The Priestly Treadmill was Not Meant to Be Plugged in Forever (Thank God!)

The Ordinary Pastor ^ | 02/06/2011 | Erik Raymond

[Salvation]

These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:

A proud look,

A lying tongue,

Hands that shed innocent blood,

A heart that devises wicked plans,

Feet that are swift in running to evil,

A false witness who speaks lies,

And one who sows discord among brethren. -- Proverbs 6:16-19

[Salvation]

the High Priestly Prayer

 

Since the sixteenth century, this chapter has been called the "high priestly prayer" of Jesus. He speaks as intercessor, with words addressed directly to the Father and not to the disciples, who supposedly only overhear. Yet the prayer is one of petition, for immediate (John 17:6-19) and future (John 17:20-21) disciples. Many phrases reminiscent of the Lord's Prayer occur. Although still in the world (John 17:13), Jesus looks on his earthly ministry as a thing of the past (John 17:4, 12). Whereas Jesus has up to this time stated that the disciples could follow him (John 13:33, 36), now he wishes them to be with him in union with the Father (John 17:12-14).

[Cronos]

Yes, it's funny that RnMomof7 had said “but the saved do not care what Rome says about anything.”

yet seems to care quite a lot, posting even during the Bowl!

Is Rn one of the shaved?

If yes, then why you care so much about what “Roam” says?

[Cronos]

What is funny is that they forget that the English word priest comes (from wikipedia, but verifiable in other etymological books/sites):

The English word priest is ultimately from Greek, via Latin, presbyter, the term for "elder", especially elders of Jewish or Christian communities in Late Antiquity. It is possible that the Latin word was loaned into Old English and only from Old English reached other Germanic languages, giving Old Icelandic prestr, Old Swedish präster, Old High German priast, via the Anglo-Saxon mission to the continent. Old High German also has the disyllabic priester, priestar, however, apparently derived from Latin independently, via Old French presbtre. The Latin word is ultimately from Greek presbyteros, the word for "priest" being Latin sacerdos, Greek hiereus.

The problem is that the anti-Catholics see only English and don't realise that the English word priest = Elder(presbyteros) as mentioned in the Bible.

[Cronos]

And what is funny is their quoting of the letter to Timothy — as if they fire “elders” or “pastors” who are bachelors or widowed or divorced.

[metmom]

And what is funny is their quoting of the letter to Timothy — as if they fire “elders” or “pastors” who are bachelors or widowed or divorced.

The verse does not specify whether the wife has to be living or not. But certainly, if an overseer or deacon is getting a divorce, he should be promptly removed from the position as he has disqualified himself from office simply by virtue of the fact that he has shown that he is not able to keep his own house in order.

As far as a man who was divorced before his conversion, there is no small amount of debate about that but I am not familiar with each particular denomination's position. If you want to know, go find out yourself.

[Salvation]

And St. Paul in his letters to Timothy and Titus refers to the laying on of hands — priests and then Bishops of their area in those days.

[Cronos]

“The verse does not specify whether the wife has to be living or not” —> neither that it say that he MUST be married right — or do you reject bachelors?

[metmom]

That are churches who reject bachelors.

It’s not usually an issue.

[Cronos]

Why is it not an issue — if the passage says the guy must have a wife according to you, then no bachelors or widows or divorcees allowed and definitely no women, right?

[metmom]

Because there are plenty of married men to fill the positions and most of the single men are younger or college students.

No church in its right mind would put a young man in that kind of position.

[Cronos]

Yet, there ARE bachelors and widowers who are pastors, correct?