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The Three Legged Stool of Salvation
Antinomianism and the New Covenant ^ | 1/25/2011 | Gart O'toole

Posted on 01/29/2011 7:06:07 PM PST by Benchim

Salvation has three legs supporting the entire doctrine. Leg 1: The first Leg on the Stool is Belief in Christ. Belief means to steadfastly trust in the fact-- that Jesus is the Son of God. The Greek word is pistevo. "For God so greatly loved the world that He gave up His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

You will find nothing in the definition requiring "obedience" or "sinless" conduct . This is the foundation of antinomianism. John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

LEG 2: The second leg is that Christ died and was resurrected to atone for your sins. This in imputed righteousness. Otherwise Christs suffering meant nothing. LEG 3: The third leg which stands the stool is Savlation is a gift- by the grace of God and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God . Ephesians 2 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: freedom; grace; jesus; salvation
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The "church" never tells you how you are saved. They want you confused and hustling for the goal line because it pays the mortgage and the administration.Actually you were saved when you believed in Christ as the Son of God. All this obfuscation is evil and not of God.
1 posted on 01/29/2011 7:06:10 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

“go and sin no more” Jesus said

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Probably a reason for that.


2 posted on 01/29/2011 7:14:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: GeronL

Yes -— He had not atoned yet.


3 posted on 01/29/2011 7:17:49 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

Anyone who thinks we can sin as much as we want and still be saved is stupid. Pure and simple.


4 posted on 01/29/2011 7:19:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Benchim

re: “The ‘church’ never tells you how you are saved.”

I don’t know which church you are refering to, but your statement is false. There are several Christian denominations that teach how the individual is saved - check out the Reformation and Martin Luther for just one example of salvation by God’s grace through faith in Christ alone. Read up more on church history - your about 500 years behind.


5 posted on 01/29/2011 7:21:44 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: GeronL

Excellent.


6 posted on 01/29/2011 7:23:55 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Nevadan

But that philosophy has to be based on the Bible, not on the opinion’s of men.


7 posted on 01/29/2011 7:24:41 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Benchim

Any attempt to boil salvation down to a simple formula is evil. If one simply professes your three tenants without attempting to understand their full implications has fallen short.


8 posted on 01/29/2011 7:26:08 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: GeronL

re: Anyone who thinks they can sin all they want and still be saved. . .”

Is that what this guy is trying to say? Wow, if he is he doesn’t know the Scriptures very well.


9 posted on 01/29/2011 7:28:21 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: dinoparty

What are your Tenants? Legalism?


10 posted on 01/29/2011 7:30:32 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Nevadan

That was my take but I guess I might have misunderstood. lol.


11 posted on 01/29/2011 7:33:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Benchim

No. Your view is more legalistic than mine. I am questioning the view that tenants of any sort are sufficient. One must attempt to understand what they actually mean.


12 posted on 01/29/2011 7:34:37 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim

Th best example of being saved by grace is the thief on the cross. It cannot be any simpler than that. Jesus forgave him on the spot when he asked Jesus to remember him and nothing else was required of him. I will meet that thief some day.


13 posted on 01/29/2011 7:34:53 PM PST by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: dinoparty

To be saved by Christ, you need only his grace to forgive you your sins. It is a gift that we don’t deserve and cannot earn.


14 posted on 01/29/2011 7:38:16 PM PST by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: 1010RD

re: “But that philosopy has to be bases on the Bible. . .”

I completely agree, but what I stated isn’t philosophy - salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is sound Christian doctrine. Human acts of righteousness cannot remove the guilt of our sin - however, salvation is not a license to sin. The Scriptures make it very clear that although we are not saved by our “works”, so-called “faith” without works is dead - useless.


15 posted on 01/29/2011 7:39:32 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: yellowhorse

Fine. But you seem to suggest that one must profess your three tenants in order to receive that grace. I’m saying that simply professing is useless without comprehension of what you are professing. It’s not an incantation whereby the words themselves carry some magical power aside from the professor’s understanding. Insofar as a church does not encourage such comprehension, it’s teachings are evil.


16 posted on 01/29/2011 7:43:05 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

So no tenants— just saved?


17 posted on 01/29/2011 7:45:08 PM PST by Benchim
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To: yellowhorse

I sure agree. It is the example that the Legalist gag on. They want you to Tithe (not in the New Testament) . They want you to fill a seat in the Temple. They want you to worship the Bible and then tell you what it means.


18 posted on 01/29/2011 7:47:56 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

Uh, no. Tenants are a good starting point, but are not sufficient unless adequately understood.


19 posted on 01/29/2011 7:48:08 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Nevadan
The Scriptures make it very clear that although we are not saved by our “works”, so-called “faith” without works is dead - useless.

So without works our faith is useless unto salvation. That sounds like we are saved, in some part, by our works, no?

It's sound "Christian" doctrine espoused by men. That's philosophy. It's not Biblical at all, though it has become traditional.

20 posted on 01/29/2011 7:49:05 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dinoparty

What are your starting tenants?


21 posted on 01/29/2011 7:49:43 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

Yours are pretty good. I would add as top tenant, however: fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.


22 posted on 01/29/2011 7:52:12 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim

A rather cynical view, if you ask me.

People go to church to worship God with their brothers and sisters. To offer Him praise and thanksgiving and to be spiritually fed.

The early church certainly met often and gave what was needed for themselves and others.

They donate for the upkeep of that church and for the charitable works of the church.

1 Cor 9:24-27 what does Paul mean here?

1 Tim 6: 11:-19 what does Paul mean here? Especially in the last part.

The NT is full of exhortations to hold fast, remain faithful, fight the good fight of faith, and to persevere.

Why? What happens if one doesn’t?


23 posted on 01/29/2011 7:52:44 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Benchim

actually, only those “in Christ” will be saved. Romans 6:3 tells us we have been baptized into Jesus Christ. Saul was told to wash away his sins in Acts 22:16. 1 Peter tells us baptism now saves us. How can one talk about salvation and not mention baptism?


24 posted on 01/29/2011 8:00:03 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: dinoparty

God Loves you. You don’t have to fear because you are going to Him at death. No fear at all.


25 posted on 01/29/2011 8:00:49 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim
and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God

It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.

Feeling pretty secure? – there’s a verse for that:

"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4

And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23

And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

And only IF you do what God wants: “God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (Rom. 2:6–8).

Clearly, what you do is rewarded by God. Like Paul, you must be ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of Grace that is working in you.

Your belief goes against the clear words of Scripture. There is a special verse for this : “ vain is the belief of those who go against the word of God”. 1st Corinthians 15:2

26 posted on 01/29/2011 8:06:35 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: dinoparty
If one simply professes your three tenants...

Wait! Salvation is not for sale. By the same token, it's not for RENT either. (sorry, I know that was weak)

27 posted on 01/29/2011 8:06:51 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Benchim

Again, your statement just begs the question: what conditions must exist in order for one to receive God’s saving grace? Surely if you do not believe, you will not receive such grace and therefore have reason to be fearful. Our dispute is over what exactly is necessary to receive salvation and therefore ultimately avoid the fear. I suggest that fear of the Lord is one such prerequisite. Remember, however, that “fear” is a rough translation of the original, which had a broader meaning, encompassing also awe, reverence and wonder.


28 posted on 01/29/2011 8:07:26 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Jvette

Well, in the first place ,the word “church: is not in the Bible. The Greek word was “Ekklesia” . It means— “all believers”. There were no buildings or legalistic congregations at all. If you plug in the real word “Ekklesia” into those scriptures you will understand what they were saying. The term “Church” was imposed in 1638 by King James who sought control over Christ believers who were hard to coral. I hope you are not coraled by some brick building and a deep voiced guy living off your money saying “Gawd”


29 posted on 01/29/2011 8:10:49 PM PST by Benchim
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To: FatherofFive

Are you saying the Bible has contradictions and errors?


30 posted on 01/29/2011 8:13:36 PM PST by Benchim
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To: dinoparty

How could one believe in Jesus as the Son of God and not have a total understanding of God?


31 posted on 01/29/2011 8:15:44 PM PST by Benchim
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To: yellowhorse

Only if you go to paradise. I’d rather you go to Heaven, but you may suit yourself.


32 posted on 01/29/2011 8:18:39 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dinoparty
If one simply professes your three tenants without attempting to understand their full implications has fallen short.

Well, the thief on the cross dodn't have much time for contemplation....he indeed simply professed his belief in Christ..and Jesus responded....'today you will be with me'.

33 posted on 01/29/2011 8:21:54 PM PST by caww
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To: Benchim

Easy.
Here is an example, absurd but it makes the point: one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, but means by that that God impregnated Mary by means of a space alien surrogate, and further believes that Jesus was a wayward child of God, is probably not saved. Agree?


34 posted on 01/29/2011 8:22:43 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim; dinoparty

Tenants?

Definition for tenant

- renter of property: somebody who rents a building, house, apartment, plot of land, or piece of property for a fixed price.
- occupier of place: somebody living in or on a property
- pay rent to occupy property: to live in or on somebody else’s property as a tenant

Try tenets.


35 posted on 01/29/2011 8:23:46 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: FatherofFive

Excellent.


36 posted on 01/29/2011 8:25:29 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: caww

...in paradise. He didn’t say, “in Heaven”.


37 posted on 01/29/2011 8:27:16 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dinoparty

That is absurd. God did impregnate Mary. How else could she deliver a child?


38 posted on 01/29/2011 8:28:49 PM PST by Benchim
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To: caww

Your statement that he didn’t have much time to contemplate is mere conjecture. Do you know for a fact that his acceptance of Christ on the Cross was not preceded or even enabled by contemplation he had in time leading up to the Cross? Do you really think it was his mere utterance of the words that allowed him to be saved, without more?


39 posted on 01/29/2011 8:29:09 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim
Are you saying the Bible has contradictions and errors?

Not at all! You are just making up a theology of salvation that is not based on the entire Scripture.

The expression "faith alone" only appears once in the Bible—in James 2:24—where it is rejected as a description of how we are justified.

This is why Luther wanted to remove James from the Bible - it didn't fit his made up theory of salvation.

40 posted on 01/29/2011 8:29:58 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Benchim

Via a space alien??


41 posted on 01/29/2011 8:31:56 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty; metmom
Do you really think it was his (the thiefs) mere utterance of the words that allowed him to be saved, without more?

Absolutely and without question.

42 posted on 01/29/2011 8:34:11 PM PST by caww
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To: FatherofFive

James is written by the disgruntled brother of Jesus. It is a total contradiction of the Gospel and should be thrown out and has been thrown out by scholars for centuries. James was jealous of Jesus and did everything he could to say he died for nothing.His writings are a joke. Read Jon 3:16 and do it often.


43 posted on 01/29/2011 8:35:09 PM PST by Benchim
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To: dinoparty

Come on. Argue legalism some other way.


44 posted on 01/29/2011 8:36:18 PM PST by Benchim
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To: 1010RD; metmom

Not going to take the bait.


45 posted on 01/29/2011 8:37:02 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Too bad for you.


46 posted on 01/29/2011 8:38:41 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim; verga
It is a total contradiction of the Gospel and should be thrown out

Great. Now you are arguing that Scripture is full of errors and contardictions.

47 posted on 01/29/2011 8:39:59 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Nevadan

Once one is saved and as their faith increases the natural outcome is “fruit”....Christ changes the heart, mind and soul. One desires to do what is good and right...as He leads and as we let Him live His life thru us.


48 posted on 01/29/2011 8:40:52 PM PST by caww
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To: Benchim

You can’t seem to get beyond the labels, can you? What is legalism if not the belief that magic words must be uttered to be saved, and no more? Lawyers counsel their clients to utter magic words in court every day. It doesn’t mean the client actually understands what he is uttering.


49 posted on 01/29/2011 8:42:34 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

How could you possibly “understand” or know this?


50 posted on 01/29/2011 8:43:17 PM PST by caww
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