Posted on 01/31/2011 7:43:38 AM PST by Objective Scrutator
When you bite into a delicious pizza, succulent sandwich or luscious lamb chops, are you possibly eating food that has been sacrificed to idols?
An outspoken American pastor says yes, and he's sounding the alarm for Christians to be aware of the Islamic influence he calls "backdoor Shariah" now nibbling its way across the fruited plain.
At issue, says Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash., is eating food that's "halal," in other words "lawful" or "permitted" for the Muslim diet.
Muslims join many Jews and some Christians in avoiding the consumption of certain animals such as pigs and birds of prey, but those of the Islamic faith also have their meat blessed in the name of their god, Allah.
"From the Christian standpoint, Allah would be an idol," Biltz told WND.
In a sermon last weekend which he posted online, Biltz explained, "In order for it to be halal, they have to slaughter the animal facing Mecca ... and they have to say this prayer about Allah is great and greater than all other gods. Muslims can only eat food that is halal, that has been sacrificed to their idol, Allah ... and with Allah's name prayed over it."
"You could be eating beef, chicken, etc., offered up to Allah and not even know it. I can just imagine at a Passover Seder the caterer unbeknownst to anyone is serving halal meat! It could be on your pizza without you knowing it, or at your favorite restaurant. People don't realize they could be eating meat sacrificed to idols!"
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You're ignoring the writings of Paul.
Besides, ain't much idol sacrificing going on around these parts.
Paul didn’t think eating the meat sacrificed to idols was a problem, and up to now, no one hyperventillates over kosher food in the US, so this is complete nonsense.
and Christ didn’t get his knickers in a knot about food laws either, come to think of it.
Thank you for being an excellent defender against such nonsense.
To purchase halal food is to fund the Muslim Brotherhood and CIAR. The Bible, in its infinite wisdom, recognized this. Apparently, so-called “conservatives” don’t mind completely ignoring passages of Scripture or providing terrorists with resources as long as they get their delicious meat. I have no idea why people react with such hostility towards requiring all food to be marked as halil; if we’re going to keep the FDA around, they might as well do something useful.
1 Corinthians 10 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? 31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God. 32 Be without offense toward the Jews, and toward the Gentiles, and toward the Church of God, 33 just as I also, in all things, please everyone, not seeking what is best for myself, but what is best for many others, so that they may be saved.Take particular note of verses 28 and 33. When you eat food which has been sacrificed to an idol, you commit a sin against your brother. That is the only moral failing one has from eating halal food, but it is a moral failing regardless. You may not slide into damnation yourself, but you cause your neighbor to. Also, take your anti-Christian bigotry elsewhere.
IT'S the fact of "LEGITIMIZING" the Mooozies!
That and my NOT wanting to support them in any way, shape or form as they labor (stealthily) towards ever more of injecting Islam/Sharia into our lives, be it a Mosque at Ground Zero, a Crescent-Shaped Memorial in Pa to honor the heroes of Flt 93 or, Sharia ("No Interest") banking, Courts making rulings based on the Qur'an, eating any foods which they insist must be slaughtered according to Islam in order to be considered "acceptable," etc.
Thank you for making the point so many on this thread managed to miss.
Only is the brother is offended. There is no absolute language in the passage. In this case the situation dictates the behavior.
Otherwise Paul’s command to “ask no questions” makes no sense. You would ALWAYS be required to ask if the meat had been offered to idols if it were an absolute matter.
Also, take your anti-Christian bigotry elsewhere.
To the RM: I don’t see what that comments was necessary or warranted.
Paul puts his question forward in part because they are making references to permitting meat forbidden in the Mosaic times, and in part because unwittingly eating Halal is not a sin against yourself. Knowingly eating Halal is.
Also, I stated that you were being an anti-Christian bigot by your asking, “Why are Christians so dumb?” Sorry if my comment didn’t provide the appropriate context.
Yes, I know. My point was that it’s done entirely for religious purposes. Non-Jews don’t generally get the heebie jeebies from the thought of consuming Kosher food.
This view is found neither in the Mosaic Law nor in Paul. Paul especially NEVER says that eating meat sacrificed to idols in and of itself is sin. The only sin is that caused by giving offense to others. Period.
Besides, it’s still not been established by any credible authority that “eating Halal” violates by biblical command. This particular pastor has his view. He is mistaken, IMO.
Also, I stated that you were being an anti-Christian bigot by your asking, “Why are Christians so dumb?” Sorry if my comment didn’t provide the appropriate context.
Well then obviously you haven’t paid attention to my background or other posts, or you would not make such a silly statement.
BTW, I stand by my comment. Christians who uncritically accept the nonsense in the OP are exhibiting a real lack of discernment.
While that may be wise politically, there is no biblical prohibition against such action.
You seem to be confusing the common political religion with a biblical one. “Do not taste, do not touch … a Muslim.”
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I don´t know. Violating kashrus and not washing the hands before eating violate The Law which Jesus claims to have supported.
“The only sin is that caused by giving offense to others.”
No, it’s misleading others.
This is the unequivocal instruction given by Peter:
“You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality.”
Paul gives the same unequivical instruciton:
“But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it”
You attempt to swallow the rule by misreading Paul’s subsequent reason behind the rule.
When I am told by the apostles to “jump,” I jump. I know my place is not to question why.
Me, I care about people who might be mislead into thinking islam is a road to heaven.
IF you don’t, then perhaps you should look at yourself.
Misleading others how? The Scripture doesn’t use that sort of specific language.
Paul gives the same unequivical instruciton:
Let’s not take your word for it, but let’s examine the context:
24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.There is no absolute prohibition in this passage against eating meat sacrificed to idols. See Jesus’ words in Matt. 15:11.
25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;
26 for "the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness."
27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience' sake.
28 But if anyone says to you, "This was offered to idols," do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience' sake; for "the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness."
29"Conscience," I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man's conscience?
30 But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken of for the food over which I give thanks?
31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. (1 Cor. 10)
However, it is for the conscience of the other (the unbeliever) who told us “this meat is sacrificed to idols” that we should abstain. There it is in black and white. What part did I get wrong?
Me, I care about people who might be mislead into thinking islam is a road to heaven.
Misquoting and misinterpreting the Bible does not demonstrate a care for people, no matter how noble the cause. Trying to be holier than Jesus and making others do the same won’t work either.
Besides, you folks still have shown that “eating Halal” violates by biblical command.
Jesus' answer to the charge is found in vs 3.
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
One commentary says this: "The tradition they transgress is but man's, and is itself the occasion of heavy transgression, undermining the authority of God's law."
Even the pharisees admitted it was not God's law but "tradition of the elders". But they were imposing it as equal with God's law. In fact, the Mathew Henry commentary has a quote of a Rabbi equating it with adultery.
Jesus turns it around on them, and uses it an an opportunity to point to other "traditions of men" that were undermining God's law, including the way the pharisees were avoiding honoring their parents.
This commentary does a pretty good explanation. David Guzik Commentary
Mathew Henry's commentary has a lengthy and deeper explanation. Mathew Henry Commentary - Matt 15
You are intentionally confusing salvation issues with “best practice” issues, and not an honest person.
This is clear:
“You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality.”
Paul gives the same unequivical instruciton:
“But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it”
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