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How Evangelicals Lost Their Way on Alcohol
Patheos ^ | January 12, 2011 | Thomas S. Kidd

Posted on 01/12/2011 8:57:47 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: mnehring; Alex Murphy
IMHO, it is about control, nothing more, nothing less.

That would seem the most likely reason. Wouldn't it be better to simply say, if you can't stop at one drink, you shouldn't have the first!

The ban on alcohol for the problems of the few seems an awful lot like the left trying to ban guns...

41 posted on 01/12/2011 9:51:22 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think I would counter that sign with,

“Eyes that can see will never kiss thee”. Or

“It would take a lot more than hooch to give you a smooch.”


42 posted on 01/12/2011 9:53:02 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
“Eyes that can see will never kiss thee”. Or “It would take a lot more than hooch to give you a smooch.”

ROTFL!

43 posted on 01/12/2011 9:54:51 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Now give us some verses from the New Testament


44 posted on 01/12/2011 10:01:58 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers

What drives me nuts is grape juice for the Lord’s Supper - talk about ignoring scripture!
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What about plain water ???


45 posted on 01/12/2011 10:04:22 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: chesley

A guy who beats his wife will do it drunk or sober...

dont blame the alcohol...

Plenty of them know just what they are doing...

and they are NOT out of control...


46 posted on 01/12/2011 10:09:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy

It is just barely possible that I was being the teensiest bit sarcastic about referring to my coworkers as fundamentalists and evangelists. They are legends in their own mind when it comes to spiritual purity.

Maybe “fanatics” would describe them more accurately. They declare the Pope to be the devil, and boast that in a one on one debate each could administer severe theological beatdown to the current Pontiff. I’ve offered to fly them to the Vatican. One way.

In effect, they are trying to convert me to Christianity. Neither gives Christmas gifts to his children, calling that practice “pagan” and “of the devil”.

I have a calendar in my shop featuring paintings that depict the Infant Jesus and Mary His Mother, by various Renaissance artists. Drives them bonkers.


47 posted on 01/12/2011 10:11:17 AM PST by elcid1970 ("A man's got to believe in something. Believe I'll have another drink.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Yours if you favor them.


48 posted on 01/12/2011 10:14:38 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Maybe in a lot of cases. I don’t think so in this one. He definitely progresses in his other failings, so why not this one.

A 100% blanket statement is almost always wrong. but only almost.


49 posted on 01/12/2011 10:17:21 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was raised in a church that forbade alcohol, and to this day I don’t drink.

Over many years, I finally came to the conclusion that drinking is not sin, and I refuse to make my rule for me apply to you. At this late stage of life I see no reason to introduce something into my life that has never been a part of it, and I recognize all the pitfalls that can come from alcohol. But I also recognize that most people are able to enjoy a beer on a Saturday afternoon and no harm no foul.

So, my attitude is that the alcohol-free life is probably better, but its a mistake to make a fetish of it. There are Christians the world over who don’t have any misgivings about it (I’ve heard of Brits holding bible-study at the pub). We have a lot of freedom in Christ.


50 posted on 01/12/2011 10:18:11 AM PST by marron
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To: Responsibility2nd; Lazamataz
Feh ...

Even Laz wouldn't ...

51 posted on 01/12/2011 10:18:53 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: elcid1970; Alex Murphy
In effect, they are trying to convert me to Christianity.

No, they're not. From all appearances, you're already a Christian. They're trying to convert you to their man-made un-Biblical cult.

52 posted on 01/12/2011 10:21:13 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

One of the things that has made the modern Church virtually irrelevant today in society is that they have promoted all sorts of things which are not sins into the category of being sinful.

Smoking is a great example. Smoking is not a sin but the modern-day Christian has made it a requirement of all Christians to not smoke. Sure, it’s bad for you but so is eating fast food and I still see people doing that.

I know lots of people who think that drinking is a sin and they brag about how “alcohol has never passed my lips”. I tell them that God is not impressed with that and they get very offended. Besides, if they have ever had nyquil or most types of cough syrup they have had some alcohol.

Christians need to get back to the basics instead of trying to shape society to meet all of their personal wishes — which is what the liberals do.


53 posted on 01/12/2011 10:22:42 AM PST by webstersII
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To: The Unknown Republican

You are right. The Bible prohibits excess or drunkenness. Christ’s first miracle was turning water into wine, and the scripture does allow that God created the fruit of the vine to make wine which maketh merry the heart of man. It’s not logical the way it has been taken to the extreme. In fact, I’ve often thought that a lot of men would have been better served to be able to sit down in their own homes, at their own tables and have a gracious glass of wine with their meals rather than having to go out to a beer joint and drink out of sight of their wives.


54 posted on 01/12/2011 10:23:54 AM PST by Twinkie (Awake and strengthen that which remains . . . . . . . . Revelation 3)
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To: Hodar

“People CHANGE when they are drunk. People will freely do things when they are drunk - that they would never seriosly consider doing when they are sober. “

Quite true but irrelevant to the discussion.

This is about whether it is a sin to drink, not whether it’s bad for society.


55 posted on 01/12/2011 10:25:58 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Bodleian_Girl

You forgot this one:

David in Psalm 104 God brought forth “wine that maketh glad the heart of man”

And several other verses from the Old and New Testament that go against your moral view which is not Biblical, but cultural.


56 posted on 01/12/2011 10:32:39 AM PST by webstersII
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To: elcid1970

“They are legends in their own mind when it comes to spiritual purity.”

The thing I love about people like that is they have so much joy in their lives. /sarcasm


57 posted on 01/12/2011 10:37:32 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Bodleian_Girl; Tennessee Nana

Well thank you for all the posted verses. The problem is all of those verses within their context have to do with over indulging, excess, or drunkenness. All of which yes the Bible clearly condemns. We should learn from that and insure that we don’t commit the same sin. For some of us that means abstaining at all times either because of a low tolerance level towards alcohol or simply lack of self control. For others who don’t have any of these issues, it would not be sin to have a glass of wine with dinner.

And with that said, you cannot get around that Jesus turned the water into wine at Cana. That’s just fact and that’s just Scripture. And you can’t suggest that well, it must have been grape juice or cheap wine or some such nonsense which clearly contradict what the Scripture in fact says.

And you can’t then suggest that well, water wasn’t safe to drink back then, blah blah, wine was safer etc. etc. Why? Because Jesus is God. He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16). Safety and health wouldn’t have been an obstacle for Him. He could have created the most wonderful, purist, cleanest, tastiest water you will have ever drank if he had wanted to. He didn’t. Instead he created the BEST WINE.

Think on that.


58 posted on 01/12/2011 10:38:39 AM PST by conservativegramma
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To: Alex Murphy

Growing up in West Texas, there was a saying:

“They have a Babtist bar”.

It meant that they kept the liquor under the sink.


59 posted on 01/12/2011 10:43:00 AM PST by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: mnehring
If a person has inner demons that gives him or her the propensity to abuse his children, he will do it whether he is sober or drunk.

Anger, physical abuse of others as well as drunkenness are sins of the flesh. No demons are required - see Galatians 5:19-21

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
60 posted on 01/12/2011 10:43:04 AM PST by slumber1 (Texas Rangers - 2010 American League Champions!)
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