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To: Alex Murphy

I never understood probhibition by christians.. What was Jesus first miracle?


2 posted on 01/12/2011 9:01:35 AM PST by scbison
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To: scbison
But imposing abstinence from alcohol as a non-negotiable behavioral standard for all Christians is a moral requirement unknown to scripture.

Prohibition was, at one time, a logical step to address alcohol abuse. At the time widespread availability of safe drinking water and other beverages was not common. And, for certain people who just can't drink in moderation, it is still useful.

But to insist one must abstain from alcohol 100% to be considered Christian is a dogma no less than some of those who claim one must adhere to the majority view of the Trinity (or insert your other favorite dogma here) in order to be considered a Christian.

Jesus Christ alone will determine who passes the Christian test, not any organized church or extreme fundies who appoint themselves to that role.

14 posted on 01/12/2011 9:11:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: scbison

I have two fundamentalist coworkers who berate me about drinking (I’m Catholic so I must be a drunk). BTW they are so fundie they think Rev. Billy Graham is a communist.

But whenever I mention the wedding at Cana they fall into sullen silence or insist Jesus turned water into grape juice. But the chief steward criticized the bridegroom for “saving the best wine until now” because by now the guests were too snockered to tell the difference. And if what he tasted had turned out to be nothing but grape juice, he would have said “I quit!” and stormed out.

Then, my evangelists conclude that of course the chief steward thought the water-made-wine was the best he had ever tasted because Jesus’ divine nature would allow nothing less.

Google “the grape juice myth” for more insight. BTW, the Mormon prohibition on alcohol is strictly a 19th century thing.


22 posted on 01/12/2011 9:25:04 AM PST by elcid1970 ("A man's got to believe in something. Believe I'll have another drink.")
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To: scbison
According to some--perhaps too many--the first recorded miracle was changing water for ritual washing into Welch's grape juice for drinking. ... Of course the one to whom the grape juice was given, a man who would know good and bad wine when he tasted it, declared that the wine was not only not water, it was the best of the feast!

Alcoholism is a real problem in this world. And drinking in excess causes all sorts of problems, not the least of which is lowering the immune system response when germs attack and washing away the protective mucosa of the throat and stomach (why smoking when drinking, especially drinking hard liquor, will up the odds of mouth, throat and stomach cancer ... just look at Christopher Hitchens or Michael Douglas). But a little wine helps with digestion, and a beer will help the flora of the bowel. Besides, wine tastes good with cheeses and dipping veggies.

37 posted on 01/12/2011 9:44:05 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: scbison; Alex Murphy; Vigilanteman; elcid1970
Ah, but some evangelicals believe that Jesus made grape juice! Here's a clip
Da ya go displaying your ignorance over the biblical use of the word “wine.” Justify your drunkeness via Jesus and the wedding! No, Jesus never drank strong drink and He didn’t create 150 gallons of rotten juice to throw a drunken party. Jesus Christ never created anything tainted, and fermented juice is tainted. What He created was good and pure — not purtrid and corrupt! It’s down right blasphemous to suggest such a thing.
Of course, this forgets that until the modern processing industry grape juice naturally became wine or vinegar. In fact even now the grape fruit juice is artificially prevented from becoming wine/vinegar with the presence of chemicals. So wine is actually more "natural" than grape juice and not "tainted" with chemicals
81 posted on 01/13/2011 4:35:59 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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