Miracle approved for beatification of John Paul II

Rome Reports ^ | 1/4/2011

[markomalley]

January 4, 2011. The beatification of John Paul II appears to be quickly approaching. According to the Vatican, during the last weeks of 2010, doctors and theologians from the Congregation for the Causes of Saints gathered in the strictest of secrecy, to finally approve the miracle that will take the “Venerable” John Paul II to the altars.

It was the instant and unexplainable healing of a French nun, Marie Simon-Pierre, who suffered from advanced Parkinson's. The disease forced her to retire from her duties as a nurse in the maternity hospital of Arles, France. In June 2005, after praying to John Paul II for an improvement in her disease, the Parkinson's totally disappeared.

Now the miracle just needs to be ratified by the cardinals and bishops of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and then signed by Benedict XVI, which is expected to take place this January.

Then, the eventual beatification of John Paul II will be only a matter of time, and should take place in May or October of this year, which will bring millions of people together in celebration.

[CynicalBear]

Honor and worship are two different things FRiend. Mary herself said that Jesus was her Savior as well as He is yours and mine. Had she been sinless as today’s Catholic Church claims she would have been the only one other then Jesus. A fact that important would surely have been clearly written about by the Apostles as was Jesus sinless nature. To claim a sinless Mary is to denigrate the importance of Jesus sinless nature as the only true pure sacrifice for our sins. The Church didn’t officially proclaim that she ascended bodily into heaven until 1950 a fact that belies the importance to earlier Churches.

[Orbiter]

I italicized the word "to" to make my point clear. Sorry you missed it. And, yes, I have asked people to pray for me (to God through His son). The Hail Mary is an example of praying to a forgiven sinner asking they intercede to the Father on our behalf. That's Christ's job. My argument stands.

[P8riot]

LOL!

[blackpacific]

Honor and worship are inexact terms, which is what most who hide behind walls of ignorance like to use. Try dulia, hyperdulia, and latria. This has been covered so many times, .. the rains came, and the winds blew, but the walls of ignorance stood ...

Jesus Christ, conceived without sin. True God and true man.

Mary Ever Virgin, conceived without sin, the perfect human, she never sinned. Rather than “denigrate”, maybe she glorified God by her perfect response to the saving Grace of our Redemption, won for us by her Son on the cross?

John the Baptist, conceived in sin, but confirmed in grace and actually sinless after being sanctified by Jesus Christ while in the womb, at the sound of Mary’s words to her cousin Elizabeth. The last and greatest of the prophets.

Adam, conceived without sin, then he blew it.

Eve, conceived without sin, then, well... you get it?

We are talking about 5 singularities amidst billions of humans. As the Psalmist says, “I said in my excess: Every man is a liar.” What David is telling us, is that what he is saying is generally true, that it is a very slight exaggeration (in my excess) to say all men are liars, because you can count on the fingers of one hand the total number of humans who were sinless. I don’t think this is a hard concept to grasp, unless one is a Selfish Giant, afraid to knock down the walls of ignorance to let the full light of revealed Truth shine in.

“Lift up your gates, O ye princes, and be ye lifted up, O eternal gates: and the King of Glory shall enter in.”

[magritte]

I prayed to Odin that the local quick stop would not be out of those doughnuts with the sprinkles this morning and lo and behold, they still had a few. Later, I prayed to the Pope for intercession that traffic would be light on the way to work, but I got stuck in a jam for 15 minutes.

Odin 1 - Pope 0.

[maryz]

To claim a sinless Mary is to denigrate the importance of Jesus sinless nature

To claim that it is Jesus' sinlessness that is of primary importance is to miss -- or simply deny -- that the important thing is His Divinity! Mary was preserved from the stain of Original Sin (and from sin) as she was ordained from all Eternity to be the Mother of God's Divine Son.

[maryz]

However, if a hundred other people prayed to the Pope for healing and all died regardless

We all die. The qualification for being defined as a miraculous healing is that a board of doctors must conclude that there is no way known to medical science that that particular healing could have happened.

[maryz]

Yes, and if you were a Cuban schoolchild, you would be told to pray to God for candy and — lo! — no candy. Then you would be told to pray to Castro for candy — and when you opened your eyes, there’d be a piece of candy on your desk!

[netmilsmom]

>>That was a direct link to a Catholic website which printed the exact words of the prayer. It’s not hard to read who he was praying to.<<

It’s not what you SEE but rather the intent of the prayer.
Until you can post a dogma stating what you say this prayer says, it is unreasonable to state that a Pope would go against Catholic dogma.

You are assuming intent.

[WXRGina]

There are plenty of groups the use and misinterpret the Bible to “support” unbiblical ideas.

I see quite a bit of misinformation here, and in general, from Catholicism. One guy comes up with a hundred scriptures trying to distort the meaning of the mediator between God and man. The Word of God does say there is ONE and only ONE Mediator between God and man—the Lord Jesus Christ. We are told to pray without ceasing, but nowhere are we told to pray to anyone other than God-nowhere. And in the New Testament, we now pray to God through the name of Jesus.

[CynicalBear]

>> Honor and worship are inexact terms, which is what most who hide behind walls of ignorance like to use.<<

We worship deity. The Catholic Church has deified Mary beyond just honor. Let’s look at an example.

St. Alphonsus De Liguori [1696-1787] who was canonized a Saint in 1839 and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX on July 7th, 1871. What follows are excerpts from the Dignity and Duties of the Priest, which was written as an instructional guide especially for the clergy of the Catholic Church.

DEVOTION TO THE MOST HOLY MARY

Let us, first, consider the moral necessity of the intercession of Mary for priests; and secondly, the confidence which they ought to have in the prayers of this divine Mother. [pg. 414]

As to her power. Cosmas of Jerusalem has called the intercession of our Queen not only powerful, but omnipotent. And Richard of St. Laurence has written: " From the omnipotent Son the Mother was made omnipotent." The Son is omnipotent by nature, the Mother of grace, inasmuch as she obtains from God whatsoever she asks. ...

Let us always have recourse to this divine Mother, who knows not how to let any one who invokes her aid depart without consolation, says Blosius. ... [pg. 419]

St. Louis-Marie Grignion De Montfort

Inasmuch as grace perfects nature, and glory perfects grace, it is certain that Our Lord is still, in Heaven, as much the Son of Mary as He was on earth; and that, consequently, He has retained the obedience and submission of the most perfect Child toward the best of all mothers. But we must take great pains not to conceive this dependence as any abasement or imperfection in Jesus Christ. For Mary is infinitely below her Son, who is God, and therefore she does not command Him as a mother here below would command her child who is below her. Mary, being altogether transformed into God by grace and by the glory which transforms all the saints into Him, asks nothing, wishes nothing, does nothing contrary to the eternal and immutable will of God. When we read that in the writings of Sts. Bernard, Bernardine, Bonaventure and others that in Heaven and on earth everything, even DAILY, DAILY, SING TO MARY

1. Daily, daily sing to Mary
Sing, my soul, her praises due;
All her feasts, her actions worship,
With the heart's devotion true.
Lost in wond'ring contemplation,
Be her Majesty confess'd;
Call her Mother, call her Virgin, 2. She is mighty to deliver;
Call her, trust her lovingly;
When the tempest rages round thee,
She will calm the troubled sea.>br> Gifts of heaven she has given,
Noble Lady, to our race;
She the Queen who decks her subject,
With the light of God's own grace. ...
Source: A Catechism of Christian Doctrine (No. 1),

The quotes say divine (of or pertaining to a god, esp. the Supreme Being.) or deity, the song says worship, not honor.

[CynicalBear]

>>You are assuming intent.<<

Reading intent? See post 51

[MeganC]

Thank you for the list.

[what's up]

Thanks for post #25. Very telling.

A couple of phrases strike me as particularly problematic there. "Conqueress of evil of death"...that sentiment should be reserved for Christ who conquered evil when He died on the cross. Mary did no such thing.

Also, the phrase "convert the wicked" smacks of heresy. Conversion is done by the Triune God. This prayer goes far beyond what Catholics claim they do which is simply ask Mary to pray for them.

[CynicalBear]

There are so many more examples I could have posted. I too saw the blasphemy. I believe the Catholic Church of today has drifted far from the early Church of Irenaeus et el.

[what's up]

Do you have a link to any of your other examples?

I just read that the the "feast of Mary's anunciation" is a "holy day of obligation"! In other words, if they don't actively observe and participate in the false doctrine of Mary being assumed into Heaven they are disobedient to the church and its "truth".

Yes, the Catholics have strayed in many respects.

[Revolting cat!]

I prayed for one miracle, but the message must have gotten garbled on the way up there (the city is performing roadwork in front of my house), because this morning I received another: an invitation to a market study group, $400 for two days of expressing my uninformed opinions.

[magritte]

I do that for free on FR all the time...good work if you can get it !

[fatima]

Do a novena.God always answer’s my novenas.I just don’t like the answers:)

[Tax-chick]

My goodness, what a lot of fuss and fluster.

I think this is terrific news. Unqualified Yippee! I believe I’ll text Der Prinz and ask him to pick up a bottle of wine on the way home ... or just scurry off to the Harris Teeter myself. Maybe they’ve still got the New Year’s champagne discounted. (They have much nicer eggplants than Walmart, anyway.)