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Atheist Chris Redford: I Am Smarter Than God, and I Have Higher Moral Standards
www.caffeinatedtheology.com ^ | 1/25/11 | David Shedlock

Posted on 01/28/2011 4:19:26 AM PST by grassboots.org

Over the last several months I have been responding to a series of YouTube videos produced by unevangelist, Chris Redford, a former Assembly of God youth group member turned atheist. Most of his videos are professionally made, and His soft-spoken manner and “Christian” music do not fit the stereotypical view of an angry atheist.  Nevertheless, his viewpoint in the latest videos I watched can be summed up this way: “I don’t like the God of the Bible.  I am smarter than Him, and I have better moral standards.”  Few of his arguments in Deconversion 2.3 and 2.4 discuss the existence of God, and though he directly attacks the Bible as the Word of God, the videos mostly reveal his personal dissatisfaction with the God of the Bible.  For the better part of thirty minutes, he makes no appeal outside his own experience and feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70SYwkoH_yc

At one point, Redford describes his failed attempt to read the Bible through for the first time, cover to cover, at about age 22.  He eventually sets large portions of it aside as a waste of time.  His actual knowledge of the whole Bible was so thin it is not surprising that he finds himself relying on “the spirit’s leading” rather than the actual text of the Book that the Holy Spirit wrote.  The Bible warns against putting experience above Scripture:

II Peter 1:16-21:  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Charismatic Christian; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: assemblyofgod; atheist; bibleauthority; chrisredford

1 posted on 01/28/2011 4:19:31 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org

For any person to say they are smarter than God and have higher morals than God proves that that person is irresponsibly insane and belongs in the nut house, booby hatch, insane asylum, with their own private padded cell and in a straight jacket where they cannot hurt anybody.


2 posted on 01/28/2011 4:26:54 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: grassboots.org
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. I Cor. 1:25.

I'll stick with the God of the Bible.

3 posted on 01/28/2011 4:30:40 AM PST by politicalmerc (I TOLD YOU I could see November from my house. Now I see 2012!!)
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To: grassboots.org
"We are more popular than Jesus."

John Lennon

4 posted on 01/28/2011 4:31:11 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: grassboots.org
Atheist Chris Redford: I Am Smarter Than God

That's awesome. Tell him to let us know when he can create his own universe and resurrect himself from the dead. That will be pretty cool to see.
5 posted on 01/28/2011 4:32:10 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Ev Reeman
There are far smarter guys than Chris Redford who've gloriously embraced the Bible and have been followers of Jesus Christ (CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, about any Christian apologist). The problem is, he grew up in an AG church, where its main weakness is that they aren't as grounded in the Bible as other denominations

(Note: I didn't say all AG's weren't grounded in the bible, nor that other denominations didn't have their weaknesses. Just saying that that's where AG members who fall away generally fall away because of that).

As someone who's recently lost his job, filed for bankruptcy, and is on food stamps, I could've chucked it all and turned my back on God. Instead, I used this time to improve myself (I lost my job because of my stupidity), look for God's will for my life, and have enjoyed every day one day at a time.

6 posted on 01/28/2011 4:36:48 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: grassboots.org
Chris Redford, a former Assembly of God youth group member turned atheist

Seriously arrogant and he was never gave his life to Christ, if he had he would never think or say such things. Everything changes instantly when you give your life to Christ, EVERYTHING. Your mind changes right away, your thought patterns, you see everything in a different light. It doesn't take weeks, it's like within seconds. He needs some real serious prayer this one. I'm sure the atheist community is just loving this and he's feeding off that adoration. It's really sad.

7 posted on 01/28/2011 4:37:01 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: F15Eagle

Please explain this away, Mr. Redford: 1) Jesus as an historical figure - even the most devout, but intelligent, atheists recognize Jesus was a living, historical figure - He was reported on by the Roman historian Tacitus and the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus within 20 years after his death — they had NO reason to play along with a fantasy and weren’t of the same spiritual views he propounded; 2) Jesus as the resurrected Son of God - the apostle Paul in his letters lists 500 different people who saw the resurrected Jesus, post-Crucifiction, in different parts of Israel - were they all hallucinating the same dream?


8 posted on 01/28/2011 4:37:56 AM PST by laconic
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To: grassboots.org

Without God there are no morals, only personal preferences and social conventions.


9 posted on 01/28/2011 4:39:58 AM PST by circlecity
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To: grassboots.org

So let me put my logic hat on.

This guy is an atheist.
An atheist does not believe in God.
This guy claims to be smarter and more moral than God.

Therefore, his claim is that he is smarter and more moral than that which does not exist.

That which does not exist is nothing.

Therefore, he is smarter and more moral than nothing.

Nothing includes the subset of no one.

OK. According to his egocentric and warped logic, he thinks he is smarter and more moral than no one.

I have to agree with him, according to his terms.

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NOTE: God would not commit such fallacious mistakes according to the rules of formal logic.


10 posted on 01/28/2011 4:40:48 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: grassboots.org

“I am smarter than Him, and I have better moral standards.”

Liberl Leftisim in a nut shell. It’s why they are so deadly.


11 posted on 01/28/2011 4:45:21 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: grassboots.org

If you say you’re smarter than god, and say you’re an atheist, then you’re not really an atheist, are you? You’re an idiot.


12 posted on 01/28/2011 4:46:45 AM PST by samtheman
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To: grassboots.org

How can he be smarter than God if God doesn’t exist? Idiot. Maybe that statement means that he’s smarter than nobody.


13 posted on 01/28/2011 4:46:58 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Whatever you are filled with will spill out when you're bumped.)
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To: grassboots.org

God’s gonna get you for that, Chris.


14 posted on 01/28/2011 4:55:39 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: grassboots.org
Oh, look at me, look at me, I'm not full of myself, I don't really reject the foundational principle of our country and our freedom...Oh, look at me.

Another spoiled brat.

15 posted on 01/28/2011 4:58:25 AM PST by OriginalIntent (undo all judicial activism and its results)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Wonderful post, GPM.


16 posted on 01/28/2011 4:59:39 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org

Claims to be “smarter than God” and yet admits he doesn’t “get” God’s Word.
Good luck with that, Chris.
BTW, God’ STILL loves you, even if the rest of us think you’re a nitwit.


17 posted on 01/28/2011 5:11:25 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Y'all had enough, yet?)
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To: grassboots.org

Assembly of God—hmm—well they do put on some entertaining shows. IMO their doctrine -when it is not grounded in the
Scripture leads to such strange /dementia. Every time
I pretend I am smart as God I get slapped upside the head.
By my own stupidity. And I know my morality is not comparable to that of My Creator.


18 posted on 01/28/2011 5:14:22 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: grassboots.org
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19 posted on 01/28/2011 5:17:03 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Y'all had enough, yet?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"We are more popular than Jesus."

John Lennon

If I remmeber correctly, that conversation was about the "decay" of culture. John was pointing out that the beatles were more popular than Jesus with the implication that it was not a good thing.

Wikipedia article on the quote

Oddly enough I think the wiki article is correct on this one.

20 posted on 01/28/2011 5:18:23 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: grassboots.org

He just had his Titanic moment (Even God can’t sink this ship).


21 posted on 01/28/2011 5:30:33 AM PST by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: grassboots.org
It's easy to be more moral than God. Just create your own set of moral standards, which conveniently match your own behavior and are at odds with God. Ta-daa!

Of course, that's also like someone going around declaring that 2+2=5 in their own personal mathematics. Why should anyone else be compelled to accept their private fantasy standard?

A person who accepts the objective existence of a moral law is necessarily going to be forced to accept the existence of a personal, transcendant being (lawgiver) who is the source of the moral law, if they think it through consistently. The (former) atheist C.S. Lewis discovered this after railing against the injustice of the universe, as described in Mere Christianity.

22 posted on 01/28/2011 5:34:11 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: John O

I was alive at the time, and that’s not how I remember it.

Listen to the words of John Lennon’s “Imagine”.

He was an atheist.


23 posted on 01/28/2011 5:42:23 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook
The quote is from 1965. Imagine is from 1971. People change over time.

I can not say at the time the quote was made that he was a Christian. He was however pro Christ at that time. It was the followers of Christ that ruined it for him (see the page I linked).

And since much of the church abandoned Christianity in those days seeking to be more "relevant" I can see how he came to that opinion. (Or perhaps more accurately they compromised with the 60s subculture and lost all moral authority)

24 posted on 01/28/2011 5:46:45 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: grassboots.org

This guy is just trying to say the most outrageous things he can think of to gin up hits on his you tube site. The same way the “bad guy” pro wrestlers mouth off to the cameras in order to gin up interest in the upcoming (staged) match. Same thing. The dude is an attention whore and best ignored.


25 posted on 01/28/2011 6:29:05 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Yup. Attention whore.


26 posted on 01/28/2011 6:55:19 AM PST by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: grassboots.org
Atheist Chris Redford: I Am Smarter Than God, and I Have Higher Moral Standards

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Incorrect Answer!

Most likely see you in hell, but thanks for playing anyway.

27 posted on 01/28/2011 7:00:36 AM PST by paulycy (Liberals suck all the joy out of America. Let's make them stop.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Blessings to you. I hope you find something!


28 posted on 01/28/2011 7:27:55 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: laconic

He read some unspecified portion of the bible and you expect him to actually do all this?


29 posted on 01/28/2011 7:30:22 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: circlecity

He makes them up.


30 posted on 01/28/2011 7:53:56 AM PST by onedoug
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To: MuttTheHoople

May God bless you, your family and your loved ones.


31 posted on 01/28/2011 9:41:57 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: circlecity

I am writing not for him, but to help those who are being seduced by his nonsense. He has hundreds of thousands of hits, this little article won’t do much for him, but hopefully a little for those who have doubts.


32 posted on 01/28/2011 10:15:42 PM PST by grassboots.org
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