Skip to comments.Rick Warren Teams up with Swedenborg Cult Follower Dr. Oz
Posted on 01/21/2011 4:08:13 PM PST by Gamecock
On January 15, Rick Warren will kick-off a 52-week Daniel Plan to become healthier with Dr. Mehmet Oz, a follower of cult leader Emmanuel Swedenborg.
According to Warren's website, his church will host a 52-week course to stress losing weight and becoming healthier. The kick-off event will include Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Daniel Amen, and Dr. Mark Hyman. All three have Eastern spiritual connections.
Dr. Mehmert Oz is a follower of Emmanuel Swedenborg according to The New Church website. He has appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show and is Professor of Cardiac Surgery at Columbia University.
He is inspired by Emmanuel Swedenborg, a cult leader who died in 1772 in Sweden. Swedenborgianism has up to 50,000 members worldwide according to the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry website. They deny the atonement, the trinity, and the deity of the Holy Spirit.
They believe all religions lead to God and that Christianity must go through a rebirth. Also, they do not believe in a personal devil. They believe the Bible is not inspired and that when people die, they become an angel or an evil spirit.
Emmanuel Swedenborg had a vision in 1745 where he supposedly saw creatures crawling on the walls. He believed God then appeared to him as a man and told him that he would be the person to promote the new teachings to the world.
The other two speakers are Dr. Daniel Amen and Dr. Mark Hyman. Dr. Amen teaches tantric sex, a Hindu mystical approach to sex. He teaches Eastern religion meditation and energy-based Reiki, a New Age practice. Dr. Mark Hyman promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles.
Christian Investigator President Steve McConkey says, "It is troubling for a top pastor in the United States to promote false teachers. We are living at an all-time low spiritually in the United States with weak leaders. We need to teach basic Bible principles without legalism."
“Swedenborg had a vision in 1745 where he supposedly saw creatures crawling on the walls”
Early LSD from bad rye bread?
One has to wonder how long before Rick’s “church” will kick him out.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6
Quite a contrast. This Jesus fellow seems to define things pretty narrowly. Either belief A is right and belief B is wrong. Or, belief B is right and belief A is wrong. Or, belief A and B are both wrong. But belief A and belief B cannot both be right.
why not a 52 week plan to become holy.
Nah. Wouldn’t make money.
Oz, Amen and Hyman?
Why bother with a comment? The joke has already been played.
Ok, if I have to make a comment. It’s so Oprah.
I suppose Jesus died on the cross so we can lose weight. < /sarc>
According to Warren's website, his church will host a 52-week course to stress losing weight and becoming healthier.
Basically, they want people to be malnourished either by following Daniel 1 (no meat) or Daniel 10 (fasting)
According to the Scriptures...
Daniel 1:15 "And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat."
Change an 'a' to an 'i' - fatter becomes fitter, mix in some New Age in you have your modern Apostasy
1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons...and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
How sad, they recommend a diet that made Daniel and his friends fatter and they tell you to lose weight and abstain from eating meat...
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink..." (Col 2:18)
Swedenborg had a vision in 1745 where he supposedly saw creatures crawling on the walls
Early LSD from bad rye bread?
Ja. My thought was "we know what causes that now."
Swedeonborg was not a cult leader, he had visions about the nature of the afterlife and wrote about them, prior to that he was a renowned scientist who wrote a lot of scientific material. As far as I know he did not establish a church, those who read his works and believed in them established the Swedenborg Church after he died.
Whether you believe his visions were real or not, they appear to be more than just DT’s or hallucinations, they appear to be more more along the lines of an extended near death experience since similar visions have also been reported by people who have had a near death experience.
They may all be insane though, who knows. My father had a near death experience during and after a car crash and that brought him out of his Pantheism to a belief in a personal
God. If they are hallucinations, they are certainly very powerful ones, and in his case, a very beneficial one. He was MUCH happier afteward.
LOL! Sad but true.
“Jesus died so you could get a new BMW”
“Jesus died so I could fawn over Islam & Obama plus get rich”
“Jesus died so I could pay Phillip Johnson (renowned architect) a boat load of money to design the Crystal Cathedral.”
Of course he's starting a 52 week program ~ some kind of program ~ he's a program sort of guy eh.
On the other hand, I think this is our MORMON THREAD OF THE WEEK.
Many serious analysts have argued that Joseph Smith pretty much taught the Swedenborg point of view ~ plus some other things ~ but most of the modern Mormon belief system (as counseled by the test of time) is pretty much consistent with all the main parts of Swedenborgianism.
Others argue that Mormonism looks an awful lot like Free Masonry, but that's usually because they've never looked into Br'r Swedenborg!
Once you've done that you'll never go back to the Masonic model for guidance in the matter.
Frankly, I have not looked into the Swedenborg movement enough to figure out if it's just another quasi-Christian group based on a cult of personality centered on this Swedenborg guy, or another Arian revival, or simply some left-over Gnostic mutterings, or maybe a fairly straight forward precursor to what became known as the Mormon movement.
As with the Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born, or its partner, the Church of the First Born and the General Assembly (or Faith Assembly, or a dozen other related groups), Swedenborgianism has some Scandinavian connections.
Anyone who ever watched "The Immigrants" with Liv Ullman would quickly realize that friction existed between the state church in Sweden and individuals who had interests in something a bit more freeform (unspoken was the probable use of traditional household gods such as Thor, Odin, Little Red Man, and Herb Woman).
By the time 1812 came around and the Swedes had to give up Finland to the Czar (and withdraw their forces from the Continent) the North Country all the way to Central China was in a fullblown drought/famine/disaster of Biblical Proportions!
Immigration out of Scandinavia to America began with a vengeance. Millions of people fled the area over the next 40 years ~ literally depopulating vast areas formerly given over to dairy farming and rye! The droughts, crop failures and famines continued to occur over the next half century all over Europe.
Well over a hundred million Americans have an ancestor who came in that ultimately vast volkswandering.
Here with the very first Great Famine of the 1800s the followers of Swedenborg actually led the way. At the same time many of them went first to an area of New York state purchased by a mysterious gentleman named Count Beaumont ~ one of Napoleon's agents. The Swedish nobles formerly resident in Finland had sold what they could and fled to a number of spots in America, along with the Swedenborgians, and Napoleon's own family members.
Within 20 years Joseph Smith announced he'd found some gold plates. Well, he announced some other things as well, but the big thing for most commenters was his gold plates claim.
Joseph began his ministry right there in the midst of an area with several times anyone's fair share of Swedenborgians.
Now I'm not saying there's a tight connection here where Swedenborgianism flows directly into Mormon theory and practice, but there is certainly a very strong hint of a KOINKYDINK, and ultimately I think history researchers will find out how it's all hooked together.
Maybe Rick Warren will give us a sermon on the matter!
One has to wonder how long before Ricks church will kick him out.
Ain't gonna happen.
There's gotta' be a reason for that.
I prefer my rye made into whiskey!
Didn’t Rick Warren have a fairly recent “near death experience” when his church had a cash flow issue and he had to hit the congregation up for a tidy sum?
Dr. Oz is a charlatan but Rick probably sees an untapped market with him.
Warren is not a real pastor.