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To: Alex Murphy

A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

And didn’t the Puritans have some other problems??? I mean, these are not the people to emulate, are they.?


5 posted on 01/12/2011 9:03:49 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl (What did Sheriff Dupnik know about Loughner & when did he know it? http://bit.ly/eQ5ehk)
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To: Bodleian_Girl; Alex Murphy
A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

If a person has inner demons that gives him or her the propensity to abuse his children, he will do it whether he is sober or drunk.

8 posted on 01/12/2011 9:07:18 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Bodleian_Girl

“A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.”

I know a teetotaler that beat his wife to death with a fire poker. Deacon in a Church.

It’s irrelevant to the discussion.

People are assholes or they aren’t.


15 posted on 01/12/2011 9:12:06 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

I grew up in a teetotaling home, a Baptist one. I didn’t have to worry about drunkenness, but I found a false sense of purity and righteousness in the church because of what they avoided, like dancing, etc. I eventually found my way to the calvinists who are more closely aligned to the Puritans; I am much more comfortable there. No, they are not perfect, but I value their emphasis on looking within and being aware of inner sinfulness rather than avoiding certain practices as a path to holiness. Their emphasis is on God Himself through Christ rather than their own actions as the way to holiness.


18 posted on 01/12/2011 9:16:58 AM PST by twigs
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To: Bodleian_Girl
A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

A person who doesn't have kids won't abuse them either.

I'm not trying to be flippant, but the drinking isn't the root cause of the the abuse; rather, it's the man.

To your other point about Puritans not being the people to emulate, you have seemingly refuted your first point. First, you wish people to emulate a particular behavior so as to avoid certain outcomes (namely, child abuse). But you go on to say that we shouldn't emulate Puritans because of (unnamed) 'problems'.

Sorry, but I just don't get it...

21 posted on 01/12/2011 9:23:59 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity (A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

“The use of wine, and of all intoxicating drinks, was solemnly forbidden to the priests under the Mosaic law, when engaged in the performance of their sacred duties; Leviticus 10:9-10. The same was the case among the Egyptian priests.

Clarke; compare notes on 1 Timothy 3:3. It is not improbable that the same thing would be regarded as proper among those who ministered in holy things under the Christian dispensation. The natural feeling would be, and not improperly, that a Christian minister should not be less holy than a Jewish priest, and especially when it is remembered that the reason of the Jewish law remained the same - ‘that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and clean and unclean.’”

http://bible.cc/1_timothy/5-23.htm


24 posted on 01/12/2011 9:27:47 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: Bodleian_Girl

A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.
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Theres plenty who abuse their kids without the drink...

at least the drunk has an “excuse”

its not the drink that causes abuse...


26 posted on 01/12/2011 9:30:12 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bodleian_Girl
A person who abstains will never become the drunk that abuses his kids.

And what's the actual rate of "abstention" - and of alcohol problems - among those who preach teetotalism, rather than preaching moderation?

"...The Protestant fundamentalist churches, which have no culturally defined role for alcohol, i.e., those which advocate abstinence, have the highest probability rate for drinking pathologies. Of these groups, the southern Baptists have the highest drinking pathology probability rate. The probable reason for this is that they isolate attitudes toward drinking from other inhibitory and controlling aspects of the personality.... [These conditions] necessitate that drinking be learned from dissident members of the group or members of other groups who may suggest and reinforce utilitarian drinking attitudes." French and Bertoluzzi, "The Drunken Indian Stereotypes," p. 17.

38 posted on 01/12/2011 9:45:26 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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