Skip to comments.Flood of Noah, Earthquakes
Posted on 01/06/2011 5:21:27 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
CalvaryChurchPO | September 17, 2010 | 0 likes, 0 dislikes
Pastor Kevin Lea presents Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory, examines the Genesis account of the flood and answers the questions: Where did the water comefrom? Where did it go? Where did the comets come from? ...and many other important questions.
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The first 6-part video presentation entitled "Flood of Noah" (narrated by Pastor Kevin Lea at Calvary Churh of Port Orchard) each segment is just under 10 minutes.
The second 7-part video presentation entitled "Earthquakes" (also narrated by Pastor Kevin Lea at Calvary Churh of Port Orchard) each segment is just under 10 minutes.
More scientific evidence that demands and explanation. And gets a very graphic and detailed explanation by Dr. Walt Brown Ph.D. from M.I.T. with his hydroplate theory (first edition of this incredible and amazing book 1980) To this day his book of scientific evidence has been largely ignored and discarded by the modern day scientific community due to simple prejudicial thinking for going upstream on evolution.
Fllods are hugh and series!
Fllods are really bad news.
There`s a flood in my cellar!
Is that Fllod or Floyd?
Thanks for correcting the title.
So why is crack pot science in the Religion Forum? It doesn’t belong here anymore than “Pyramids built by space aliens”, out of place artifacts, or theories that American Indians are the lost tribe of Israel.
Well, I followed your link and came to the conclusion that Noah’s flood was caused by a guy front flipping off a roof, a motorcycle burning out, and standing cat.
This is hugh and series.
It is based on the creation story account in Genesis and the Global Flood described in chapter 7.
However, regarding the disdain you have already shown in your very 1st post, I am hesitant to answer any of your future posts.
The waters of the flood most likely amounted to the oceans of Mars getting dumped onto this planet.
Ah yes, the infamous second great commission of Christ.. Go ye to the world and preach the gospel only to people who are nice to you and give you warm fuzzy feelings.
Pre-flood Earth would have had mountains no more than 1 mile high with subterranean waters that burst forth from under 10 mile thick granite ~ the fountains of the great deep as stated in the Bible.
From both a mathematical and statistical perspective this theory ‘holds more water’ than waters transported from Mars or anywhere else outside of the Earth.
Dr. Russell Humphrey described the creation event as a 1 light-year wide ball of water in “Starlight and Time” while the Bible says God brooded or hovered over great waters.
Let’s just say from past experience it becomes obvious which posters are more willing to carry on a productive conversation.
Are you familiar with the 46,000 mile long mid-oceanic ridge ~ a long mountain range that circumnavigates the globe with the majority of it found in the great depths of the oceans?
“Pre-flood Earth would have had mountains no more than 1 mile high with subterranean waters that burst forth from under 10 mile thick granite ~ the fountains of the great deep as stated in the Bible.”
Show me where in the Holy Bible where it says the mountains were <1 mile high and the granite was 10 miles thick. Why do some people feel the need to embellish on what is stated in the Bible?
IF, as these theories state, that there was a global flood in the way some believe the transition of the Bible states, and it was caused by a upheaval so great to cause, in under 40 days, the formation of our mountains and deep ocean trenches, and even split the contents as some speculate, what would the thermal signature look like for all that tectonic action?
The energy involved would be beyond the scale and the heat generated would have to be so great that you wouldn’t have a flood event but a greenhouse event on the scale of Venus.
A massive greenhouse event that isn’t found in the Bible (nor is the splitting of the continents, nor is the rising of the mountains, nor is the ridges of the oceans..) If you are going to reject what we learn from science because you believe it is un =Biblical, you probably shouldn’t do so by adding in a bunch of unBiblical ‘evidence’ to the Bible.
If, as you say, is 40 videos on what is basically two chapters in the Bible, that is adding a LOT of non-Biblical ‘evidence’.
Part of what I’m quoting ~ the majority ~ is from:
Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
also listed on my links page. It’s part f Dr. Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory. A theory which has largely been ignored by the scientific community for almost 30 years.
It is ignored by science because Brown’s theories are as non-scientific as they are non-Biblical. Much of what he professes defies the laws of physics.
Just one quick example of holes shot all in Brown’s theories.
There is much evidence for a global flood ~ just that the majority of it is mis-interpreted by those with an evolutionary bias. A vast majority of evidence is completely ignored by evolution. For instance there are ocean fossils found on all the mountaintops.
The reason the Earth was not baked by the heat has to due with water under high heat and pressure which then enters a supercritical phase stretching the Earth’s crust, ionizing the water, and supplying enough explosive force to account for asteroids, meteoroids and comets.
Over the years ruins have been unearthed. How did they get under all the dirt and where did the people go who built them. I’m convinced they were covered with sedimentary mud from the great flood.
Dr. Brown addresses all these points in his book which you apparently have not read.
A 10-mile thick granite crust could have been quite nearly impossible for mankind to drill through but it is not beyond the realm of possibilities...
Quite simply the physics account you linked to does not address all the details laid out by Dr. Brown. Sure it is incredible but much more possible and probable than eons of evolution.
one thing he clearly states is subterranean pillars to support the crust and a nearly perfect sphere with few mountain ranges no more than 1-mile high that would correspond to the location of the pillars.
from your link:
“Let’s go to physics class. As I understand your model, you have the earth constructed as follows: a solid center, a water layer, then above that, a layer of granite or basalt which ‘floats’ on the water. This is as shown below:
^ a mountain ps = 2.1 g/cc height = h
Earth’s crust (granite 2.65 g/cc, or basalt 3.3 g/cc) Thickness = T
Water (density 1.0 g/cc) Thickness = tw
Earth center (solid density > 3.3)
There are several things to notice about this situation. First, the crust must be absolutely impermeable to the water. There must be no earthquakes before the flood since the first crack in this sphere would allow the water to escape. This means that there must be no meteorites before the flood. And heaven help mankind if he ever were to have drilled into the crust for curiosity’s sake.
There must absolutely not have been any elevation differences.
You would probably appreciate the section discussing frozen mammoths. Mainly has to do with the speed and conditions required to preserve the carcass. Also some very interesting pictures of fish and tree fossils in talking points 21 thru 25 where he dubunks the age and placement of these fossils in part 1 pp 10-12.
How ‘bout the theory that the ice shelf of Antarctica slipping off and causing a massive tsunami all over the Earth. That one makes the most sense from a Biblical perspective.
Whoops ~ another glaring error your link fails to address is the nature of water surpassing 705 degrees farenheit and entering into the supercritical stage. Refer to page 118 of the 8th edition to see how all your problems are initially addressed with much more detail provided further into his book.
Non-scientific huh?! And yet one of the most thoroughly researched and cross-referenced research documents addressing challenges found in all of the major scientific disciplines.
I guess I’m not surprised all but one of your references found in this rebuttal link are so old and out-of-date that they preceed his 1st edition from 1980, some by decades.
I’d have to respectfully disagree. Could any tsunami exceed 1 mile in height? And would it deposit fossils on all of the mountaintops?
You are too funny.
For years on the crevo threads, the evos had been trying to get the creation articles that GGG was posting in the *Religion Forum* "where they belong" because it wasn't real science, it was religion.
And now you're complaining when someone does post something about the Flood in the RF and claiming it doesn't belong there either.
Good grief, will you make up your mind? Can't anyone do anything good enough for you?
Noah's flood was for a specific purpose... The Heavenly Father Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.
7. And the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have mad them.”
Then we are told why Noah and his family were elected to be saved on the ark to continue the blood line to the birth of Christ.
I like God too, but please, learn just a little science.
well put. One other interesting thing is that there are flood stories among Caucasian peoples (Semitics, Indians,Iranis) but not amongs Africans or Mongoloids (East Asians or native Americans). Perhaps this is because the flood was the flooding of the Middle-East->Central Asia region where the Caucasians were clustered around?
I have learned much of science both before joining FR, but even moreso after following the evo-crevo debates here. As I said once before ~ He who lacks imagination lacks intelligence.
I studied and somewhat believed the lies about the Earth/Universe ages and evolution when I was younger and full of myself. Thanks be to God for He has opened my eyes to my cognitive disonance. This has kept me diligently reading and studying His Word as well as mankinds exploits. Evolution that goes beyond change within a kind (microevolution) is simply not logical. Breakdowns in DNA lead to extinctions (more entropy ~ the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) Logic simply does not allow for eons of evolution (more like devolution as I see it).
I truly love learning and love science but not so much with how it has been politicized. Think ~ who the press has blindly defended (and for how many years, no decades, nope centuries, where it continues stronger and mostly unabated). And whom do they never stop offending?
Then open your eyes to see how they’ve infiltrated all forms of education. The higher the education the more perverse the thinking and research (i.e Kinsey’s sex research). Next up is medicine where if we are not careful we’ll see history repeating atrocities greater than nazi wwii experiments. I take that back b/c abortions have already killed far more (innocent babies no less) than all of wwii combined.
One can argue blindly, passionately, and falsely when one only hears and sees one side of any argument.
My understanding was that the water was both “locked up” in the heavens and beneath the crust of the earth. The surface of the planet was much “smoother” in that it didn’t have the high points and low points that it does now, post-flood, and the amount of surface water was much less.
During the flood, these waters were released to cover the relatively low land masses.
During this time of coverage and neo-post-flood, the earth’s surface changed dramatically and quickly, raising up land and lowering the oceans, so all this “excess” water is still here, but in the deepest recesses of the oceans.
The tsunami itself wouldn’t need to be a mile high if the entire ice shelf on Antarctica slipped into the ocean. Ahead of the wave would be the most violent storms as the atmosphere was compacted and pushed forward. Water would gather and swell at every nook and cranny available on the earth. The sloshing from the wave across the globe could easily last 40 days before settling; leaving behind thick mud perhaps a mile deep. It’s not only possible, but plausible.
I would concur only if it were a direct causation linked to the event which formed the mid-oceanic trench (i.e. Noah’s Flood). Of course this event takes about a year for dry land to re-appear not just 40 days. The flood was 40 days of rain but took much longer to bury the fossils and recede.
I thought for sure someone would point out some specific scientific fact that you got wrong.
Maybe next time...
Well met, then. Very nicely stated. I apologize.
FWIW, I agree with your post 100% This absolutely DOES belong in the religion forum and I’m happy to see it here.
Hope I got it all correct but the thread is still less than a day old. Everyone does seem to be more polite - maybe partly b/c it’s the religion forum.
Ever stop to ponder WHY it is being ignored?
It was more a comment on people who ask you to ‘learn a little science’ but have no specific ‘error’ that can be pointed out.
And that’s before we even get to the discussion about what is a scientific fact vs a naturalistic opinion.
Sure, and it could take another 50 years (that we may not have) for people to see the emperor (evolution) has no clothes.
After all the modern-day version of evolution started in late 18th century while science has progressed with many amazing and revolutionary discoveries ~ some even revere science as a deity.
I’ve also taken note of how often the skeptics and experts have scoffed at Holy Scriptures and then later had to eat their hats when proven wrong.
Maybe you have noticed that the evolutionary branch of science contains the most fairy tales. Ever wonder why?
Actually, I didn’t say that I thought it belonged on the RF.
Personally, I don’t really care which forum it’s posted in.
I was merely pointing out the inconsistency of the complaint.