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Rev. 13

Posted on 01/23/2011 10:39:01 AM PST by PENANCE

This is my first comment here, and it is unusual for me to post a religious comment anywhere, as I am a "Born Again Agnostic". My comment is intentionally vague, as I don't wish to say outright what I'm thinking on this particular topic. Feel free to interpret things as you will.


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Regarding Revelation 13:1-5

The Beast of Revelation may not be a man. It could instead be a Religion; the Church of The Beast, The Church of The Dragon, the Synagogue of Satan. The heads of The Beast could be seven major churches or synagogues of this religion; just as there were seven churches to which John wrote. Each Synagogue may represent one of Seven Sins: Blasphemy, Slavery, Tyranny, Power, Hubris, Rage, Evil; just as there are Seven Virtues*.

Each of these synagogues of The Church of the Beast would have an outward agent. Each Sin would have an outward representative. The Agent and the Representative are ONE PERSON. These "Agents" might represent the "Ten Horns" of The Beast -- i.e., the Church of The Beast.

Has the first "Half a Time" of the "Time, Times, and Half a Time"** mentioned in Daniel begun? Is this "Half a Time" the 42 months of Revelation 13:5 ?

**(I interpret it to possibly be a period of 17.5 years and NOT 3 years as some assert. With the first 3.5 years being both the first "Half a time" as well as the 42 months mentioned in Revelation 13:5)

* (The seven virtues are broken into seven minor (female?) and three major (male?), or Cardinal, Virtues. The minor virtues being forbearance, justice, fortitude, and wisdom; with the three Cardinal virtues, of course, being: Faith, Hope, and Charity.)

1 posted on 01/23/2011 10:39:01 AM PST by PENANCE
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To: PENANCE

If you are agnostic, why would you place any value on bible scripture?


2 posted on 01/23/2011 10:42:49 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: PENANCE

Watch what happens in 18 months.


3 posted on 01/23/2011 10:44:45 AM PST by Errant
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To: PENANCE

I try not to spend too much brain power on the inevitable, instead I would rather take action on things that I can change and to that end it would be changing the occupant in the White House, who is intentionally dismantling the pillars that make this nation great.


4 posted on 01/23/2011 10:44:57 AM PST by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)
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To: PENANCE
The Beast of Revelation may not be a man....

Nope. He's a man according to the Word of God.

Revelation 14:9-13 (King James Version):

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

5 posted on 01/23/2011 10:55:45 AM PST by 444Flyer ("The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." -Daniel Webster)
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To: PENANCE

Hmmm.... “born again agnostic”

Sounds sort of like a pregnant virgin... or an Angry Passivist... or a humble hypocrite.

No wonder you place the Body of Christ (churches) in the realm or role of the antichrist.

Up is down.... black is white... Good is Bad and Bad is good...

Looks like demoralizing propaganda to me.

No Thanks.


6 posted on 01/23/2011 10:57:59 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: PENANCE

OK Jared recreation time is over, Now turn off that computer and get back in your cell young man!


7 posted on 01/23/2011 11:00:45 AM PST by logitech
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To: Safrguns

Actually I think he is more af an agnostic theist, not an agnostic atheist not to be confused with a gnostic theist.


8 posted on 01/23/2011 11:03:11 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: Safrguns

A true oxymoron would be an gnostic atheist.


9 posted on 01/23/2011 11:05:31 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: PENANCE

I always thought the Roman empire was the Beast, with Nero as its focus: crucifixions, thrown to the lions, persecution, etc.


10 posted on 01/23/2011 11:11:43 AM PST by tumblindice (I see, I see..now I see November, 2012 from my front porch!)
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To: eastforker

And a true moron would be an ultra-orthodox-obamaist.


11 posted on 01/23/2011 11:14:28 AM PST by dblup
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To: PENANCE

http://www.shoebat.com/ Read some of what Shoebat writes. Calvin, Luther and others see Islam as the beast in Revelations. Fascinating interpretation and better than the outmoded theories.


12 posted on 01/23/2011 11:17:16 AM PST by EscondidoSurfer
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To: PENANCE

http://www.shoebat.com/ Read some of what Shoebat writes. Calvin, Luther and others see Islam as the beast in Revelations. Fascinating interpretation and better than the outmoded theories.


13 posted on 01/23/2011 11:17:21 AM PST by EscondidoSurfer
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Has the first "Half a Time" of the "Time, Times, and Half a Time"** mentioned in Daniel begun?

No. Time, time and half time=3.5 years. The anti-christ hasn't shown up yet. The key is, he will make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel that will be broken in the middle of the 7 years.

By the way, no where in the bible is the mention of America. Makes me wonder what's going to happen to us.

14 posted on 01/23/2011 11:20:05 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: PENANCE

By the way, what is a born again agnostic?


15 posted on 01/23/2011 11:20:34 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

http://mikeblume.com/whenrev.htm

Moohamheaed wasn’t born until several hundred years after Revelations was written.


16 posted on 01/23/2011 11:21:49 AM PST by tumblindice (I see, I see..now I see November, 2012 from my front porch!)
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To: PENANCE
It could instead be a Religion; the Church of The Beast, The Church of The Dragon, the Synagogue of Satan.

I happen to agree with you. In my experience, Satan does exist and, in his pathological narcissism, he hungers for worship (narcissistic supply it is called) just as does Obama...hence he has his own cult of followers--his own church, if you will.

The members of his church are easy to identify in that in their worship of Satan, they take on his personality, they channel his character (or lack thereof).

As he is a liar (and the father of lies), they too cannot resist the urge to lie. As he wants mindless, conscienceless followers, his church/cult is only too happy to comply. You can identify that cult by its absolute hatred of criticism of itself and the object of its worship. And you can identify them by their obsessive use of character assassination and obloque against anyone they perceive as a threat.

The Church of Satan (however loosely or tightly knit its membership may appear) can also be identified its complete inability to deal with reality up to and including rational thought, logic, and empirical reasoning.

Google tagline for more on this subject.

17 posted on 01/23/2011 11:24:56 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: PENANCE

What does “I am Uriel” on your personal page mean? Are you interested in real Christianity, or just mucking around in ancient texts for the heck of it?


18 posted on 01/23/2011 11:25:12 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: tumblindice

Mohammed was a prophet of islam 700 years later but the fore runner of islam was alive and well at BCE.


19 posted on 01/23/2011 11:28:47 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

I have never heard of Martin Luther believing that Islam was the beast in Revelations.

But perhaps I am incorrect.


20 posted on 01/23/2011 11:31:48 AM PST by Vegasrugrat
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