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A God of Miracles (Real Mormon/LDS)
LDS.org ^ | Sister Sydney S. Reynolds

Posted on 02/07/2011 7:23:46 PM PST by Paragon Defender

A God of Miracles

 

 

 

Sydney S. Reynolds

First Counselor in the Primary General Presidency

Sydney S. Reynolds, "A God of Miracles", Ensign, May 2001, 12

 

 

I believe that all of us can bear witness to these small miracles.

 

 

With Moroni of old, I believe in a God of miracles. Moroni wrote to the people of our dispensation, “Behold, I will show unto you a God of miracles, … and it is that same God who created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are” (Morm. 9:11). Moroni proclaimed that Jesus Christ did many mighty miracles, that many mighty miracles were wrought by the hands of the Apostles, and that a God who is the same yesterday, today, and forever must be a God of miracles today (see Morm. 9:18; Morm. 9:9).

Think of the miracles of the Old Testament. Remember Moses and the parting of the Red Sea. For all future generations of Israelites, the great miracles that led to their deliverance from Egypt provided undeniable proof of God’s existence and His love for them.

Many Book of Mormon prophets, including Nephi, pointed to the story of Moses to encourage faith and belief in a God who could deliver His people in their distress (see 1 Ne. 4:1–3). Other Book of Mormon prophets reminded the people that they themselves had witnessed miracles that should convince them of God’s power.

In the New Testament, the Apostle John shared his reason for recording many of the Savior’s miracles—namely, “that [we] might believe that Jesus is the Christ” (John 20:31).

In this dispensation we witness the great miracle of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth. It began when a young boy entered a grove of trees near Palmyra, New York, and poured out his heart and his questions to a God he believed could answer him—the God of miracles. And miracles have followed in this dispensation—mighty miracles—including the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, which is itself another testament of Jesus Christ.

Just as important as these “mighty miracles” are the smaller “private miracles” that teach each of us to have faith in the Lord. These come as we recognize and heed the promptings of the Spirit in our lives.

I am grateful for a teacher who encouraged his students to keep a journal of the whisperings or promptings of the Spirit in their lives. He directed us to note what we felt and what resulted. Little things became evident. One day I was frantically trying to complete some assignments and prepare for a trip. I had just been down to the laundry area of the dorm to move my clothes from the washer to the dryer. Unfortunately, all the dryers were in use, and they all had many minutes to go. I went back upstairs discouraged, knowing by the time those dryers finished, I had to be on the road. I had barely returned to my room when I felt prompted to go back downstairs and check the laundry again. Foolishness, I thought—I had just been there, and I didn’t have time. But because I was trying to listen, I went. Two of the dryers were empty—and I was able to meet all my commitments. Could the Lord possibly have been concerned about smoothing my way in such a small but, to me, important matter? I have learned since through many such experiences that the Lord will help us in every aspect of our lives when we are trying to serve Him and do His will.

I believe that all of us can bear witness to these small miracles. We know children who pray for help to find a lost item and find it. We know of young people who gather the courage to stand as a witness of God and feel His sustaining hand. We know friends who pay their tithing with the last of their money and then, through a miracle, find themselves able to pay their tuition or their rent or somehow obtain food for their family. We can share experiences of prayers answered and priesthood blessings that gave courage, brought comfort, or restored health. These daily miracles acquaint us with the hand of the Lord in our lives.

My mind has been much on this topic because of an experience our family has had in the last few months. Our daughter and her husband took a while to find each other and then, though they wanted children with all their hearts, over a number of years had difficulty realizing that dream. They prayed and they sought priesthood blessings and medical help, and eventually were thrilled to learn they were expecting twins.

Things did not go smoothly, however, and three and a half months before the babies were due to arrive, the mother-to-be found herself in the labor and delivery section of the hospital. The doctors at first were hopeful that they could stop the labor for a few more weeks. Quickly, however, the question became, would they even have the 48 hours necessary for medication to prepare the babies’ immature lungs to function?

A nurse came in from the newborn intensive care unit to show the couple pictures of the machines the babies would be hooked up to if they were born alive. She explained the risks for eye damage, for lung collapse, for physical impairment, for brain damage. The couple listened, humbled yet hopeful, and then, despite all the doctors could do, it was obvious that these babies were coming.

They were born alive. First the baby girl and then the baby boy—weighing less than four pounds together—were rushed to the intensive care unit and put on ventilators, with umbilical tubes and intravenous lines and constant attention. They can’t have too much light, they can’t have too much noise, their chemical balances need constant monitoring, as the hospital, with millions of dollars of equipment and many wonderful doctors and nurses, attempted to replicate the miracle of a mother’s womb.

There are multitudes of little miracles every day: a collapsed lung heals and then, despite the odds, continues to function properly; pneumonia is beaten back; more deadly infections invade and are overcome; IV lines go bad and are replaced. After two and a half months, the baby boy has gained two pounds and can breathe with an oxygen supplement. His ventilator is gone, he learns to eat, and his grateful parents take him home with monitors attached.

The baby girl keeps pulling her ventilator tube out, setting off alarms across the nursery. Maybe she wants to keep up with her brother, we think, but her throat closes off each time, and she just can’t breathe on her own. Her throat is so inflamed that at times the respiratory therapists have great difficulty reinserting the tube, and she almost dies. Her normal progress is stymied by her continued dependence on the ventilator.

Finally, after her baby brother has been home for two months, the doctors feel they are forced to suggest surgery for her—a surgery that will allow her to breathe by opening a hole in her throat, a surgery that might solve the stomach problems by opening a hole in her side, but a surgery that will impact her little body for many more months and maybe for the rest of her life. As the parents wrestled with this decision, a beloved aunt sent a message to all the family. She explained the situation—the critical issue of timing, the importance of getting off the ventilator—and suggested that we join our faith once again, and in prayer and fasting ask for one more miracle—if it was the Lord’s will. We would culminate our fast with a prayer the evening of December 3.

Let me read from a letter that was sent to the family the morning of December 4. “Dearest Family, Wonderful news! Blessings from the Lord. Our heartfelt thanks for your prayers and fasting in behalf of our little girl. Yesterday morning she came off the ventilator and has been off for 24 hours at this writing. To us, it is a miracle. The medical staff are still guarded about predicting the future, but we are so grateful to the Lord and to you. We are praying that this will mark the beginning of the end of her hospital stay. And we even dare to hope that she’ll be home for Christmas.”

She did make it home for Christmas, and both babies are currently doing “just fine.” Our family has had its own “parting of the Red Sea,” and we are prepared to testify that there is today, as there was yesterday and will be forever, a “God of miracles” who loves His children and desires to bless them.

Now, we know, as you do, that all petitions to the Lord and all fasts do not receive this same hoped-for answer. Our extended family also has faced the death of loved ones, serious illness, the trial of divorce, and children who are choosing another path. We do not always understand the reasons behind the tests that come with mortality. But our faith has grown, and perhaps yours has too, as we have watched loved ones, friends, and people we know only by reputation endure with faith in the Lord the most severe trials. They, too, know the God of miracles and witness in their extremity that whatever the future holds for them, the Lord knows them and loves them and is blessing them. They are sealed to Him and to each other forever, and they are willing to submit their wills to His.

How have they come to such a point? How do we access the quiet miracle that the Lord works as He transforms us, His children, into worthy heirs of the kingdom of God? I believe it is made possible because “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). I believe it comes as we yield to the enticings of the Spirit, put off the natural man, and are filled with the love of God (see Mosiah 3:19). “Through the Atonement of [Jesus] Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel” (A of F 1:3). All mankind—that includes me, that includes you—we can each have part in the Atonement, the greatest of all God’s miracles.

God did part the Red Sea, and He did give us the Book of Mormon. He can heal us of our sins, and He can and will bless us, His children, in our daily lives. I know that He lives and loves us and is today a God of miracles, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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1 posted on 02/07/2011 7:23:51 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
"I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity" (Moroni 8:18)

"For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing,then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles" (Mormon 9:9-10)

"Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." - King Follett Discourse

Moroni and Mormon describe God as immutable and unchanging. The KFD shows something else. How can you believe that God is at the same time immutable and changing, that from all eternity he was as he now is, but he somehow evolved from a mere mortal?

If God evolved, Moroni and Mormon are wrong. If God didn’t evolve, the KFD and Joseph Smith is wrong. Which is it?

2 posted on 02/07/2011 7:44:39 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Paragon Defender

Where on Kolob does he live?


3 posted on 02/07/2011 7:47:26 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: Paragon Defender
God did part the Red Sea, and He did give us the Book of Mormon.

You got the first part right, the second part, not so much....

4 posted on 02/07/2011 7:48:32 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: FatherofFive
If God evolved, Moroni and Mormon are wrong. If God didn’t evolve, the KFD and Joseph Smith is wrong. Which is it?

Good luck trying to get a direct answer to that question from PD..

5 posted on 02/07/2011 7:50:44 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
 
- Warning -
 
This post has been flagged as Cultic Mormon Spam
by Christians on FreeRepublic.com
 
Let the reader beware!

6 posted on 02/07/2011 8:02:25 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; All

Wow Christians acting like Muslims.. How nice..


7 posted on 02/07/2011 8:28:43 PM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: ReverendJames

Moroni is a ghost. There’s a statue of him on top of all their “temples”, a guilded idol of a ghost blowing a guilded horn.

Nothing about Jesus of course.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 3:51:07 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Paragon Defender

Did you know that there is a "holy of Holies" in the main LDS temples in Salt Lake City?

In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), the Holy of Holies is a room in the Salt Lake Temple wherein the church's president — acting as the Presiding High Priest of the church — enters to act as High Priest of Israel in direct relationship with God, in accordance with the LDS interpretation of the Book of Exodus. Hence, this Holy of Holies in the LDS Church temple is considered a modern cognate to the inner sanctuary of the Tabernacle and Temple in Jerusalem.

Read more blasphemy here

9 posted on 02/08/2011 3:57:56 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Paragon Defender

Take a look at the image on the window in the “Holy of Holies”. If I’m not mistaken, that is a stained glass picture of Joesph Smith himself, perhaps being visited by two “personages” in one of several versions of the first visitation.


10 posted on 02/08/2011 4:00:09 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Paragon Defender

NOT GOING to read any of your posts ever again, they are useless, and I doubt you are going to listen what I and others write.

J.S.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 4:11:54 AM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: T Minus Four

Well they do have this marble statue supposedly of Jesus. Looks more like some Caucasian guy.


12 posted on 02/08/2011 7:45:30 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: ReverendJames

It is very white. I would even say...delightsome.


13 posted on 02/08/2011 8:34:23 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

Ooo, yeah. Corny too.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 8:36:24 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: T Minus Four

Ps. Wondering where the statue of Adam might be. Isn’t he their god? Maybe one of Lorne Greene as Adama?


15 posted on 02/08/2011 8:37:39 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: ReverendJames
I'm sure if we search this site we'll find one somewhere.
16 posted on 02/08/2011 8:47:08 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: FatherofFive

You have it a bit twisted. There’s is no conflict. The anti-Mormon propaganda tries to make you think there is. Feel free to look any of the “issues” you think they raise at the links I provide. You will learn a lot about what is really going on.

Thanks! - PD


17 posted on 02/08/2011 10:56:35 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: JSDude1

NOT GOING to read any of your posts ever again, they are useless, and I doubt you are going to listen what I and others write.

J.S.


I understand that facing the possibility that what you have been taught and you believed in isn’t altogether right. It can be an adjustment.

But if you sincerely give God a chance you will find out the truth that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is Christ’s True Church restored to the earth today.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 11:00:54 AM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
You will learn a lot about what is really going on.

Why don't you just explain it? There is an obvious conflict. Please just take a shot and answer the question.

I am not going to scroll through links that are not on topic.

19 posted on 02/08/2011 11:45:33 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

I am not going to scroll through links that are not on topic.


If you are sincerely interested in the truth you will do simple searches and seek out the truth for yourself. I will not argue endlessly and pointlessly with anti-Mormon propagandists. The choice is yours. The answers are at hand.


20 posted on 02/08/2011 12:03:44 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
If God evolved, Moroni and Mormon are wrong. If God didn’t evolve, the KFD and Joseph Smith is wrong. Which is it?

You know, this is a very simple question. Two verses that conflict with another quote.

Why is it so difficult to give a simple answer to a simple question?

"Go look it up yourself." is not an answer.

21 posted on 02/08/2011 12:04:13 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Why is it so difficult to give a simple answer to a simple question?


Your premise is faulty. The question is invalid.

Look it up. You do want the truth right? Your next sincere actions will answer that question.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 12:06:18 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
The question is invalid.

OK. Got it. Any question you can’t answer is invalid.

Think about it – I am simply quoting Mormon scripture and texts and you consider explaining those quotes invalid.

Lets try again:

"I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity" (Moroni 8:18)

Here it says God is unchangeable, from eternity to eternity. Is this true? If yes, go to the next paragraph. If no, please explain.

"For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing,then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles" (Mormon 9:9-10)

Here it says God doesn’t have a “shadow of changing” – is this true? It agrees with Moroni. If this is true, go to the next paragraph. If it is not true, pleas explain.

"Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." - King Follett Discourse

Here it says that god evolved from man. Is that a change? So again, Moroni and Mormon describe God as immutable and unchanging. The KFD shows something else. How can you believe that God is at the same time immutable and changing, that from all eternity he was as he now is, but he somehow evolved from a mere mortal?

If God evolved, Moroni and Mormon are wrong. If God didn’t evolve, the KFD and Joseph Smith is wrong. Which is it?

23 posted on 02/08/2011 2:46:57 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

OK. Got it. Any question you can’t answer is invalid.


When did you stop beating your wife? Answer the question.

If you never beat your wife the question is based on a false premise and is invalid.

If you would simply try to find this at the links provided you will find it quite easily. Your pretend issue is an old anti-Mormon propaganda tool that has been answered long ago and many times.

If you really want the answer then look. It’s right there. Do you really want it or do you just want to argue? Which is it?


24 posted on 02/08/2011 3:03:43 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

No that’s not it, Sir, it’s that you won’t listen to me. I post on your Propoganda quite frequently, but I see that your heart is closed.

J.S.


25 posted on 02/08/2011 4:11:32 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Oh and I know the truth of the gospel which is very simple, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Mormonism.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 4:14:10 PM PST by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Paragon Defender; FatherofFive

“Feel free to look any of the “issues” you think they raise at the links I provide. You will learn a lot about what is really going on.”

Be sure to be on the lookout for those “Ah Ha! Moments” that PD has promised!

Ah Ha! It is a wacked out religion!
Ah Ha! It is a cult!
Ah Ha! Mormoms do believe in a multitude of gods!
Ah Ha! Mormons do think “God” became a god!
Ah Ha! Mormons do believe they must work to be worthy of salvation!
Ah Ha! These links address everything, but answer nothing!

OH, the Ah Has you will have!


27 posted on 02/08/2011 4:14:43 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: KevinDavis

“Wow Christians acting like Muslims.. How nice..”

Whoa! A freeper who advocates the denial of Constitutional Rights!

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I’m practicing my freedom exercise of religion and freedom of speech as guaranteed by the US Constitution. No muslims needed to explain that.


28 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:51 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Paragon Defender
I will not argue endlessly and pointlessly with anti-Mormon propagandists. The choice is yours. The answers are at hand.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 4:36:22 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender
Look it up. You do want the truth right? Your next sincere actions will answer that question.


30 posted on 02/08/2011 4:37:49 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender
If you really want the answer then look. It’s right there.

Where??? post the link with the answer.

Do you really want it or do you just want to argue? Which is it?

I would just like an answer to a simple question. Nothing I have said is an argument. I;ve just quoted youe Mormon scripture and asked you for an explanation. You spend more time obfuscating and evading an answer than providing one.

31 posted on 02/08/2011 4:38:32 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ReverendJames; Godzilla; SZonian; Elsie; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; Graybeard58; MHGinTN; svcw; ...

Well, not that I believe Joseph Smith’s baloney, but Kolob is the “star” and the “mormon god” lives on a planet near that.

Oh this won’t be popular but here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jXjOdvsjSY


33 posted on 02/09/2011 3:24:14 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Paragon Defender
A God   of Miracles
 
Yup!
You've got THIS right!
 


Exodus 7:10-12  "And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.  For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods."


Exodus 7:22, "And the magicians did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said."

Exodus 8:7, "And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. "

 

 

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."


Revelation 16:14 "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."


"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." —Revelation 19:20
 

34 posted on 02/09/2011 4:20:43 AM PST by Elsie
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To: KevinDavis
 
Wow Christians acting like Muslims.. How nice..
 
 
OOOOooooh!~
Did SOMEone say MUSLIM??
 


 

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The Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship exists to:
  • Describe and defend the Restoration through highest quality scholarship
  • Provide critically edited, primary resources (ancient religious texts) to scholars and laypersons around the world
  • Build bridges of understanding and goodwill to Muslim scholars by providing superior editions of primary texts
  • Provide an anchor of faith in a sea of LDS Studies

 

35 posted on 02/09/2011 4:23:25 AM PST by Elsie
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To: KevinDavis
 
Wow Christians acting like Muslims.. How nice..
 
 
OOOOooooh!~
Did SOMEone say MUSLIM??
 
 



In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

    “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

    · Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

    · Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

    · Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

    · As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

    · Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

    · Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

    · Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

    · Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

    · Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed's followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed's son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

    · Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

      “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]


 

Endnotes

[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”


36 posted on 02/09/2011 4:24:31 AM PST by Elsie
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To: T Minus Four
 

It is very white. I would even say...delightsome.



 
 
 
Where are them delightsome ladies at?
 

37 posted on 02/09/2011 4:29:02 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Paragon Defender
 
You have it a bit twisted. There’s is no conflict. The anti-Mormon propaganda tries to make you think there is.
 
Yup, PD; you are right again!
No conflict at all!


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have said the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

38 posted on 02/09/2011 4:35:23 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Paragon Defender
I understand that facing the possibility that what you have been taught and you believed in isn’t altogether right. It can be an adjustment.

Uh.

Just WHY can MORMONs drink Cokes®?

39 posted on 02/09/2011 4:36:27 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Paragon Defender
 
If you are sincerely interested in the truth you will do simple searches and seek out the truth for yourself.

HI!
 
 My screen name is Paragon Defender; but you can call me PD (if you are SINCERE, that is.)
 
I provide TRUTH to ALL who would care to seek it (if they are REALLY sincere) and I do it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER  again.

I am pleased to offer my services for the Betterment of Mankind.

Please feel free to ask me ANYTHING and I'll sincerely post my link list again.

Remember...

I am normal too; and I am a MORMON!

 

Sincerely,

PD


 
 

40 posted on 02/09/2011 4:38:00 AM PST by Elsie
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To: FatherofFive
 
"Go look it up yourself." is not an answer.

 

Acts 8:27-39 NIV

27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian[a] eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”

 30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.

 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

 32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:

   “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
   and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
   so he did not open his mouth.
33 In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
   Who can speak of his descendants?
   For his life was taken from the earth.”[b]

 34 The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

 36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 8:27-39 (PD Version, ©2010)

27 So he logged on to FR, and on his way he met a Potential Investigator, a Noobie in need of Salvation (which means “Living forever in the Presence of GOD”). This person had gone to FreeRepublic to learn, 28 and while he was reading threads; he was also sitting in his computer chair reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The spirit told PD, “Reply to that person and stay in the conversation.”

 30 Then PD replied to the Noobie and asked. “Do you understand what you are reading?”

 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So PD invited himself to continue to chat with him.

 32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:

   “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
   and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
   so he did not open his mouth.
33 In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
   Who can speak of his descendants?
   For his life was taken from the earth.”[b]

 34 The Noobie asked PD, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35 Then PD fumbled with that very passage of Scripture and was unable to tell him the Good News about Jesus; but explained that it COULD be found in the Book of MORMON and OTHER non-official sources.

 36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the Noobie said, “Look, I've asked all kinds of questions; but you seem to be unable to answer even just ONE of them.   37 Why are the ANTI-mormons (as you lovingly call them) so much better at supplying answers?" 

 38 "They are hateful bigots; only capable of spewing regurgitated LDS teachings.  Pay them no mind.  Seek for yourself the TRUTH in the OTHER books I've refered to."

  39  Discouraged by the VAST amount of information that had to be sifted thru; the PI went away in a hopeless mood.

 

41 posted on 02/09/2011 4:39:37 AM PST by Elsie
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To: FatherofFive
Lets try again:


(Don't get stuck!)

42 posted on 02/09/2011 4:41:37 AM PST by Elsie
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To: F15Eagle

There are people on the sun, dontcha know

- The Sun is a celestialized world, where its inhabitants are perfected. The Prophet Brigham Young taught in General Conference:
“So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is.
Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized.”
See Journal of Discourses, 13:271. Also see Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1 Page 88: “Earth to be Celestialized Sun”


43 posted on 02/09/2011 6:06:50 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: KevinDavis
Yea, I can see that very clearly: exposing mormonISM and blowing up buildings, killing people - yep just the same.
I have an idea ask lds why they are partnering with islamic fascist, been going on for years.

44 posted on 02/09/2011 6:15:55 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Elsie

Speaking of white skin:
- When Native Americans become Mormons, their skin turns white. The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball taught the principle of this process in a General Conference address.
He stated how the “Indians are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.”
He said, “The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation... These young [Indian] members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.”
LDS General Conference, October 1960, Spencer W. Kimball, (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-3).
Original Mormon prophesy of this effect in 2 Nephi 30:6


45 posted on 02/09/2011 6:20:30 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: KevinDavis
Wow, an otherwise seemingly brilliant person making an ignorant and totally unsubstantiated statement...
46 posted on 02/09/2011 8:05:32 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw
Well it kinda goes without saying that Mormon are a bit weak in Astrophysics...

And Archeology...

Genetics...

Reality...

47 posted on 02/09/2011 8:07:53 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender; FatherofFive
PD, I really appreciate your exchange with FOF. It was the clearest sign example of your empty hand.

A poster who is not an known Anti Mormon asks a simple and direct question, wants you as a practitioner of the faith to explain it to them, something anyone with the courage of their convictions and a true and real knowledge of their faith would gladly do and you not only refuse to answer and send him on a lengthy journey to answer an simple question you could and should answer, but when he ask again you IMMEDITLY begin your smoke and mirrors “if you want to know the truth game” over a simple honest and direct inquiry and heap them in with all those who disagree with you?

Is this the best you can do to witness for your faith? Is sending people into a goose chase of hundreds of pages of documentation over a simple question what an honest, faithful and knowledgeable believer would do?

No, of course not...

But that is exactly what YOU do...

And we appreciate it.

48 posted on 02/09/2011 8:21:52 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22; FatherofFive
PD, I really appreciate your exchange with FOF.

FoF; if you want answers from MORMON writings, just let us ANTIs know.

We have YEARS of expertise in these areas.

If there are ANY MORMONs reading this, that do NOT agree that the answers we supply are TRUTHFULL and AUTHENTIC; then they are as FREE as we are to post their OWN answers.


As they say in the ring - May the best man win.

49 posted on 02/09/2011 8:47:54 AM PST by Elsie
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To: ejonesie22; FatherofFive

Speaking of miracles...

This is how SCIENTOLOGY started: http://www.quantumjumping.com/lp/subconscious?sr=1&gclid=CKPAndDC-6YCFULNKgod_BmiCA


50 posted on 02/09/2011 8:48:51 AM PST by Elsie
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