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How Evangelicals Lost Their Way on Alcohol
Patheos ^ | January 12, 2011 | Thomas S. Kidd

Posted on 01/12/2011 8:57:47 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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....Puritans of Dorchester adopted an unusual tactic to assist the town's poor: they opened a brewery. As in many English towns of the 17th century, problems of overcrowding led many residents and their children to the edge of destitution. But the Puritans' vision of salvation was holistic: the godly would demonstrate their souls' transformation by God in good works. They would not allow their fellow families to go hungry while they had the means to do something about it. So they opened the brewhouse, using proceeds from beer sales to bring poor children to school, instruct them in the faith and in useful vocations, and give them clothes and food. The brewhouse was a wonderful success, and significantly helped to alleviate the problem of poverty in Dorchester....

....Obviously the Puritans of Dorchester did not believe that Christians could not take a drink; no Puritans believed that, contrary to our stereotype of them as history's great killjoys. When did American Christians adopt a stance not just against drunkenness (which is clearly prohibited in scripture), but against drinking per se? The notion of total abstinence from alcohol emerged in the early 19th century, in the midst of new reform movements associated with the Second Great Awakening.

1 posted on 01/12/2011 8:57:48 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I never understood probhibition by christians.. What was Jesus first miracle?


2 posted on 01/12/2011 9:01:35 AM PST by scbison
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To: Alex Murphy

Anyone who believes that the Bible expressly prohibits the consumption of alcohol does not understand their Bible. It merely prohibits drunkeness. Not drinking is fine if that’s your choice, but to create a commandment where none exists...well the Lord has said “teachers” will be held to a higher standard in Heaven...


3 posted on 01/12/2011 9:02:34 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: Alex Murphy

What gets me is how some are so willing to lie about the history of alcohol including its relevance in the Bible simply because they can’t handle their own weaknesses. IMHO, it is about control, nothing more, nothing less.


4 posted on 01/12/2011 9:03:43 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Alex Murphy

A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

And didn’t the Puritans have some other problems??? I mean, these are not the people to emulate, are they.?


5 posted on 01/12/2011 9:03:49 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl (What did Sheriff Dupnik know about Loughner & when did he know it? http://bit.ly/eQ5ehk)
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To: Alex Murphy

One must also consider the technology of the day, and the important role alcohol played in daily life.

Consider:
* No refrigeration - cooking with wine/beer helped cover up the smell of meat that while still’good’ was beginning to smell and taste ‘ripe’.

* Mixing a little wine in the water, killed both parasites as well as other bugs that could cause disease. Bear in mind, a city may get water from the river; but just a few miles upstream cattle crossed the river - adding contamination to the town’s drinking water.

* Dressing a wound with bandages soaked in beer/wine had an anticeptic effect.

* Washing clothes and bedding with alcohol to kill lice and fleas

* A little ‘buzz’ helps you sleep through the night, ignoring misquitoe, flea and bed-bug bites

* Wine/beer store very well, where water goes stagnant quickly.


6 posted on 01/12/2011 9:06:24 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Alex Murphy

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7 posted on 01/12/2011 9:06:34 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bodleian_Girl; Alex Murphy
A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

If a person has inner demons that gives him or her the propensity to abuse his children, he will do it whether he is sober or drunk.

8 posted on 01/12/2011 9:07:18 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Alex Murphy

 
“Jews don’t recognize the Messiah. Protestants don’t recognize the Pope. And Baptists don’t recognize each other in the liquor store.”


9 posted on 01/12/2011 9:07:21 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: The Unknown Republican
I am new to Southern Baptist dogma. I married into it. I find it fascinating and also a tad constricting.

But the day I saw that my in-laws bought a margarita maker, I breathed a sigh of relief.

10 posted on 01/12/2011 9:08:35 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I'll drink to that.
11 posted on 01/12/2011 9:08:40 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
it is about control, nothing more, nothing less.

That it is. I couldn't control it so I quit.
12 posted on 01/12/2011 9:10:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: The Unknown Republican

“...well the Lord has said “teachers” will be held to a higher standard in Heaven...”.

People actually teach drinking?

;-)


13 posted on 01/12/2011 9:10:35 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: scbison
But imposing abstinence from alcohol as a non-negotiable behavioral standard for all Christians is a moral requirement unknown to scripture.

Prohibition was, at one time, a logical step to address alcohol abuse. At the time widespread availability of safe drinking water and other beverages was not common. And, for certain people who just can't drink in moderation, it is still useful.

But to insist one must abstain from alcohol 100% to be considered Christian is a dogma no less than some of those who claim one must adhere to the majority view of the Trinity (or insert your other favorite dogma here) in order to be considered a Christian.

Jesus Christ alone will determine who passes the Christian test, not any organized church or extreme fundies who appoint themselves to that role.

14 posted on 01/12/2011 9:11:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

“A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.”

I know a teetotaler that beat his wife to death with a fire poker. Deacon in a Church.

It’s irrelevant to the discussion.

People are assholes or they aren’t.


15 posted on 01/12/2011 9:12:06 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Alex Murphy

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.


16 posted on 01/12/2011 9:12:35 AM PST by DManA
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To: mnehring
If a person has inner demons that gives him or her the propensity to abuse his children, he will do it whether he is sober or drunk.

Alcohol lowers your inhibitions, so if you have a pre-disposal to be violent, your ability to NOT act on your violent tendencies is lowered. You need not look very far to see that abused children report that their beatings usually took place when Daddy had been drinking.

People CHANGE when they are drunk. People will freely do things when they are drunk - that they would never seriosly consider doing when they are sober.

17 posted on 01/12/2011 9:14:23 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

I grew up in a teetotaling home, a Baptist one. I didn’t have to worry about drunkenness, but I found a false sense of purity and righteousness in the church because of what they avoided, like dancing, etc. I eventually found my way to the calvinists who are more closely aligned to the Puritans; I am much more comfortable there. No, they are not perfect, but I value their emphasis on looking within and being aware of inner sinfulness rather than avoiding certain practices as a path to holiness. Their emphasis is on God Himself through Christ rather than their own actions as the way to holiness.


18 posted on 01/12/2011 9:16:58 AM PST by twigs
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To: Hodar
My Daddy used to tell me the story of the WCTU ladies who toured the schools with live demonstrations in his day.

They would take out four small saucers and put a live worm in each one as the kids crowded around. Each saucer was filled with a different beverage, plain water, milk, a fruit or vegetable juice and whiskey. The worms in the other three saucers would swim around while the one in the whiskey saucer would shrivel and die.

The lady would then ask the kids what the demonstration proved. In nearly every case, they would respond it would show whiskey was bad for you.

When the WCTU came to my Dad's class, however, a little boy in the back raised his hand and answered "Drink plenty of whiskey and you'll never have to worry about having worms."

19 posted on 01/12/2011 9:18:07 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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....to insist one must abstain from alcohol 100% to be considered Christian is a dogma no less than some of those who claim one must adhere to the majority view of the Trinity (or insert your other favorite dogma here) in order to be considered a Christian.

Jesus Christ alone will determine who passes the Christian test, not any organized church or extreme fundies who appoint themselves to that role.

Do you yourself hold to the "majority view", or to some other view?

20 posted on 01/12/2011 9:20:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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