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Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism {Catholic caucus}
News Real Blog ^ | 14-Jan-2011 | Lisa Graas

Posted on 01/23/2011 1:59:24 AM PST by Cronos

Peter Cardinal Turkson, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has a message for Catholics in America, particularly those involved in social justice ministry, that could put a damper on the political machinations of the Shadow Party.

The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.” This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching on hot-button issues involving massive government entitlement programs and other forms of overreach. If nothing else, it will almost certainly jump-start the “social justice” debate among Catholics. Cardinal Turkson, you see, is scheduled to deliver the plenary address at the 2011 Catholic Social Ministry Gathering in February.

It would be useful if we just observed our sense of justice as our ability to fulfill the demands of the relationships in which we stand.

This is in contrast to socialism, he explained, which is an ideology in which private property and private interests are totally placed in the service of government policies. What the Pope proposes in ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ said Cardinal Turkson, is ‘achieving the common good without sacrificing personal, private interests, aspirations and desires.’

Cardinal Turkson said the Council was also surprised that the Pope’s concept of the ‘gift,’ was perceived in some circles as encouraging government welfare handouts. In ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ Pope Benedict described the concept of “gift” as a way to understand God’s love for men and women in his gift of life and his gift of Jesus.
Whether he intended to or not, Cardinal Turkson has now echoed what many conservative Catholics in America have been calling for repeatedly — subsidiarity in economic policy. More importantly, the Cardinal observes the heart of the matter in noting that a ‘handout’ and a ‘gift’ are not at all the same, with the latter being more in keeping with the Gospel message.

One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.
You may remember that Pope John Paul II worked closely with President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to bring down communism in the Soviet Union and Marxist governments in Latin America. With the worldwide Left now in such kinship with Islam, and with no modern-day Reagan or Thatcher in sight, Pope Benedict XVI certainly has his work cut out for him. If they recognize that America has become polarized, perhaps America’s Catholic bishops will bite the bullet and commit themselves to following in the footsteps of the just-beatified Pope John Paul II…to morally undermine the Left as he morally undermined the Soviet Union.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: catholic; church; religiousleft; social; socialis; socialism; socialjustice
This is a Catholic Caucus thread ONLY

What the Pope proposes in “Caritas in Veritate,” said Cardinal Turkson, is "achieving the common good without sacrificing personal, private interests, aspirations and desires."

"If we ever need to talk about this in a society where the sense of gift is that of a handout ... it doesn't quite express the sense of gift in this regard," he added.

Another important message, Cardinal Turkson said, is that “we must not sacrifice the good of the human person for anything that we aspire after or want to do with technology, business, economics or whatever."
1 posted on 01/23/2011 1:59:30 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Praise the Lord, I hope the Catholic Church in America will embrace these words.

These words are truly guided by the Holy Spirit. I have been praying for this for years.

I wish it was absolutely clear to the laymen and given as an order. You don’t serve the Lord by encouraging others to steal from others in order to hand it out to others while preserving a cut for the thieves/yourself.


2 posted on 01/23/2011 2:07:28 AM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
I wish it was absolutely clear to the laymen and given as an order.

So do I
3 posted on 01/23/2011 2:25:43 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: dila813

Well the first step would be to dissolve the USCCB, which has functioned as an arm of the Democrat (Socialist) Party. It still endeavors to instruct the Federal government to engage in ever more wealth redistribution.


4 posted on 01/23/2011 2:42:42 AM PST by wiley
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To: Cronos; Joe 6-pack

I’m so delighted to have come upon this thread. Thanks for posting it.


5 posted on 01/23/2011 2:46:49 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: definitelynotaliberal; Judith Anne; wagglebee; ArrogantBustard; Running On Empty; impimp1
You're welcome, what struck me most was this
One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.

6 posted on 01/23/2011 2:57:42 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos
Peter Cardinal Turkson - My choice for the last pope!
7 posted on 01/23/2011 4:04:37 AM PST by Errant
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To: Cronos

“With the worldwide Left now in such kinship with Islam, and with no modern-day Reagan or Thatcher in sight, Pope Benedict XVI certainly has his work cut out for him. If they recognize that America has become polarized, perhaps America’s Catholic bishops will bite the bullet and commit themselves to following in the footsteps of the just-beatified Pope John Paul II…to morally undermine the Left as he morally undermined the Soviet Union.”

That’s a fascinating topic for further research and contemplation!


8 posted on 01/23/2011 4:33:06 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Cronos

Thank you from my heart for posting this thread.

I had just about given up on coming on this forum-—until I saw this.

At last the Church’s position about the law of subsidiarity is coming to the foreground—in God’s good timing when it’s most needed.

How necessary also is the truth about this Pope-—the truth which exposes the lying propaganda that he is a socialist (or even Marxist).

Again, thank you, Cronos.

And God bless good Pope Benedict and Cardinal Turkson.


9 posted on 01/23/2011 4:45:53 AM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

No worries. And I think Pope Benedict is the opposite of a communist. His encyclical Caritas Veritate is all about the individual, caring for the individual. The communist view is that the individual is just a cog in the machine. That is NOT the Catholic viewpoint. Each person is a precious gift from God and we need to realise that in our interactions with our superior, subordinates, peers and the unfortunate.


10 posted on 01/23/2011 5:02:22 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos

Bookmarked for later.


11 posted on 01/23/2011 6:09:53 AM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Cronos

Wow-a ray of hope. I’d all but given up on the Catholic Church. Do you think the US Bishops have read this information?


12 posted on 01/23/2011 6:13:28 AM PST by Pat4ever (2010-Flipped the House, White House is Next!)
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To: wiley

That’s not the only evil thing the USCCB has done. I agree it should be disbanded.


13 posted on 01/23/2011 7:53:20 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Cronos
“Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.”

Since socialism has already aggressively adopted the term as their own, perhaps it would be wiser to choose a different one.

14 posted on 01/23/2011 7:57:18 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Pat4ever; surroundedbyblue

If they haven’t, we should all write in to our bishops and tell ‘em or remind them or club them over the head with it.


15 posted on 01/23/2011 8:22:32 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

yes, I agree. However, do note that this is purely an AMerican English meaning — it doesn’t have the same connotations in British English, Indian English, Australian English etc


16 posted on 01/23/2011 8:25:05 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos
BTTT

Now if anyone actually hears it....

Nope..no evidence that they actually will.

When you push people to bow to men, report to men and the masses are lessor than certain men....they bow to and and depend on the dominance of imperfect men. This is the crux of socialism.

17 posted on 01/23/2011 8:34:02 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Cronos

WOW!! (Can a non-Catholic be allowed to interject that?)


18 posted on 01/23/2011 8:35:31 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Earthdweller

Actually, you and I have heard it and we can spread it around. We can push it to our parishes, to our church communities, to our dioceses, to our bishops. We can push the message from bottom up and let the Pope push from top down


19 posted on 01/23/2011 8:35:48 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: don-o

Of course, an Orthodox is always welcome. I didn’t make this a Catholic/Orthodox caucus as I thought this wouldn’t be of interest to you


20 posted on 01/23/2011 8:36:46 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos; Mrs. Don-o

This Orthodox, I guess as a result of living with (and listening to) a “ papist” has come to a great appreciation for my separated brethern and sistern and for the Cardinals and Bishops who do faithfully fulfill their ministry to encourage the sheep and dismay the wolves.


21 posted on 01/23/2011 8:42:26 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Cronos

Yahoooooooo!!!!

It’s about time. The American Catholic Church was infiltrated and perverted long ago by lefties. I’m glad to see the Vatican finally call them out on it. I bet Fr. Corapi is loving this!!

I’ve been praying for this and for an increase in vocations. From what I hear, the seminaries are loaded with old-school catholics who are preparing to lead us in the TRUE teachings of our faith! This is an exciting time, FRiends!!!


22 posted on 01/23/2011 11:22:31 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

AMEN.

Plus from what I have heard, it is the YOUNGER Catholics that are devout that are filling up the seminaries.


23 posted on 01/23/2011 1:18:55 PM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Running On Empty; Cronos
From Wikipedia (Link):

Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson (born 11 October 1948) is a Ghanaian Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church. He is the current president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace since his appointment by Pope Benedict XVI on 24 October 2009. He had previously served as Archbishop of Cape Coast. He was elevated to the cardinalate by Pope John Paul II in 2003.

[long snip]An accomplished polyglot, Turkson is able to speak English, Fante, French, Italian, German, and Hebrew, in addition to understanding Latin and Greek.

...Cardinal Turkson has said that "if God would wish to see a black man also as pope, thanks be to God".

24 posted on 01/23/2011 1:49:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (From your lips to God's ears.)
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To: Cronos
Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism {Catholic caucus}
Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism
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25 posted on 01/23/2011 1:59:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: don-o
Check this out, my dear Ortho-Beardo: I'm thinking "Yeah, we need THIS African, next time around."

#24

Odd thought popped into my head. Nostradamus says the next pope is supposed to be "Peter the Roman" (Petrus Romanus). This guy's name is Peter and he's a resident of Rome.

And t hat one's supposed to be the last pope.

Cue theme from Twilight Zone....

26 posted on 01/23/2011 2:02:27 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Even so, come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Good point, I have argued this myself.

When I asked this, there is a large group in the church that want to ignore “secular” society.


27 posted on 01/23/2011 6:16:12 PM PST by dila813
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I hope that we get a conservative Pope to follow Benedict. the strongest conservatives seem to be either Turkson or Arrize (both African) or Ivan Dias (Indian).


28 posted on 01/24/2011 12:47:41 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: cindy-true-supporter

ping! particularly the part about the principle of subsidiarity.


29 posted on 01/24/2011 9:25:44 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.

30 posted on 04/06/2011 5:51:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Greeks were artisans and Romans were engineers: adaptive, practical, indomitable engineers.)
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