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A World In Revolt...Psalm 2
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/a-world-in-revolt-psalm-2/ ^ | 01-21-10 | Bill Randles

Posted on 01/21/2011 3:01:25 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

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To: Netizen

This is what that Book has un-covered..The Gospel of Mark has been recorded in part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Gospel of Matthew was written within a few years of Jesus’s death and resurrection..The accounts were an eye witness to
Christ..The language Jesus spoke was Hebrew and Aramaic he conversed with the Pharisees, as well as speaking Aramaic to people outside of Jerusalem....

There is no record at all that says a Gentile was involved in writng the Gospels...


61 posted on 01/24/2011 8:36:41 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Netizen

Jewish Apocalyptic Writings:
The “Dead Sea Scrolls”
OF THE JERUSALEM TEMPLE, ZEALOTS & PELLA-BOUND CHRISTIANS

“7Q5 = Mark 6:52-53”

http://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/DeadSeaScrolls/7Q5_mark.html

<< Mark 6:52 >>
For they considered not [the miracle] of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.

Mark 8:17 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked them: “Why are you talking about having no bread? Do you still not see or understand? Are your hearts hardened?

Mark 8:21 He said to them, “Do you still not understand?”


62 posted on 01/24/2011 8:42:03 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Angels can become physical because they are finite.

“[B]efore committing to the path of the Torah, the non-Jew’s intellectual sefirot are subordinate to the emotional/behavioral ones. Or, in other words, the non-Jew is innately earthbound. It is exactly to correct this estrangement from all that is Divine and heavenly in nature, that the seven Laws of Bnei Noach were given.

A non-Jew that commits to the Bnei Noach commandments, experiences a refinement of the seven emotional/behavioral powers within the soul. The individual’s physical aspect will begin to serve his or her intellect, and this makes it possible to see through the three uppermost levels of the soul and envision the One.

Simultaneously, by adopting the seven Laws of Bnei Noach, the individual reaches the understanding that rectification comes only with subservience to the Torah and as defined by its parameters; this, as opposed to the notion that an untamed desire to ascend spiritually is what brings one closer to God. It is then possible to truly comprehend that God has created a world full of opposites in order that they may consciously be united by all people, thereby revealing God’s ultimate Oneness.

When all this happens—and quite often it happens most suddenly—a non-Jew experiences a profound spiritual transformation. But when it does not (and indeed a non-Jew is likely to neglect his or her God-commanded obligations), he or she remains unable to apprehend God’s true unity, and is apt to fall into idolatry. This often manifests itself in a distorted worship of some sort—such as the stars, nature, yogis, the pantheon of “gods,” money, etc. All are forms of idolatry which can be defined as the worship of anything or anyone other than the One God. Even the seemingly innocuous modern day movie stars, music stars, and sports stars all contribute to distorting one’s ability to commit to worshiping the Almighty.”

- Rabbi Yitzchak Ginzburg
Kabbalah and Meditation for the Nations
Chapter 3: The Mystical Symbolism of the Seven Laws of Bnei Noach, part 2


63 posted on 01/24/2011 8:44:57 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: TaraP; blasater1960; jjotto
The one that I find so profound has to do with the woman caught in Adultery..

The religious leaders thought they could trip Jesus up on the Law, when they brought the woman caught in the Act of Adultery to him....

The scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

JOHN 8

Hate to tell you this, but John 8:1-11 are spurious. They are later insertions, they did NOT exist in the earliest manuscripts.

So much for profound.

64 posted on 01/24/2011 8:47:30 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP

What does this have to do with anything?????


65 posted on 01/24/2011 8:54:08 PM PST by Netizen
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To: hlmencken3

Thank you for posting that.


66 posted on 01/24/2011 9:00:19 PM PST by Netizen
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To: hlmencken3

All people have fallen into idolatry wether Jew or Gentile...

Another problem I have is with who you say is a Non-jew? I have jews in my family, I have friends who are Jewish by both parents but don’t believe in G-d...I know a Jewish person who turned to Buddhism..I know many Jews who are Messianic, so it seems that claim can not be isolated to who’s who in my opinion....

I appreciate your comments, but I don’t find anything you have written in Scripture or Torah? If I have missed something, please direct me to scripture validating your claims...

I agree anybody worshipping some other than 1 G-d creator of Heaven and Earth falls into idolatry....

But I would like to ask you, if Angels are finite, why didn’t G-d just destroy them and Lucifer when they rebelled in the Divine Realms?


67 posted on 01/24/2011 9:04:39 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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If we go back to the time of the flood, when all the wicked perished and only the family of Noah survived, all the people that survived at that time were gentiles. The covenant made at that time, in Genesis 9, is known as the Noahic Covenant, and was for all people.

Later at Sinai another covenant was made, this time with those that became the Israelites. This covenant consisted of the same things as the Noahic covenant, but it had additional commandments as well. These additional commandments pertained to the Israelites because they were to be a light unto the nations. They were to be an example to the gentiles. The Israelites were to be a Holy nation. The extra commandments pertained to dietary guidelines for purity, they also contained commandments for their ‘priesthood’, and Sabbath keeping.

Now, back to Noah and his family. As people dispersed, they took the Noahic Covenant with them. This is why we see so many similarities between so many religions of the world. There are differences too. These differences are what we call today ‘traditions of man’. Remove these differences, and focus on the similarities and you find 3 things.

1. Belief in G-d

2. Instructions in moral conduct (we know them as the 10 commandments, but other religions call them other things, such as the 10 fold path, the negative confessions, the precious garland, the 10 charges, etc.)

3. The Golden rule, or Royal rule. We know this as ‘do unto others’.

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence. (Confucianism - Mencius VII.A.4 )

Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. (Christianity - Bible, Matthew 7:12)

Tsekung asked, “Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?” Confucius replied, “It is the word shu—reciprocity: Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.” (Confucianism - Analects 15.23)

Confucious predates Yehoshua (Jesus) by about 500 years.

Baptism is a man made tradition. G-d knows your heart, your every thought. He knows if you belong to Him or not. He doesn’t need baptism, an outward sign to know if you love Him. Your actions and thoughts will tell him all He needs to know.

There is One G-d, not two, not three. One.

G-d didn’t expect us to be ‘perfect’. He knew that we would at times fail. This is why He gave us repentance and prayer. When you fall, get back up, acknowledge your shortcoming and strive to do better next time. G-d forgives as often as necessary, all we have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness.

Proverbs 24
16 For a righteous man falleth seven times, and riseth up again, but the wicked stumble under adversity.

G-d/YHWH is our savior, there is no other. We do NOT need a mediator, G-d knows our hearts and thought before we even think them.

Be good to people, especially those in need. Help others.

It isn’t about labels. G-d didn’t give a name to the faith He wanted people to practice. He simply asked us to obey His instructions. Those instructions are more important than any label. You either belong to G-d, or you don’t.

When a gentile strays from the Noahic covenant, they stray back into paganism, but, they can return to G-d at any time.

In Jeremiah YHWH promises the descendants of Israel (who, through captivity, exile, and intermarriage with Gentiles became assimilated and inculturated Gentiles today) that they will find “grace in the wilderness” (verse 2).

They returned to YHWH.

The thing about the Noahic and Mosaic Covenants is that they are bound together by their Commandments, they complement each other, they strive for the same goal.

Yehoshua was Jewish. He was not ever a Christian.


68 posted on 01/24/2011 9:10:58 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP
Another problem I have is with who you say is a Non-jew? I have jews in my family, I have friends who are Jewish by both parents but don’t believe in G-d...I know a Jewish person who turned to Buddhism..I know many Jews who are Messianic, so it seems that claim can not be isolated to who’s who in my opinion....

That's because you are not separating Jewish the faith from Jewish the bloodline.

Maybe this will help a little.

These are the various types of people we are dealing with in the first century.


69 posted on 01/24/2011 9:16:16 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Netizen

So let me put this simply if I can...

You see alot of *legalism* with the relationship between Mankind and G-d?

Does *works* enable *Man* to boast? Meaning one man can say I know G-d better or I have better favor with G-d because of my legalistic and spiritualistic knowledge and behavior of G-d?

Do you see Mankind spending an infinite time always trying to please G-d?


70 posted on 01/24/2011 9:22:01 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Of course not. By trying to keep His instructions we can be closer.

There is a mark of G-d, just as there is a mark of the beast. The mark of G-d is his Torah, Divine instruction.


71 posted on 01/24/2011 9:28:17 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP
Do you see Mankind spending an infinite time always trying to please G-d?

Yes, that is why Yehosua told people to repent, to keep G-d's commandments.

Matthew 3
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 3:
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

What sort of fruits do you think he meant? Bananas, apple? WORKS!

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matthew 11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Mark 6
11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

72 posted on 01/24/2011 9:33:08 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP
Do you yourself believe G-d can take on the appearance of a *human Being*?

Numbers 23
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


73 posted on 01/24/2011 9:39:44 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Netizen

You know I have been reading all your posts, and something came to me that I would like to share with you.....

I speak on another site with many people who have abandoned G-d faith and religion and are really hostile to G-d, they blame religion for all the hate and War in the world, they could care less about Israel, and one of the main things they constantly tell me, is that the G-d of the Old testament is Cruel, Evil and hates people, as I always bring in the love of Christ, his Gospel teachings and his love of trying to reconcile Sinners to a Holy Just G-d.

YET:
They always throw scripture at me how YAWEH killed babies and children in Noah’s flood, how GOD has been punishing the Jews by letting them spend 40 years in the Wilderness, they go on about the Canaanites and on and on about the Monster they think the G-d is off the Old Testament.

They say many Atheist and Secular people do good things and do not need a G-d to be a decent human being and do the right thing, and other writings have taught on the Ten Commandments like the Code of Hammurabi ...

You seem to be or have a very legalistic idea of G-d as someone who just wants *Obedience* lastly you said: The thing about the Noahic and Mosaic Covenants is that they are bound together by their Commandments, they complement each other, they strive for the same goal.

What is that goal? and when will that goal finally be completed?


74 posted on 01/24/2011 9:40:20 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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What is that goal? and when will that goal finally be completed?

That goal is spiritual perfection as hlmencken3 mentioned, and someday, yeah I think it will.

By your own admission, the G-d of the OT is NOT the same as the god of the NT. That should tell you something. Things/people that are impure cannot be in G-d's presence. That's why we have to keep trying to improve ourselves.

Luke 18
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

First off, Jesus is pointing out that he is NOT G-d. Second, keep the commandments.

75 posted on 01/24/2011 9:51:41 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Netizen

Maybe we can see it this way...

The OT- Is Man’s Attempt to please GOD

The GOSPEL- Is GOD reaching down to Mankind...

One thing I have learned everyone will see the G-d the way they want and that is not going to change anytime soon...

It was nice chatting with you this evening...

:)


76 posted on 01/24/2011 10:03:27 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP
....I find nothing in Genesis 18 that says Abraham was talking to someone with no form????

No...I guess i wasnt clear. G-d never appears in a form (Deut 4) because people would then worship the form and that is EXACTLY what G-d wants to never have happen. NEVER WORSHIP A FORM.

77 posted on 01/24/2011 10:08:57 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: TaraP

Yes, maybe tomorrow you can come back and actually address several of my posts to you.


78 posted on 01/24/2011 10:16:40 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP
The GOSPEL- Is GOD reaching down to Mankind...

More like the Torah is YHWH reaching down to mankind.

79 posted on 01/24/2011 11:53:11 PM PST by Netizen
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To: TaraP

I really can’t think of any response to someone who thinks angels are infinite beings!

Except maybe, “Look up the definition of ‘infinite’ in a dictionary”?


80 posted on 01/25/2011 6:25:07 AM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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