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4 priests charged in sex abuse investigation
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Thu, Feb. 10, 2011 | David O’Reilly

Posted on 02/10/2011 1:02:49 PM PST by topcat54

Monsignor William Lynn, former head of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's Office for Clergy, has been charged for allegedly failing to protect children from sexual abuse by priests, District Attorney Seth Williams announced today.

Two felony counts of endangering the welfare were lodged against Lynn follow a grand jury investigation, Williams said at a news conference.

Williams also announced the Revs. Charles Engelhardt, 64, and Edward Avery, 68, and Bernard Shero, 47, a former 6th grade teacher at St. Jerome's School in Northeast Philadelphia, had been charged with raping and sexually assaulting the same boy in the parish between 1998, when he was 10 years old, and 2000.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; moralabsolutes; pedophile; priesthood; scandal; sexabuse

1 posted on 02/10/2011 1:03:19 PM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54

If they are guilty castration would be too kind.


2 posted on 02/10/2011 1:06:05 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: topcat54

this when the church is launching a multi million dollar add campaign to bring people back to the church.

They should first get the clergy in order and expell, turn over to prosecutors all priests (and others) that were involved in any such scandals. They should do this for both the predators and the ones that shuffled them around.

Excommunicate and prosecute - that would bring people back to the church.


3 posted on 02/10/2011 1:09:52 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

How about if the church focused on establishing an order to provide care for child victims who grew up unable to manage their own lives? Therapy and psychiatric medication and financial management and help with employment.

And try to identify and find those people.
Rather than only paying off the ones who can beat the church in court.


5 posted on 02/10/2011 1:21:47 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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All five men were arrested today, official said.

Good.

6 posted on 02/10/2011 1:26:21 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MrEdd

Most, if not all, dioceses in the United States have established programs administered by members of the laity to do that. I don’t know how successful a specific order would be in gaining the trust of the victims in order to provide them the help they need.


7 posted on 02/10/2011 1:32:39 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Triple
They should first get the clergy in order and expell, turn over to prosecutors all priests (and others) that were involved in any such scandals. They should do this for both the predators and the ones that shuffled them around. Excommunicate and prosecute - that would bring people back to the church.

You're right - God will forgive them when He's ready. For people here to believe that's their job - and that it trumps Cesar's law is blasphemy... These men need to be judged by our legal system...

8 posted on 02/10/2011 1:39:08 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - World Disaster Map)
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To: topcat54
When they're found innocent it's not news, nobody ever gets to know that from the secular press. But it is now estimated that over 1/2 of all previous allegations of sexual abuse were bogus. Of the other half many priests were pressured or forced to resign w/o their day in court, while the Church just paid the accusers off to make the media assault go away. Where there's big money to be taken, the vultures will gather. But God's Church will never die, not by greedy lawyers and lying accusers, or by guilty homosexual deviate priests, not even by Satan himself.

I don't expect the "media", (the gospel of Satan), to treat the perpetually detested Catholic Church fairly, but it is quite interesting to watch them take their axes to the Church and swing away like maniacal demons.

9 posted on 02/10/2011 1:42:08 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: johngrace; All
If they are guilty castration would be too kind.

Death by hanging. (Death ... by Unga-Bunga!!!)

But let us suppose, hypothetically, that they are innocent; that their accusers are deliberately and willfully lying.

What should we, as a society, do with false accusers?

10 posted on 02/10/2011 1:42:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MrEdd
"Rather than only paying off the ones who can beat the church in court."

When taken to Court many of the priests were exhonerated. The vast majority of the payoffs were out of court settlements. Frankly, the Church doesn't know how to protect itself from this sort of thing, (false accusations and unfair media attacks). The Church is a big, easy target. As a Divinely instituted entity whose job it is to preach the gospel and forgiveness of all sins, and to save souls, it's really not much good at defending itself from the vultures. What the Church needs to do is rid itself of homosexual priests, (even the ones who have not been accused of anything). The media refers to these homos as "pedophiles"; even though nearly every single "victim" was a post pubescent BOY, many of them age 16 and 17.

The problem is the Church's acceptance of queers and allowing them to be priests with the false belief they will "behave themselves" and be "Christ-like" once ordained. But the fact is homos can't control their urges nearly as well as normal men. These very words in fact were written in an Apostolic letter by Pope John XXIII in 1961, directing to the bishops of the world to NOT allow homosexuals into the seminary.

11 posted on 02/10/2011 1:56:26 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: jiminycricket000
"When they're found innocent it's not news, nobody ever gets to know that from the secular press. But it is now estimated that over 1/2 of all previous allegations of sexual abuse were bogus. Of the other half many priests were pressured or forced to resign w/o their day in court, while the Church just paid the accusers off to make the media assault go away. Where there's big money to be taken, the vultures will gather. But God's Church will never die, not by greedy lawyers and lying accusers, or by guilty homosexual deviate priests, not even by Satan himself. I don't expect the "media", (the gospel of Satan), to treat the perpetually detested Catholic Church fairly, but it is quite interesting to watch them take their axes to the Church and swing away like maniacal demons."

I'm not a Catholic but I am a lawyer and I can't disagree with a thing you say here, especially the part about greedy lawyers pushing much of this. I know for a fact that is true. The statute of limitations on this type of csae should be two years after the plaintiff turns 18 or two years after the event takes place, which is later. NOT two years after "date of discovery". And concealment should not be able to be used to toll the deadline unless the victim was unconscious or otherwise unable to know the events were taking place.

12 posted on 02/10/2011 2:08:31 PM PST by circlecity
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes. When I was regular bar fly years ago I remember a conversation two had about setting up a priest. I told them it would not work. They asked why? I said well when I get on the witness stand. It will not happen. Just amazing what people will do on either side. True story.


13 posted on 02/10/2011 2:38:59 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace

Thank you ... interesting story, and unsurprising.


14 posted on 02/10/2011 2:43:01 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jiminycricket000

Do you have a link to this”it is now estimated that over 1/2 of all previous allegations of sexual abuse were bogus”.


15 posted on 02/11/2011 6:00:35 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
Attorney claims as many as half of priest abuse accusations are ‘fraudulent or entirely false’

by Thaddeus Baklinski - Thu Jan 13, 2011 16:03 EST

LOS ANGELES, January 13, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) -

LA attorney Donald H. Steier has filed a declaration with the Los Angeles County Superior Court stating that a large number of sex abuse claims against priests are false or heavily exaggerated, according to a report by TheMediaReport

(http://www.themediareport.com/jan2011/special-steier-declaration.htm)

In his declaration Mr. Steier states: “One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse.” (emphasis is Mr. Steier’s)

“In several cases my investigation has provided objective information that could not be reconciled with the truthfulness of the subjective allegations. In other words, in many cases objective facts showed that accusations were false,” Mr. Steier writes.

Mr. Steier, who reports in the declaration that he has taken part in over 100 investigations involving claims of childhood sexual abuse by Catholic clergy in Los Angeles, says that many plaintiffs had come forward only after hearing about lucrative settlements from an abuse claim.

“I am aware of several plaintiffs who testified that they realized that they had been abused only after learning that some other person - sometimes a relative - had received a financial settlement from the Archdiocese or another Catholic institution,” Mr. Steier states.

He describes plaintiffs’ testimonies changing over time, resulting in increased settlement pay-outs.

“In my investigation of many cases, I have seen the stories of some accusers change significantly over time, sometimes altering years, locations, and what activity was alleged - in every case, the changes seemed to have enabled or enhanced claims against my clients, or drastically increased alleged damages,” the veteran attorney declares.

In addition, Mr. Steier claims that many priests under investigation willingly undertook, and passed, lie-detector tests, while their accusers refused the test.

“I have had accused priest clients take polygraph examinations performed by very experienced former law enforcement experts, including from L.A.P.D., the Sheriff Department, and F.B.I. In many cases the examinations showed my clients’ denial of wrongdoing was ‘truthful,’ and in those cases I offered in writing to the accuser to undergo a similar polygraph examination at my expense. In every case the accuser refused to have his veracity tested by that investigative tool, which is routinely used by intelligence agencies,” Mr. Steier reports.

Mr. Steier implicates the victims’ advocacy group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) for their part in making it a simple matter, by means of their website, for anyone wanting to make a false claim of clerical sexual abuse to find the information they need.

“They maintain an interactive Internet website with a user ‘Forum’ and ‘Message Board,’ among other features, where people can share detailed information between alleged victims pertaining to identity of specific alleged perpetrators, their alleged ‘modus operandi,’ and other details of alleged molestation,” Mr. Steier says.

“In effect, a person who wanted to make a false claim of sexual abuse by a priest could go to that website and find a ‘blueprint’ of factual allegations to make that would coincide with allegations made by other people. Law enforcement also uses the S.N.A.P. website to attempt to locate new victims and allegations against Catholic priests.”

In a press release, SNAP denounced Steier’s report as “among the most outrageous and hurtful ever made by a church defense lawyer,” and indicates it will file a California Bar Association complaint against him.

Images of Mr. Steier’s declaration, filed with the LA County Superior Court on December 15, 2010, are available through TheMediaReport website here.

16 posted on 02/11/2011 7:53:51 AM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: jiminycricket000; fatima

But then there is this:

Wednesday, January 5, 2011
NewsBusters Hides Full Truth About Attorney In Catholic Abuse Case
Topic: NewsBusters

Dave Pierre uses a Jan. 2 NewsBusters post to screech about how the media is ignoring what is essentially a friend-of-the-court brief filed in a court case regarding sexual abuse of children by priests in the Los Angeles Catholic Diocese by “veteran attorney Donald H. Steier” in which he asserts that “about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse” (capital letters are his).”

Pierre makes a big deal out of how Steier submitted his brief “under penalty of perjury” and attacked an advocacy group for the victims of the priests.

But Pierre omits a pertinent fact: As Examiner.com’s Kay Ebeling points out, Steier has served as a defense attorney for “accused priests all over southern California,” which makes him hardly the unbiased, independent observer Pierre suggests he is. Indeed, the Los Angeles Diocese has paid Steier in the past.

As part of his representation of accused priests, Steier has opposed the release of internal church documents that would shed light on the abuse allegations — which would seem to cast further doubt on the veracity of his claims.

Pierre goes on to hiliarously attack a response to Steier’s filing by the victim-advocacy group SNAP, asserting that there is a “glaring absence from SNAP’s statement. The organization does not refute nor deny any of the specific claims made by Steier. It simply labels them as ‘outrageous’ and ‘hurtful.’ That is hardly a blow to the explosive declaration aired by the veteran attorney.” (Italics his.)

Pierre goes on to mock SNAP’s call for church officialsto reveal how much money it has paid Steier. But Pierre doesn’t deny that Steier was paid by the church, which raises the possibility that the brief Steier filed was also done on the church’s payroll.

Pierre also has a poorly disclosed conflict of interest: His end-of-post bio asserts that he “is the author of the heralded book Double Standard: Abuse Scandals and the Attack on the Catholic Church.” The Amazon page Pierre links to reveals that his book was published by CreateSpace, the self-publishing division of Amazon. As for how the book has been “heralded,” the Amazon page has three Pierre-supplied laudatory quotes and exactly one reader review. We’re not sure that qualifies as “heralded.”

So Pierre is little more than an apologist for the Catholic Church, even as he concedes that “Yes, Catholic priests terribly abused minors, and bishops failed to stop the harm.” That, by the way, is a line he basically copied-and-pasted from the promotional blurb for his self-published book.


17 posted on 02/11/2011 9:21:04 AM PST by tiggs (Kentucky Fried Condor)
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To: tiggs

Thanks tiggs.


18 posted on 02/11/2011 10:22:33 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: jiminycricket000

Thanks jiminycricket000,I am going to do a little more research on this.


19 posted on 02/11/2011 10:24:36 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: tiggs
"But Pierre omits a pertinent fact: As Examiner.com’s Kay Ebeling points out, Steier has served as a defense attorney for “accused priests all over southern California,” which makes him hardly the unbiased, independent observer Pierre suggests he is. Indeed, the Los Angeles Diocese has paid Steier in the past.

It makes Pierre the most intimately and intensely informed man in this whole debacle. I wouldn't say he is biased simply because he sees the scam for what it is, a SCAM. No one except those who take the time to follow this priestly abuse scandal ever get to find out how many priests never got a trial, their superiors chosing to pay the accusers off rather than have a News Room Entertainment Show blowing the scandal way out of proportion, and slandering the entire Catholic Church in the process. Few people know how many priests decided to fight and were acquitted in court. And fewer less know that a rather large segment of accused priests have long been dead, or were living in nursing homes with dementia. (many of the accusations went back to the 1960's and 70's). It's sort of difficult to defend one's honor when you're dead or unable to think, so I guess they're autmatically guilty too.

Other facts that the "news" never reports is that the VAST majority of the victims were males, post pubescent males from the ages of 12 - 17. This of course makes it a homosexual abuse story, not a "pedophile" story. Of course the "news" stations clearly understand that the word "pedophile" is far more detested than the word "homosexual", especially since the media itself have helped raise homosexuality up to the level of special civil rights. T'would be difficult to say a priest is "bad" because he had a "gay" relationship with a 15 year old boy, whilst their beloved Barney Frank is giving oral pleasure to his boy toy. Half the media are homosexual too, so the story had to be a "pedophilia" one; or put another way, a LIE.

There's no doubt that many of these homosexual deviate priests did what some accusers said they did, and there's also no doubt that the media and many of the "victims" lied through their teeth. The "victims" for the large sums of money, the media for the "glory" of throwing dirt on the Church. The liberal media perpetually lies through its teeth to bring down conservative politicians, conservative philosophy and conservative institutions, and the Catholic Church is one of their favorite whipping posts.

20 posted on 02/11/2011 10:16:42 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: jiminycricket000
.....Other facts that the "news" never reports is that the VAST majority of the victims were males, post pubescent males from the ages of 12 - 17. This of course makes it a homosexual abuse story, not a "pedophile" story. Of course the "news" stations clearly understand that the word "pedophile" is far more detested than the word "homosexual", especially since the media itself have helped raise homosexuality up to the level of special civil rights. T'would be difficult to say a priest is "bad" because he had a "gay" relationship with a 15 year old boy, whilst their beloved Barney Frank is giving oral pleasure to his boy toy. Half the media are homosexual too, so the story had to be a "pedophilia" one; or put another way, a LIE. There's no doubt that many of these homosexual deviate priests did what some accusers said they did, and there's also no doubt that the media and many of the "victims" lied through their teeth. The "victims" for the large sums of money, the media for the "glory" of throwing dirt on the Church. The liberal media perpetually lies through its teeth to bring down conservative politicians, conservative philosophy and conservative institutions, and the Catholic Church is one of their favorite whipping posts.

I do not think you understand what your words sound like. It is as if much time and money has been spent in splitting hairs over evil deeds and acts. pubescent versus post pubescent males as manner of discourse in Church.

There appears to be NO shame over what activity is done behind the supposed altar.

21 posted on 02/11/2011 10:31:00 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"I do not think you understand what your words sound like. It is as if much time and money has been spent in splitting hairs over evil deeds and acts. pubescent versus post pubescent males as manner of discourse in Church. There appears to be NO shame over what activity is done behind the supposed altar."

It appears to me that there's no shame over what is spoken by an ignorant fool on Free Republic. Oh, I know what I sound like alright. It's just that fools such as yourself don't get it. The difference between a homosexual act and a pedophilia act is vast. Just as is the difference between pre and post pubescent boys involved in these cases. "Pedophelia" is a sexual act performed on very young children, both boys and girls. The "act" is supposed to be what the pervert believes is "love". If you can't see the difference between a queer adult having sex with a queer 15 year old boy, and a pedophile forcing himself on a 3 year old girl, then methinks perhaps you have some sexual deviancy problems of your own. Or perhaps you're just a few fries short of a Happy Meal and can't grasp simple concepts.

22 posted on 02/11/2011 10:41:48 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: jiminycricket000
It appears to me that there's no shame over what is spoken by an ignorant fool on Free Republic. Oh, I know what I sound like alright. It's just that fools such as yourself don't get it. The difference between a homosexual act and a pedophilia act is vast. Just as is the difference between pre and post pubescent boys involved in these cases. "Pedophelia" is a sexual act performed on very young children, both boys and girls. The "act" is supposed to be what the pervert believes is "love". If you can't see the difference between a queer adult having sex with a queer 15 year old boy, and a pedophile forcing himself on a 3 year old girl, then methinks perhaps you have some sexual deviancy problems of your own. Or perhaps you're just a few fries short of a Happy Meal and can't grasp simple concepts.

I am so very thankful for you to have put right into print, in your very own words, exactly what this abomination is really all about. And imagine people who demand they be called 'Father' messing about with God's children and then act all 'holy' about the age of the victim... Carry on.

23 posted on 02/11/2011 10:45:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"I am so very thankful for you to have put right into print, in your very own words, exactly what this abomination is really all about. And imagine people who demand they be called 'Father' messing about with God's children and then act all 'holy' about the age of the victim... Carry on."

I don't know of any instance when one of these accused priests "acted all holy about the age of the victim", (maybe you can enlighten me with one single example)? But I do know the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, and it is great. It's obvious why the media, a well known bastion of homosexuals and perverts itself, has the need to refer to this abuse as "pedophilia", lest they end up judging themselves. A lie is a lie, whether it's blurring the difference between good and evil, or between two different evils. It's all about hypocracy, a pro-homosexual media condemning homosexuals in the priesthood, but calling it another name to save their own face and protect their very own agenda that helps perpetuate this abomination in the first place.

To sum up, homosexual deviate priests who have abused others, whether children or adults, need to be punished and defrocked, imho. But the media, (dirty as Hell when it comes to the homosexual agenda), helps perpetuate homosexuality by calling it normal, fighting for gay "marriage", and fostering its teaching in grade school under the banner of "sex ed". With over 400,000 Catholic priests in the world, and an estimated several hundred of them abusive perverts, the media, the public school system and most other professions should be looking at those numbers with envy, and try to figure out how they themselves can have such a good percentage. Especially the media and public schools. The Dallas Morning News reported several years ago that over 600 teachers in Texas alone sexually molested children in a three year period. Now take that back to the 1960's like they've done with priests, and multiply Texas by fifty, (50 states), and you begin to see where the problem really lies. If you're not an anti-Catholic bigot with a thick skull, that is.

24 posted on 02/14/2011 8:51:26 AM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: topcat54

3 Philly priests named in DA report suspended.
“This comes as Cardinal Justin Rigali said that 34 other priests who are still in active ministry will also have their cases re-examined.”

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7962588


25 posted on 02/16/2011 9:40:43 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: jiminycricket000
jiminycricket000
,You seem very emotionally about this and name calling?It's called pedophilia.Marty Satchell was a friend of mine.He was never alone with my children ever.I personally knew 13 priests from the 2005 report.I had no clue.I once read a Saint that said the quickest way to lose your Faith is to become friends with a priest. Former Catholic school student sues Philly archdiocese-Published: Tuesday, February 15, 2011; "The first abuse occurred in the early 1990s, when seminarian Martin Satchell molested the second-grader at St. Aloysius in suburban Bryn Mawr, sometimes in the bathroom, the lawsuit said. The archdiocese had or should have had concerns by then about Satchell, who became a priest in May 1993, was sent for sex-offender therapy by year's end and left the priesthood by 2004, the suit said" http://pottsmerc.com/articles/2011/02/15/news/doc4d5a7512d6954098836239.txt
26 posted on 02/16/2011 10:08:53 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
"I once read a Saint that said the quickest way to lose your Faith is to become friends with a priest."

I'd love to know the name of that "saint", and what the constext of his statement was, because all of the Saints were priests, or nuns, or 'religious', (third Orders, Brothers, Monks, etc) or lay Catholics who greatly honored Jesus Christ through His Holy Bride, the Church, and gave great honor and deference to their priests and confessors. Saint Theresa the Little Flower made it her practice to kiss the ground a priest walked on, because he represented Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Perhaps the 'saint' you refer to was making the case that Priests are not like you and I, and that familiarity, (close friendship), with these consecrated agents of Jesus Christ, given power to forgive sins and perform the Sacraments on Christians, would make a man prideful, or would tend to lessen that man's deep respect for the priest as he saw him more and more as "just another man".

But frankly, I don't believe you at all anyway. You see, all the Saints had 'confessors', PRIESTS, of whom they relied upon for guidance and for keeping their faith strong. Perhaps you're referring to a Protestant 'saint', like Martin Luther? Surely not a Catholic Saint, unless you've chosen to hide his name and the context of the words he allegedly spoke so you can functionally misquote him.

BTW, the reason I point out the difference, (and it is enormous), between homosexual perversion and pedophilia is that if the Church decides to weed out those who are pedophiles and leave alone those who are homosexuals, they would be making the deadly mistake of attacking the wrong problem, and the problems will continue on. For the most part, those abusive priests were not pedophiles, they were just homos who liked their partners young.

27 posted on 02/17/2011 1:35:34 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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