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To: Natural Law; Persevero; wideawake
The Pope' comments are not out of character or different than his positions before he became Pope. Science is not incompatible with Christian faith. He says that scientific processes are among the creations of God. Their perfection is a reflection of their Creator and the wonder of their complexity, with every new discovery, a testament to their author. He states that the Bible is not intended to be a science text book seeking to answer how God created the universe. It is a declaration that He created it and an explanation why.

1)"Creation," properly defined, has nothing to do with natural laws, natural processes, or how a theoretically tiny speck exploded to the size of the universe today. None of this is creation. Creation refers to ex-nihilation--the coming into being of reality (including scientific laws and processes) from absolute nothingness. As such, it is inherently inexplicable by scientific, natural means. Where did anyone ever get the idea that the explosion of a speck to an immense size had anything whatsoever to do with "creation???"

2)Everything recorded in the first eleven chapters of Genesis is just as plausible as any and all other events recorded in either the Hebrew Bible or the "new testament." To dismiss the creation of the first man as an adult directly by G-d by appealing to the birth process we observe today while insisting that J*sus' birth was unique and miraculous in contravention of those same observable laws is the height of hypocrisy, inconsistency, and irrationality. The only excuse for this war against the first eleven chapters of Genesis by people who profess to believe in every miracle or alleged miracle that has occurred since that time is sheer unadulterated sociological bigotry: "we don't believe that because that's what that white trash in the trailer parks believe."

36 posted on 01/09/2011 2:16:28 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!i)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
hypocrisy, inconsistency, and irrationality.

Just as a general observation, I've always tried to avoid equating inconsistency and hypocrisy. it seems one can be inconsistent and neither intend nor even know it, while hypocrisy seems to me to involve more of a conscious act of will.

37 posted on 01/09/2011 2:31:35 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"As such, it is inherently inexplicable by scientific, natural means."

What is inexplicable is the insistence by some that God did not and could not have created the science and math by which He governs the universe because primitive tribes were unable to imagine or comprehend it. Some may accept the "abracadabra" process because they believe it more flattering of God, but to those who have invested their lives in the study of science God's magnificent schematic is even more breathtaking. Knowing how God created does not diminish His accomplishments. Not understanding the math and science does not diminish those who accept that He did.

42 posted on 01/09/2011 2:45:10 PM PST by Natural Law (Grant that we may be one flock and one shepherd!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I agree that saying God is author of the Big Bang contradicts a lot of central Christian doctrines.

Like man being made in God’s image; the Fall; the introduction of death into the world; etc.

For example, if you say God took dust, made man in His image, and breathed the breath of life in him; that is a big contrast to: God made a big bang, over billions of years microbes became fish became mammals became apes became people.

We are hardly made in God’s image if we evolved from apes. As a matter of fact it is a shockingly gross insult of God to say so.


60 posted on 01/09/2011 4:40:37 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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