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Flood of Noah, Earthquakes
video.search.yahoo.com/video/ ^ | Sept. 17th, 2010 | Pastor Kevin Lea

Posted on 01/06/2011 5:21:27 PM PST by BrandtMichaels

CalvaryChurchPO | September 17, 2010 | 0 likes, 0 dislikes

Pastor Kevin Lea presents Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory, examines the Genesis account of the flood and answers the questions: Where did the water comefrom? Where did it go? Where did the comets come from? ...and many other important questions.

(Excerpt) Read more at video.search.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: apologetics; fllod; general; ministry; notasciencetopic; realscience; science; troll; truescience
About 40 videos in total. The first 2 multi-part video presentations explaining the hydroplate theory espoused by Dr. Walt Brown Ph.D. at creationscience.com ~ his online book now in it's 8th edition published 2008.

The first 6-part video presentation entitled "Flood of Noah" (narrated by Pastor Kevin Lea at Calvary Churh of Port Orchard) each segment is just under 10 minutes.

The second 7-part video presentation entitled "Earthquakes" (also narrated by Pastor Kevin Lea at Calvary Churh of Port Orchard) each segment is just under 10 minutes.

More scientific evidence that demands and explanation. And gets a very graphic and detailed explanation by Dr. Walt Brown Ph.D. from M.I.T. with his hydroplate theory (first edition of this incredible and amazing book 1980) To this day his book of scientific evidence has been largely ignored and discarded by the modern day scientific community due to simple prejudicial thinking for going upstream on evolution.

1 posted on 01/06/2011 5:21:30 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

Fllods are hugh and series!


2 posted on 01/06/2011 5:24:06 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Fllods are really bad news.


3 posted on 01/06/2011 5:24:38 PM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: BrandtMichaels
Help! I need a plumber!

There`s a flood in my cellar!

4 posted on 01/06/2011 5:24:53 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: BrandtMichaels

Is that Fllod or Floyd?


5 posted on 01/06/2011 5:25:56 PM PST by samtheman
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To: admin

Admin,

Thanks for correcting the title.


6 posted on 01/06/2011 5:37:18 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

So why is crack pot science in the Religion Forum? It doesn’t belong here anymore than “Pyramids built by space aliens”, out of place artifacts, or theories that American Indians are the lost tribe of Israel.


7 posted on 01/06/2011 5:44:23 PM PST by Natural Law (Grant that we may be one flock and one shepherd!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Well, I followed your link and came to the conclusion that Noah’s flood was caused by a guy front flipping off a roof, a motorcycle burning out, and standing cat.

This is hugh and series.


8 posted on 01/06/2011 5:49:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Natural Law

It is based on the creation story account in Genesis and the Global Flood described in chapter 7.

However, regarding the disdain you have already shown in your very 1st post, I am hesitant to answer any of your future posts.


9 posted on 01/06/2011 5:50:58 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

The waters of the flood most likely amounted to the oceans of Mars getting dumped onto this planet.


10 posted on 01/06/2011 5:51:02 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: BrandtMichaels; Natural Law
However, regarding the disdain you have already shown in your very 1st post, I am hesitant to answer any of your future posts.

Ah yes, the infamous second great commission of Christ.. Go ye to the world and preach the gospel only to people who are nice to you and give you warm fuzzy feelings.

11 posted on 01/06/2011 5:53:14 PM PST by mnehring
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To: wendy1946

Pre-flood Earth would have had mountains no more than 1 mile high with subterranean waters that burst forth from under 10 mile thick granite ~ the fountains of the great deep as stated in the Bible.

From both a mathematical and statistical perspective this theory ‘holds more water’ than waters transported from Mars or anywhere else outside of the Earth.

Dr. Russell Humphrey described the creation event as a 1 light-year wide ball of water in “Starlight and Time” while the Bible says God brooded or hovered over great waters.


12 posted on 01/06/2011 6:01:03 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: mnehring

Let’s just say from past experience it becomes obvious which posters are more willing to carry on a productive conversation.


13 posted on 01/06/2011 6:03:02 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: wendy1946

Are you familiar with the 46,000 mile long mid-oceanic ridge ~ a long mountain range that circumnavigates the globe with the majority of it found in the great depths of the oceans?


14 posted on 01/06/2011 6:06:34 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

“Pre-flood Earth would have had mountains no more than 1 mile high with subterranean waters that burst forth from under 10 mile thick granite ~ the fountains of the great deep as stated in the Bible.”

Show me where in the Holy Bible where it says the mountains were <1 mile high and the granite was 10 miles thick. Why do some people feel the need to embellish on what is stated in the Bible?


15 posted on 01/06/2011 6:14:38 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: BrandtMichaels

IF, as these theories state, that there was a global flood in the way some believe the transition of the Bible states, and it was caused by a upheaval so great to cause, in under 40 days, the formation of our mountains and deep ocean trenches, and even split the contents as some speculate, what would the thermal signature look like for all that tectonic action?

The energy involved would be beyond the scale and the heat generated would have to be so great that you wouldn’t have a flood event but a greenhouse event on the scale of Venus.

A massive greenhouse event that isn’t found in the Bible (nor is the splitting of the continents, nor is the rising of the mountains, nor is the ridges of the oceans..) If you are going to reject what we learn from science because you believe it is un =Biblical, you probably shouldn’t do so by adding in a bunch of unBiblical ‘evidence’ to the Bible.

If, as you say, is 40 videos on what is basically two chapters in the Bible, that is adding a LOT of non-Biblical ‘evidence’.


16 posted on 01/06/2011 6:16:35 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Kirkwood

Part of what I’m quoting ~ the majority ~ is from:

Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

also listed on my links page. It’s part f Dr. Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory. A theory which has largely been ignored by the scientific community for almost 30 years.


17 posted on 01/06/2011 6:17:51 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

It is ignored by science because Brown’s theories are as non-scientific as they are non-Biblical. Much of what he professes defies the laws of physics.

Just one quick example of holes shot all in Brown’s theories.
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/hydro.html


18 posted on 01/06/2011 6:22:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

There is much evidence for a global flood ~ just that the majority of it is mis-interpreted by those with an evolutionary bias. A vast majority of evidence is completely ignored by evolution. For instance there are ocean fossils found on all the mountaintops.

The reason the Earth was not baked by the heat has to due with water under high heat and pressure which then enters a supercritical phase stretching the Earth’s crust, ionizing the water, and supplying enough explosive force to account for asteroids, meteoroids and comets.


19 posted on 01/06/2011 6:30:58 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: All

Over the years ruins have been unearthed. How did they get under all the dirt and where did the people go who built them. I’m convinced they were covered with sedimentary mud from the great flood.


20 posted on 01/06/2011 6:31:30 PM PST by Terry Mross ( Time for a true conservative third party.)
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To: mnehring

Dr. Brown addresses all these points in his book which you apparently have not read.

A 10-mile thick granite crust could have been quite nearly impossible for mankind to drill through but it is not beyond the realm of possibilities...

Quite simply the physics account you linked to does not address all the details laid out by Dr. Brown. Sure it is incredible but much more possible and probable than eons of evolution.

one thing he clearly states is subterranean pillars to support the crust and a nearly perfect sphere with few mountain ranges no more than 1-mile high that would correspond to the location of the pillars.

from your link:

“Let’s go to physics class. As I understand your model, you have the earth constructed as follows: a solid center, a water layer, then above that, a layer of granite or basalt which ‘floats’ on the water. This is as shown below:

^ a mountain ps = 2.1 g/cc height = h


Earth’s crust (granite 2.65 g/cc, or basalt 3.3 g/cc) Thickness = T


Water (density 1.0 g/cc) Thickness = tw


Earth center (solid density > 3.3)


There are several things to notice about this situation. First, the crust must be absolutely impermeable to the water. There must be no earthquakes before the flood since the first crack in this sphere would allow the water to escape. This means that there must be no meteorites before the flood. And heaven help mankind if he ever were to have drilled into the crust for curiosity’s sake.

There must absolutely not have been any elevation differences.


21 posted on 01/06/2011 6:46:43 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Terry Mross

You would probably appreciate the section discussing frozen mammoths. Mainly has to do with the speed and conditions required to preserve the carcass. Also some very interesting pictures of fish and tree fossils in talking points 21 thru 25 where he dubunks the age and placement of these fossils in part 1 pp 10-12.


22 posted on 01/06/2011 6:55:15 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

How ‘bout the theory that the ice shelf of Antarctica slipping off and causing a massive tsunami all over the Earth. That one makes the most sense from a Biblical perspective.


23 posted on 01/06/2011 7:00:19 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: mnehring

Whoops ~ another glaring error your link fails to address is the nature of water surpassing 705 degrees farenheit and entering into the supercritical stage. Refer to page 118 of the 8th edition to see how all your problems are initially addressed with much more detail provided further into his book.

Non-scientific huh?! And yet one of the most thoroughly researched and cross-referenced research documents addressing challenges found in all of the major scientific disciplines.


24 posted on 01/06/2011 7:02:50 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

I guess I’m not surprised all but one of your references found in this rebuttal link are so old and out-of-date that they preceed his 1st edition from 1980, some by decades.


25 posted on 01/06/2011 7:09:05 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: numberonepal

I’d have to respectfully disagree. Could any tsunami exceed 1 mile in height? And would it deposit fossils on all of the mountaintops?


26 posted on 01/06/2011 7:12:48 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Natural Law; BrandtMichaels; WKB; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; ...
So why is crack pot science in the Religion Forum? It doesn’t belong here anymore than “Pyramids built by space aliens”, out of place artifacts, or theories that American Indians are the lost tribe of Israel.

You are too funny.

For years on the crevo threads, the evos had been trying to get the creation articles that GGG was posting in the *Religion Forum* "where they belong" because it wasn't real science, it was religion.

And now you're complaining when someone does post something about the Flood in the RF and claiming it doesn't belong there either.

Good grief, will you make up your mind? Can't anyone do anything good enough for you?


27 posted on 01/06/2011 7:16:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gamecock

ping


28 posted on 01/06/2011 7:21:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Where did the water come from and go in Genesis 1:2? Peter elaborates on this flood in IIPeter 3 and Jeremiah 4:22-28 says the children are sottish, unlearned and have none understanding about what has previously taken place.

Noah's flood was for a specific purpose... The Heavenly Father Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.

7. And the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have mad them.”

Then we are told why Noah and his family were elected to be saved on the ark to continue the blood line to the birth of Christ.

29 posted on 01/06/2011 7:40:34 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: metmom

LOLOL!


31 posted on 01/06/2011 9:28:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: BrandtMichaels

I like God too, but please, learn just a little science.


32 posted on 01/06/2011 10:31:53 PM PST by onedoug
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To: mnehring

well put. One other interesting thing is that there are flood stories among Caucasian peoples (Semitics, Indians,Iranis) but not amongs Africans or Mongoloids (East Asians or native Americans). Perhaps this is because the flood was the flooding of the Middle-East->Central Asia region where the Caucasians were clustered around?


33 posted on 01/07/2011 2:44:09 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: onedoug

I have learned much of science both before joining FR, but even moreso after following the evo-crevo debates here. As I said once before ~ He who lacks imagination lacks intelligence.

I studied and somewhat believed the lies about the Earth/Universe ages and evolution when I was younger and full of myself. Thanks be to God for He has opened my eyes to my cognitive disonance. This has kept me diligently reading and studying His Word as well as mankinds exploits. Evolution that goes beyond change within a kind (microevolution) is simply not logical. Breakdowns in DNA lead to extinctions (more entropy ~ the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) Logic simply does not allow for eons of evolution (more like devolution as I see it).

I truly love learning and love science but not so much with how it has been politicized. Think ~ who the press has blindly defended (and for how many years, no decades, nope centuries, where it continues stronger and mostly unabated). And whom do they never stop offending?

Then open your eyes to see how they’ve infiltrated all forms of education. The higher the education the more perverse the thinking and research (i.e Kinsey’s sex research). Next up is medicine where if we are not careful we’ll see history repeating atrocities greater than nazi wwii experiments. I take that back b/c abortions have already killed far more (innocent babies no less) than all of wwii combined.

One can argue blindly, passionately, and falsely when one only hears and sees one side of any argument.


34 posted on 01/07/2011 5:15:43 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Just mythoughts

My understanding was that the water was both “locked up” in the heavens and beneath the crust of the earth. The surface of the planet was much “smoother” in that it didn’t have the high points and low points that it does now, post-flood, and the amount of surface water was much less.
During the flood, these waters were released to cover the relatively low land masses.
During this time of coverage and neo-post-flood, the earth’s surface changed dramatically and quickly, raising up land and lowering the oceans, so all this “excess” water is still here, but in the deepest recesses of the oceans.


35 posted on 01/07/2011 5:22:45 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

The tsunami itself wouldn’t need to be a mile high if the entire ice shelf on Antarctica slipped into the ocean. Ahead of the wave would be the most violent storms as the atmosphere was compacted and pushed forward. Water would gather and swell at every nook and cranny available on the earth. The sloshing from the wave across the globe could easily last 40 days before settling; leaving behind thick mud perhaps a mile deep. It’s not only possible, but plausible.


36 posted on 01/07/2011 5:30:38 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: numberonepal

I would concur only if it were a direct causation linked to the event which formed the mid-oceanic trench (i.e. Noah’s Flood). Of course this event takes about a year for dry land to re-appear not just 40 days. The flood was 40 days of rain but took much longer to bury the fossils and recede.


37 posted on 01/07/2011 5:41:25 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

I thought for sure someone would point out some specific scientific fact that you got wrong.

Maybe next time...


38 posted on 01/07/2011 6:13:08 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Well met, then. Very nicely stated. I apologize.


39 posted on 01/07/2011 6:26:00 AM PST by onedoug
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To: metmom

FWIW, I agree with your post 100% This absolutely DOES belong in the religion forum and I’m happy to see it here.


40 posted on 01/07/2011 6:33:29 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: GourmetDan

Hope I got it all correct but the thread is still less than a day old. Everyone does seem to be more polite - maybe partly b/c it’s the religion forum.


41 posted on 01/07/2011 6:48:36 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
“...A theory which has largely been ignored by the scientific community for almost 30 years. ...”

Ever stop to ponder WHY it is being ignored?

42 posted on 01/07/2011 6:54:26 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: BrandtMichaels

It was more a comment on people who ask you to ‘learn a little science’ but have no specific ‘error’ that can be pointed out.

And that’s before we even get to the discussion about what is a scientific fact vs a naturalistic opinion.


43 posted on 01/07/2011 7:10:37 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: starlifter

Sure, and it could take another 50 years (that we may not have) for people to see the emperor (evolution) has no clothes.

After all the modern-day version of evolution started in late 18th century while science has progressed with many amazing and revolutionary discoveries ~ some even revere science as a deity.

I’ve also taken note of how often the skeptics and experts have scoffed at Holy Scriptures and then later had to eat their hats when proven wrong.

Maybe you have noticed that the evolutionary branch of science contains the most fairy tales. Ever wonder why?


44 posted on 01/07/2011 7:34:45 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: whattajoke

Actually, I didn’t say that I thought it belonged on the RF.

Personally, I don’t really care which forum it’s posted in.

I was merely pointing out the inconsistency of the complaint.


45 posted on 01/07/2011 8:00:43 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: samtheman
Is that Fllod or Floyd?

Pink Flood


46 posted on 01/11/2011 11:45:11 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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