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New Confession app is no substitution for the sacrament, Vatican says
cna ^ | February 10, 2011 | Alan Holdren

Posted on 02/10/2011 1:33:43 PM PST by NYer

Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi

Vatican City, Feb 9, 2011 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The sacrament of Confession "cannot be substituted by any computer application," the Vatican said Feb. 9. The remarks by papal spokesman Father Federico Lombardi, SJ, came amid a flurry of misleading international media reports on a new application developed for Apple’s iPhone, iPad and iPod.

"Confession: A Roman Catholic App" helps Catholics prepare for confession by offering a “step-by-step” guide to the sacrament and a “personalized examination of conscience.”

Many media outlets wrongly reported that the application allowed Catholics to go to Confession on the phone or online.

Fr. Lombardi said the essence of the sacrament involves the intimate conversation of the believer and the priest and the presence of Jesus Christ.

"It is essential to understand well that the Sacrament of Penance requires necessarily the rapport of personal dialogue between penitent and confessor and absolution by the present confessor," he said.

"This cannot be substituted by any computer application. There needs to be emphasis put on this to avoid misunderstandings. One cannot speak in any way of 'confession by iPhone'.”

He said that the new application might have “true pastoral” uses as a “digital pastoral aid.” But, those who use it, must be aware that it is “not at all a substitute for the sacrament.”

The application was developed by Patrick Leinen, developer and co-founder of Little iApps and has been approved by Bishop Kevin Rhoades of Fort Wayne-South Bend and by the U.S. bishops’ top doctrine official, Fr. Thomas G. Weinandy, OFM. Cap.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: confession; ilovebillgates; iphone; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys; vatican

1 posted on 02/10/2011 1:33:46 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/10/2011 1:34:21 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

You mean I wasted $1.99 on iPriest 1.1? I even got the iForgiveU add-on, including the Hail Mary loop counter for that .49 surcharge!


3 posted on 02/10/2011 1:36:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: freedumb2003
Yes ... you wasted your money.

That's what you get for believing the sewage spewed by the leftist secular media.

Let that be a lesson to all!

:'}

4 posted on 02/10/2011 1:38:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Will the Windows program "Blue Screen of Last Rites" still be acceptable?
5 posted on 02/10/2011 1:43:23 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Then I better remain mum on iRosary and eGrace...


6 posted on 02/10/2011 1:46:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: KarlInOhio

>>Will the Windows program “Blue Screen of Last Rites” still be acceptable? <<

I hope so, since Doctrine says we must embrace the inevitable as God’s Will...


7 posted on 02/10/2011 1:48:14 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: NYer

This sounds like a great idea. Wouldn’t more people do it if it were convenient?

I’m not Catholic, just an outsider viewpoint here.....


8 posted on 02/10/2011 1:53:14 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: freedumb2003
Then I better remain mum on iRosary and eGrace...

Is it the 1st of April again? The iRosary suggests so...
British musicians send pope iPod nano packed with modern church music
ESV-Kindle-Only Churches Growing Fast
Google Buys Out all Bible Versions, Offers E-Tablet

9 posted on 02/10/2011 1:54:43 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Those are all hilarious.

btw: Your name (is it your RL name?) is the same as a man who was very important to me in my youth. He was a man of great dignity who reached down to a guide a child who needed it badly.

Of course, all (of us) who carry the “Murphy” name have the luck and burden of being the best of the Irish!


10 posted on 02/10/2011 2:02:25 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: NYer

This is funny, yet instructive. Anytime you put man or machine between you and God you have erred.


11 posted on 02/10/2011 2:05:50 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: freedumb2003

I looped the iRosary at high speed processing.

I did 1.2 gigaRosaries in one minute.

At this point I can do anything I want forever and I’m in the clear!

Ain’t technology wonderful! Hail Mary full of grace. The Lord is truly with you!


12 posted on 02/10/2011 2:11:57 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: freedumb2003
Your name (is it your RL name?) is the same as a man who was very important to me in my youth. He was a man of great dignity who reached down to a guide a child who needed it badly.

I'm both honored and humbled to carry the name of that man. Thank you.

13 posted on 02/10/2011 2:16:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: 240B

I was feeling particularly penitent, so I set the clock speed down.

It isn’t penance if it doesn’t hurt, ya’ know.

I plan on down-clocking Last Rites too, when the time comes...


14 posted on 02/10/2011 2:17:13 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: SaxxonWoods

>>Anytime you put man or machine between you and God you have erred.<<

That isn’t RC Doctrine — just an FYI.


15 posted on 02/10/2011 2:18:18 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: Alex Murphy

You have quite a mantle. I am sure you carry it well! :)


16 posted on 02/10/2011 2:20:39 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: NYer

The only good thing from all this is that it will PREPARE you for the recieving the holy sacrement, BUT, you MUST STILL SEE A FLESH-AND-BLOOD priest for confession.


17 posted on 02/10/2011 2:23:48 PM PST by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: NYer
Save .74 and give it to the poor instead.

$1.25 at your local Catholic bookstore. No batteries required.

18 posted on 02/10/2011 2:39:33 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer

I read about this earlier this week & thought it sounded like nothing more than a guide for examining your conscience. It seemed like a great way to reach younger, more techno-savvy Catholics who might not otherwise have access to such a resource. Leave it to the media to lie, spin, and undermine all things Catholic by misrepresenting the truth.

And some FReepers are tasteless & immature with their sarcastic, mocking posts. I will pray for them.


19 posted on 02/10/2011 3:05:39 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ...
The Vatican weighs in on the iPad and iPhone confession app—PING!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!

Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!


Apple and the Church Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

20 posted on 02/10/2011 3:13:25 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

>>And some FReepers are tasteless & immature with their sarcastic, mocking posts.<<

It’s just another day for Catholic FReepers on FR.

My DH has both the entire Bible and the Missal on his Palm.


21 posted on 02/10/2011 3:38:23 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom

Hmmm. That sounds nice. I’d like to get the missal for iPhone. I have several prayer apps, divine mercy, & iRosary both for myself and the child’s version. I’ll have to check the app store! Thanks!


22 posted on 02/10/2011 3:53:16 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: NYer
Many media outlets wrongly reported that the application allowed Catholics to go to Confession on the phone or online.

yes, they sure did. Even my nondenominational Protestant friend said, "hey, than can't be right! You need to do it person to person..."

Still, it does have the Imprimatur and so it's easy to understand why the media would get it wrong. Wuuudatheyknow about the Catechism?

Think it would be handy to have the Ten Commandments and an aid to the examination of conscience right there for when I'm on the subway, though.

23 posted on 02/10/2011 4:27:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: SaxxonWoods
This is funny, yet instructive. Anytime you put man or machine between you and God you have erred.

Is that so? Are man and machine equal?

And what about Jesus? Isn't he a man as much as is God? What do we do with him while his divine self is mediating? Gad, sounds like a real dilemma.

24 posted on 02/10/2011 4:33:49 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“Are man and machine equal?”

No, and my statement did not equate man with machine. The error of a machine is that of a man. The error of man is his own.

“And what about Jesus? Isn’t he a man as much as is God? What do we do with him while his divine self is mediating? Gad, sounds like a real dilemma.”

I suggest you pray directly to Him about that. I have no dilemma regarding the nature of Christ.

Blessings.


25 posted on 02/10/2011 4:46:29 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: SaxxonWoods
This is funny, yet instructive. Anytime you put man or machine between you and God you have erred.

Isn't that what Jesus was all about, to establish a New Covenant with God to replace the Old? Didn't he throw out the money changers and the other businesses that had grown up around the church?

Then Peter's church grew into a bureaucracy of its own and re-enterjected itself between God and man. The Catholic Church is now afraid technology may make is less relevant.

Jesus also condemned those who made a big deal out of praying in an effort to show their "Godliness" to others, admonishing instead that we should go into a closet, away from the sight and sound of others, to pray.

This App actually enhances the scripture.

26 posted on 02/10/2011 5:33:54 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: freedumb2003; 240B

Mock at your peril!


27 posted on 02/10/2011 5:37:12 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
And some FReepers are tasteless & immature with their sarcastic, mocking posts. I will pray for them.

So will I but I am not optimistic. It is by Grace that we are saved and I am doubtful that those who are mostly concerned with the materialistic rather than the Spiritual will avail themselves to it. Epiphanies are rare.

28 posted on 02/10/2011 5:42:45 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: NYer
Wow - sorry to hear about this...scam... but it does sound exactly what a Catholic with no Bible doctrine in their soul needs...
1,600 years the Catholics have hid the KJV Bible from the common man to read, that is why even today so few Catholics know how to rightly divide the truth of God's Word and follow the Law of Israel which Jesus Christ preached to Israel... but no Catholic realized that Christ communicated to the Apostle Paul that the Law has been fulfilled in us via the cross and resurrection of Christ: we need never to perform the Law for good works for salvation nor for anything else.
I a a true Saint and Believer which God had called me before the foundation of the world, Christ said His sheep know him: and I do know my savior who died for ALL sins - past, present, and future. No confession needed since the high priest has already died for all past, present, and future sins.
When my flesh dies on this earth - I will absolutely go directly to heaven; Paul says: absent from the body, present with the Lord. Well, Catholics would not know that verse since it's Paul. So from Catholic doctrine, all the Catholic souls go to purgatory and hope for earthly prayer to save them...sorry...
29 posted on 02/10/2011 6:08:44 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; 240B

it isn’t mocking...

God has a great sense of humor and He blessed his children with the same.

We should (and, IMHO) must share our enjoyment with one another.


30 posted on 02/10/2011 6:15:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“This App actually enhances the scripture.”

A book could be described as a machine, and then things get quite interesting, don’t they?

I have no experience with the App, so I can’t comment about its’ possible ‘enhancements.’ The App is a tool of man, an extension of the maker. It cannot err on its’ own, it can only replicate error (if any) instilled by the maker. If you feel it enhances your relationship with God, you are certainly free to use it, regardless the exhortations of men.

As to the earlier part of your comment, Jesus did well with a donkey on loan and little else. But then we are talking about God, aren’t we?

Blessings.


31 posted on 02/10/2011 6:16:18 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: freedumb2003; All
Thank you. I wasn't mocking. I am a software engineer and this is just the way I am trained to think. I work with software and performance specs everyday and this is exactly the kind of thing I a normally tasked with.

I apologize to anyone offended. That was far from my intent.
I dunno? I thought it was kind of funny, in a Blues Brothers sort of way, and too absurd to be taken seriously. Fully and unequivocally, without reservation, I apologize.

See you all next Sunday for communion.

32 posted on 02/10/2011 6:49:44 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

No offense taken — that is the point :)

We can play with religion a bit and still be somewhat devout...


33 posted on 02/10/2011 7:55:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: NYer
Many media outlets wrongly reported that the application allowed Catholics to go to Confession on the phone or online.

As I told the kids in my Confirmation class, don't EVER believe anything the media says about the Catholic Church, because those folks are, for the most part, CLUELESS!

34 posted on 02/10/2011 8:06:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: NYer

No knowledgeable Catholic would believe you can confess using an app. An app is only good for reading through the examination of conscience questions as a preparation for going to your priest and confessing. The examination of conscience is a great way to open your mind to considering all the ways you’ve possibly sinned that you had forgotten or hadn’t thought of before. It’s a great exercise in humility.

Then you show your humility again by actually confessing your sins to another human being who has been given the power to represent Christ and absolve you of them.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation is a wonderful, healing (spiritually and psychologically), and restorative gift. I always feel as light as a cloud when I leave the confessional!


35 posted on 02/10/2011 8:27:39 PM PST by Melian ( See Matt 7: 21 and 1 John 2: 3-6)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Check out iPieta. You will be astounded at what that app has on it. It is amazing!


36 posted on 02/10/2011 8:30:44 PM PST by Melian ( See Matt 7: 21 and 1 John 2: 3-6)
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To: bibletruth
Wow - sorry to hear about this...scam

No "scam" involved, unless you count the scam perpetrated by the mainstream media, which almost never seems to get a story about any aspect of Christian belief and practice right.

1,600 years the Catholics have hid the KJV Bible from the common man to read

How's that? The KJV is 400 years old. I have a perfectly serviceable copy, and it's not "hidden" from me at all; I know exactly where it is.

Paul says: absent from the body, present with the Lord. Well, Catholics would not know that verse since it's Paul.

I know it well enough not to misquote it like you just did.

So from Catholic doctrine, all the Catholic souls go to purgatory and hope for earthly prayer to save them

Nope, you got that one wrong, too. Sorry. Better luck next time. Well, Catholics would not know that verse since it's Paul. So from Catholic doctrine, all the Catholic souls go to purgatory and hope for earthly prayer to save them.

37 posted on 02/10/2011 9:51:14 PM PST by Campion
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Examination of Conscience by Fr. John Corapi -- free on the Internet; you can save the whole $1.99 ;-)
38 posted on 02/10/2011 9:54:49 PM PST by Campion
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To: NYer
Hey, these links are FREE!

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

Euthanasia

2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.

2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged.


39 posted on 02/10/2011 11:51:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Brett66
This sounds like a great idea. Wouldn’t more people do it if it were convenient?

I’m not Catholic, just an outsider viewpoint here.....

Not really, IMO. Confession isn't utilized as much as it used to be any more. You can verify this yourself if you go into a Catholic church on Saturdays, maybe around 4-4:30 (depending on when the Vigil Mass will be celebrated, Confessions are usually offered before that at most parishes) and you will probably see an empty Confessional (a little green light above a door means that Confessional has a priest in it but no one confessing their sins).

40 posted on 02/11/2011 7:37:32 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I, like you, have not seen the App nor am I a Catholic. As I understand it, it is simply words that are accessible via smart phone or other computer gadgets. The Bible can also be accessed the same way. It is not a machine coming between God and man, it is simply another delivery system, words on a screen rather than words on paper.

My point was that if it is as described, it allows a person to confess to God without the need for a priest. Perhaps I am wrong. It may just be a coaching mechanism in preparation for confession. Who cares anyway?


41 posted on 02/11/2011 8:36:25 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“Who cares anyway?”

Certainly not me. I find it amusing.


42 posted on 02/11/2011 9:43:54 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Ah but you did equate them. But that's insignificant in light of what it suggests are your other habits of cognitive dissonance.

Please, I didn't ask for your advice.

43 posted on 02/11/2011 3:56:09 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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