birth of Israel as the "super-sign" - the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies that jump-started the ticking of God's prophetic time clock. Since then, we have watched over the years as end-time prophecies spoken of in Scripture have literally come to pass such as the formation of a global government, the ability to number and track every person in the world, the development of the Russian/Islamic alliance, the alignment of all the nations of the world against Israel, the marked increase in natural disasters, earthquakes in diverse places, and, in general, weird weather - all of these occurrences are prophesied in Scripture to happen shortly before the return of Jesus Christ.

Does this help at all?

14 posted on 01/04/2011 3:36:47 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Babylon died off when the Euphrates River moved away and the harbors silted in. It was rebuilt as Baghdad on the much more stable Tigris. That city was destroyed when the Arabs were inhospitable to the emissaries of the Great Khan (of the Mongols). Actually, they murdered them and chopped up their bodies and sent them back to the Mongols as a sign of disrespect. The Mongols then came and destroyed Baghdad and killed all the people (estimates are upwards of 800,000 deaths in that act).

Eventually after several hundred years of slavery under their new Turkish masters the Arabs were allowed to rebuild their town.

Oil was discovered. The Arabs in Baghdad got immensely rich. They blew it all in all sorts of acts of stupidity. And ended up in a nearly self-destructive war with Iran, and were conquered and rehabilitated by the Americans.

They are as inhospitable and insulting to foreigners today as they were back when the Mongols came to trade.

They could have had a nice country, a great city, and immense wealth but they've repeatedly chosen to be boorish and rude.

Civilization was invented in the region.

15 posted on 01/04/2011 3:43:03 PM PST by muawiyah (Hey,)
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


16 posted on 01/04/2011 3:46:49 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

http://kenraggio.com/Daniel-Four-Beasts-17-EU-Parliament-Tower-Babel.jpg


17 posted on 01/04/2011 3:52:16 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Thanks for the ping. I really enjoy reading about this.
18 posted on 01/04/2011 5:19:03 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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i.e. Scofield, Chafer, Darby, ... at least for me.

I'm assuming the King James is good as well.

19 posted on 01/04/2011 5:22:02 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights; GiovannaNicoletta; ConservativeDude; fishtank

I’ve been studying some of the earliest Church Fathers. Did you know that all that I have been able to find writing of were dispensationalists? I kid you not. Irenaeus wrote at length in his Against Heresy books about the future Anti Christ, seven year Tribulation period, the thousand year reign and even the world after Armageddon. He actually talks about John having written Revelation during Domition’s reign which was from 81AD to 96AD which is well after 70AD when preterists etc claim all prophecy was fulfilled. It’s a fascinating read.

I was reading book five of Irenaeus today. It can be found online here.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.vii.i.html


20 posted on 01/04/2011 6:40:14 PM PST by CynicalBear
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