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Robert L. Millet The Most Correct Book...(Morm/LDS Video)
Sperry Symposium ^ | 2007 | Robert L. Millet

Posted on 01/16/2011 5:57:32 AM PST by restornu

The Most Correct Book: Joseph Smith's Appraisal of the Book of Mormon

Robert L. Millet; he who is built upon the rock will we receive this work with gladness.

Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet

...separating the wheat from the chatter of the tears!

I could not leave without leaving these words of bro Millet

Understand the words such as precepts, the word “most correct’ and how it was used in the 1800's, things of God are only known by the power and spirit of God, the truthfulness and much much more...

Most importantly again he who is built upon the rock receive this work with gladness

The Book of Mormon was met for the children of today and the thing of most worth was preserved.

The Book of Mormon is not on trial it is the people and the members of today and how they treat and what they do with the Book of Mormon.


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1 posted on 01/16/2011 5:57:37 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

* If by “correct” you mean “corrupt”.


2 posted on 01/16/2011 5:59:25 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: restornu
Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet

Not enough.

3 posted on 01/16/2011 6:02:28 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: restornu
The Book of Mormon is not on trial it is the people

Nope it is the BoM that is in question, the teachings of JS, BY and others.......it is the bastardization of the Word of God that is objectionable not the lds people in and of themselves.

4 posted on 01/16/2011 6:10:07 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: restornu

I wish they would add the (x) on FR like they do on Facebook so I could get rid of all mormon posts showing on my “wall”.


5 posted on 01/16/2011 6:11:38 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: All

Those who do not watch the Video talk but just regurgitate without substance speaks for itself!


6 posted on 01/16/2011 6:15:47 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
By their fruits shall you know them.


7 posted on 01/16/2011 6:30:57 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: restornu

YOu mean the book that has over 3000 substantive changes; and the Millet who instructed BYU students to lie to prospective Mormon converts?


8 posted on 01/16/2011 6:47:22 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: restornu

You assume much here. Could you possibly conceive that people have watched the video and come away with the conclusions they post.
I would venture to say anyone founded in the Word of God watched the video and found it to be lacking.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 7:02:51 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: SeaHawkFan

So you dismiss the counsel in the NT and wish to call it a lie!

***

1 Peter 2

1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb. 5
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 8:15:06 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

I do not dismiss the counsel in the NT:

2 Peter 2:1-3 (New International Version, ©2010)

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 8:33:04 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: restornu

Trying to recruit new converts posting that video?

The Book of Mormon has been tested by many experts in various fields and not one will attest to that which it claims. In FACT they state it’s a fairy tale story made up in the mind of Joseph Smith as what is written of it’s History has nothing to support the places, people, time and events. Only Mormons believe this nonsense.


12 posted on 01/16/2011 8:45:46 AM PST by caww
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To: Elsie; All
The original statement from bro Millet on how to deal with opposition such as this one by an anti Mormon

"Anti-Mormons..."
1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."
incomplete statements edited by Elsie

The whole statement as said by bro Millet

“We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions, I have not had all my questions answered, the Lord hasn’t chosen to do that, He probably hasn’t answered all of yours. Nor are we obligated to answer everyone else’s question.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 9:04:27 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

Thanks for the great post!


14 posted on 01/16/2011 9:12:18 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: caww

“Only Mormons believe this nonsense”

I believe that many Mormons don’t believe it either. They just don’t know a way out.


15 posted on 01/16/2011 9:18:11 AM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: SeaHawkFan

do not dismiss the counsel in the NT:

2 Peter 2:1-3 (New International Version, ©2010)

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

***

You have not answered the question on milk and meat you have changed the subject!

___

...thank you for posting that for I say the Tradition of men of Constantine in 325 AD were political clergy “false prophets secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them!”

These men were NOT called of God but called by the Pagan murder Constantine!


16 posted on 01/16/2011 9:22:44 AM PST by restornu
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To: caww

“Trying to recruit new converts posting that video?”

***

Did you listen to the video!

LOL maybe that happens in your faith but things of the Lord is witness by the Power of the Holy Ghost!

“The Book of Mormon has been tested by many experts in various fields and not one will attest to that which it claims.”

experts of the temporal world is not the final word...


17 posted on 01/16/2011 9:47:37 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

The Bishops of Nicea were very orthodox and correctly taught the Catholic Faith they received from Sacred Scripture and Tradition.
Joseph Smith is just another false teacher that the Bible says will arise and lead many astray. The Church did not need to be restored, Jesus gave His Word the gates of hell would not prevail against it and He is not capable of deceiving!


18 posted on 01/16/2011 10:13:39 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Constantine: The 13th Apostle

The Bishops of Nicea were very orthodox and correctly taught the Catholic Faith they received from Sacred Scripture and Tradition.

***

They were not called of God they were called by the Pagan Murder Constantine.

the Nicene Creed was etched in chaos

As time went on Constantine should become ever more involved with the Christian church. He appeared at first to have very little grasp of the basic beliefs governing Christian faith. But gradually he must have become more acquainted with them. So much so that he sought to resolve theological disputes among the church itself.

In this role he summoned the bishops of the western provinces to Arelate (Arles) in AD 314, after the so-called Donatist schism had split the church in Africa.

If this willingness to resolve matters through peaceful debate showed one side of Constantine, then his brutal enforcement of the decisions reached at such meetings showed the other.

Following the decision of the council of bishops at Arelate, donatist churches were confiscated and the followers of this branch of Christianity were brutally repressed.

Evidently Constantine was also capable of persecuting Christians, if they were deemed to be the 'wrong type of Christians'.

Constantine: The 13th Apostle (Who used Christianity to get gain a massive empire

Many Anti Mormons embraced the vision story of Constantine there is no announcement This is my beloved Son here him?

Constantine: The 13th Apostle

The use of a physical cross as a sign and symbol emerged gradually in the development of Christian practices.

While the theology of the cross is taught by Paul and the sign of the cross for baptism and protection is reported fairly early, the use of a physical cross rarely appears before the fourth century.(1)

At that time, two events involving Constantine led to the use of a physical cross or cross form by the state, the emerging church, and Christians.

19 posted on 01/16/2011 11:01:51 AM PST by restornu
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To: Correct
Many Anti Mormons embraced the vision story of Constantine there is no announcement This is my beloved Son here hear him?
20 posted on 01/16/2011 11:05:36 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

Is this vanity your Opus, Resty ???


21 posted on 01/16/2011 11:41:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

do you know why you see little evidence of the cross before the 4th century??? the Church was underground for the most part and didn’t have the opportunity to openly dsiplay their faith, if they did, it could nean their life!


22 posted on 01/16/2011 11:51:36 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: restornu
 

Robert L. Millet; he who is built upon the rock will we receive this work with gladness.

Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet

 
 
 
Not by ME!
 
I let the man SPEAK FOR HIMSELF!!
 




Professor Robert Millet       
teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004 
 http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 

23 posted on 01/16/2011 11:53:20 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 

Robert L. Millet; he who is built upon the rock will we receive this work with gladness.

Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet

 
 
 
Not by ME!
 
I let the man SPEAK FOR HIMSELF!!
 




This is what Robert Millet, former Dean of Religious Education at BYU and spokesperson for the Church in conversations between an evangelical and a Mormon said about the Mormon religion.    In his book Alive in Christ: The Miracle of Spiritual Rebirth, (p. 140)   Millet stated,
 
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is absolutely indispensable to our salvation.
No supposed personal relationship with Jesus, no commitment to the gospel,
no high level of Christian conduct in society can compensate for what is to be found in the Church."
 

24 posted on 01/16/2011 11:54:48 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

“the use of a physical cross NEVER appears” on a mormon building...

Just why is that ???

or is this also a Robert Millet moment ???


25 posted on 01/16/2011 11:55:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
 

Robert L. Millet; he who is built upon the rock will we receive this work with gladness.

Much has been said and demeaning about bro Millet

 
 
 
Not by ME!
 
I let the man SPEAK FOR HIMSELF!!
 




"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
(Galatians 3:26-29).

Brother Robert L. Millet commented on the above verse:

"Paul is here teaching a mighty truth that is little understood in the religious world. We know that the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are entitled to 'the promises made unto the fathers' (Romans 15:8)—the right to receive the gospel, the priesthood, and, upon faithful obedience, the fulness of eternal life (Abraham 2:8-11). These blessings are made available through receipt of the ordinances of salvation, especially the ordinance of celestial marriage, performed only in holy temples."

 (Alive in Christ: The Miracle of Spiritual Rebirth, 78 - 79)

 


 
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26 posted on 01/16/2011 11:57:15 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
The Book of Mormon is not on trial it is the people and the members of today and how they treat and what they do with the Book of Mormon.

True.
It lost the trial it was in long ago; and now is serving a life sentence.

27 posted on 01/16/2011 11:58:41 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FrankR
I wish they would add the (x) on FR like they do on Facebook so I could get rid of all mormon posts showing on my “wall”.

Hint:

Don't click on them...

28 posted on 01/16/2011 11:59:34 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 
 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
 
 

 
 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.


29 posted on 01/16/2011 12:04:04 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FrankR
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

30 posted on 01/16/2011 12:06:30 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I think rather that it cut its own throat in a blood atonemnt and bled out...


31 posted on 01/16/2011 12:07:49 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
"“We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions, I have not had all my questions answered, the Lord hasn’t chosen to do that, He probably hasn’t answered all of yours. Nor are we obligated to answer everyone else’s question.", he replied, smarmily.


MORMONism:

A theological bait-and-switch game, which makes it's followers so smug and superior [”We’re better than those (fill-in-the-blank)”]

32 posted on 01/16/2011 12:09:24 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

excellent verses to defeat 19th century inventions.


33 posted on 01/16/2011 12:09:50 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: PeachyKeen
I believe that many Mormons don’t believe it either. They just don’t know a way out.

Whether they BELIEVE it or not; they canNOT defend it!

Watch for PD's List-o-links®...

34 posted on 01/16/2011 12:10:47 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
You have not answered the question on milk and meat you have changed the subject!

Are you talking about YOUR posting of un reliable SCRIPTURE?

35 posted on 01/16/2011 12:11:52 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
These men were NOT called of God but called by the Pagan murder Constantine!

Are we supposed to play DEFENSE now?

36 posted on 01/16/2011 12:12:30 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
the Nicene Creed was etched in chaos
 
 
 
The First Vision® appears to have been 'etched' in Silly Putty!
 




 FIRST VISION:VARIOUS VERSIONS OF VISIONS
 
Version Number 
When  Published 
Brief Description
Age 
Year
Pillar  
of  light
 No. of 
Person- 
ages
Father 
Present
Son 
Present
Question: 
Join What 
Sect?
Remarks-References 
 
1. Official version,  written 1838,
 first  Published 1842
 (There are minor differences between the various source references,
Ensign  Jan 1985, page 14) 
   14

  1820
   yes         2 
yes 

Both spoke  
 
yes  
 
Join none 
Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sophronia join the Presbyterian Church - JSH, pages 49-50, 1981 edition;
Times & Seasons, March, April 1842;
Ensign Jan. 1985, page 14;
Joseph Smith's First Vision by
Milton V. Backamn, Bookcraft, 1971, 1980, Appendix C, page 160f 
2. Dictated by Smith to F.G. Williams, Summer to Nov. 1832  14 or 15     yes  
 
      1      no  
 
yes 

Saw Lord,

He  "spoke"

No question,
told "None doeth good",
sins forgiven 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appendix A, page 155f 
 
 
 
3. Written by Smith,
his 1832 diary,
in his own hand
 15  
 
   yes  
 
      1  
 
   no  
 
yes 

Saw the Lord Jesus  Christ

No question,
 told sins forgiven,
all do no good 
Ensign, Dec. 1984, pages 24-26; ibid, Jan. 1985, page 11
4. Smith's diary of 1835,
recorded by
Warren Cowdery,
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Smith with Joshua
About 
14 
yes  
 
One, then another like unto first 
 ?  
     ? 
Second spoke, saw  many angels
No questions,
told sins forgiven,
Jesus is Son 
Joseph Smith's First Vision, Appen. B 
5. Letter form Smith to
John Wentworth,
editor of Chicago Democrat
none  
   no  
       2 

They spoke
     ?  
 
No Question  
 
Joseph Smith's  First Vision, Appendix D;
Ensign, Jan 1985, page 16;
Times & Seasons, Vol  3, pages 706-707, March 1, 1842
6. Early church leaders
Brigham Young, G.A.Smith,
John Taylor 
   15  
 
   no  
 
        1 
Saw an angel, and asked the angel
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   no 
 
 
 
 
 
   Join none 
 
 
 
 
 
See Journal of Discourses,
  2:17;
18:239;
13:77, 78;
20:167;
12:333, 334.
 
web/firvista.html 
5-11-95, Rev 8-8-98
 
John Farkas,     Berean Christian Ministries, P.O. Box 1091, Webster, N.Y. 14580



37 posted on 01/16/2011 12:15:19 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
At that time, two events involving Constantine led to the use of a physical cross or cross form by the state, the emerging church, and Christians.

"We will form our OWN nation; and call it 'DESERET'!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret

38 posted on 01/16/2011 12:17:15 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
As well as 1st- 18th ones...

and 20th- 21st ones, too!

39 posted on 01/16/2011 12:20:16 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo_Legion


40 posted on 01/16/2011 12:24:29 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
“the use of a physical cross NEVER appears” on a mormon building...

Just why is that ???

or is this also a Robert Millet moment ???

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First of all it was the Pagan Murder Constantine around 325 AD who was the first to use the physical symbol of the Cross NEVER before that time.

Secondly the reason is the LDS celebrate the living Christ that He the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ and that He lives. Jesus conquer all!

The Heavnely Father showed the Son Jesus Christ the way, and the only begotten Son Jesus Christ came to show Man the only way!

John 5

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

41 posted on 01/16/2011 12:31:36 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
“We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions, I have not had all my questions answered, the Lord hasn’t chosen to do that, He probably hasn’t answered all of yours. Nor are we obligated to answer everyone else’s question.

I'd like to see an answer to any question. How about how many wives did Joseph Smith have?

42 posted on 01/16/2011 12:32:09 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Please do not confuse her with reality.


43 posted on 01/16/2011 12:33:55 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: restornu

more false teaching, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God, but three distinct persons, all equal. The Son is not subortinate to the Father. He did leave his glory in heaven, when He became man, but He never ceased being fully God. He did not become a “god”, read John 1.


44 posted on 01/16/2011 12:40:30 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: restornu
You keep referring to Constantine as a murder. Wiki says: the emperor who used his government to empower Christianity throughout the Roman Empire. What I find intriguing is that you do not refer to Brigham Young and Joseph Smith as murders or adulators or thieves or liars or child rapists or scam artists.....to name a few of their attributes.
45 posted on 01/16/2011 12:41:14 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: restornu

“Christ came to show man the way” WRONG!! Christ is the way! He came for one reason only, to die on the cross as an atonement for sin. It is thru faith in that Sacrifice we are reconciled to the Father.


46 posted on 01/16/2011 12:44:30 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: svcw
Yes the sorted world is always interested in...

the sorted world has a hard time staying focus precept by precept, here a little there a little (milk)!

the sorted world sences has been dulled by too much (meat) indigestion...


47 posted on 01/16/2011 12:50:34 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

why don’t you answer his question, wiki has 27, is that correct?


48 posted on 01/16/2011 12:54:31 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Christ came to show man the way” WRONG!! Christ is the way!

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Jesus Christ came to show Man the ONLY way

Stop omitting and playing with words!


49 posted on 01/16/2011 12:55:34 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

you are correct, i missed the “only”, but it doesn’t change my point. Jesus came to voluntarily give up His life as a Sacrifice for sin, this is the only reason He became man. That Sacrifice was accomplished on the cross, that is why the cross is a symbol of Christianity, without the cross, we would all still be dead in our sins!!


50 posted on 01/16/2011 1:00:51 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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