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PHILADELPHIA PRIESTS ACCUSED BY GRAND JURY OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND COVER-UP
New York Times ^ | 2-10-11 | Jon Hurdle

Posted on 02/11/2011 7:11:53 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

A grand jury on Thursday accused the Archdiocese of Philadelphia of failing to stop the sexual abuse of children more than five years after a grand jury report documented abuse by more than 50 priests.

The new report said a senior church official charged with investigating allegations of sexual abuse by priests had in fact allowed some of those accused to remain in posts that gave them continued access to children. It charged him with endangering the welfare of minors and accused three priests and a teacher of raping two boys between 1996 and 1999.

“By no means do we believe that these were the only two parishioners who were abused during this period,” the report said.

At least 37 priests who are subject to “substantial evidence of abuse” are still in roles that bring them into contact with children, the new report said, and 10 of those have been in place since before 2005, when the last grand jury made its allegations...

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
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At least 37 accused priests remain in positions within the RCC that brings them into contact with kids.

In one city.

1 posted on 02/11/2011 7:11:56 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: TSgt; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; ...
The audacity of the Philadelphia diocese is astounding.

From the article...

The report also charged Msgr. William Lynn, secretary of clergy in the archdiocese under former Cardinal Anthony J. Bevilacqua, with endangering the welfare of children by allowing “dangerous” priests to remain in place. Monsignor Lynn was responsible for investigating abuse allegations from 1992 to 2004.

“The rapist priests we accuse were well known to the Secretary of Clergy, but he cloaked their conduct and put them in place to do it again,” the grand jury said.

This devastating appraisal is not from a slanted media or disgruntled Protestants, but from the grand jury itself.

Let the empty excuses commence.

2 posted on 02/11/2011 7:18:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
there are NO convictions and I suppose every man every accused of rape should go to serve 20 yrs in jail first and then get a trial...

I have no problem with going after anybody who hurts children, but a simple accusation is NOT enough....take these people to a regular trial....but they won't and you know why?....there is no evidence...

muck rackers looking for loot....that's what most of this is....its not about right and wrong....its about money...

3 posted on 02/11/2011 7:23:54 PM PST by cherry
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
America needs to be blown off the face of the earth. Priest,Teachers,Pedophiles & Homosexuals are stripping our youth of their innocence and turning them into perverts. Therefore America has become a perveted nation.Maybe we should welcome Islam! Think about it.
4 posted on 02/11/2011 7:25:51 PM PST by RocketRoland
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I don’t know if the article linked to this but it is the original grand jury report. I think it is the whole document if not you can go to Bishop Accountablity. It is a good site and has many original source documents.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2005_09_21_Philly_GrandJury/Philly_01.pdf

This is the report from 2005. To say I am disgusted and angry at what these men did and what the Bishops did to hide their crimes would be a vast understatement. All I can say is that there is a hell and God never sends anyone there without justification. He has it here. I know as a Christian I should pray they repent but honestly I just don’t have the heart to do so. I want them to suffer. IF not in the afterlife at least here now. Financially and in every other way possible. I want them to know the pain and fear those children felt. I want them to crawl on their knees over broken glass with dung in their mouths and fire clutched in their hands. I want their tears to salt the earth.

God damn them to hell.


5 posted on 02/11/2011 7:28:03 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Sounds reasonable to me.


6 posted on 02/11/2011 7:30:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: lastchance

I should add if guilty of the charges.


7 posted on 02/11/2011 7:30:52 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: cherry
there is no evidence...

muck rackers looking for loot....that's what most of this is....its not about right and wrong....its about money...

May God open the eyes of the blind. They are complicit.

Oh, and maybe you should look up the meaning of "muckracker" unless you want to keep using it incorrectly.

The word is quite appropriate for what newspaper articles like this are hoping to do.

8 posted on 02/11/2011 7:34:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RocketRoland

We can be a little more discerning than blowing up the entire continent.

The guilty need to be tried and convicted, not hidden like Rome does when it shuffles around pederast priests from one church to another, hiding them from police and parents, and permitting them to rape again.

KNOWINGLY permitting them to rape again, as this article makes clear.


9 posted on 02/11/2011 7:37:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Here is the current report. I’ve not read it yet.

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/clergyAbuse2-finalReport.pdf


10 posted on 02/11/2011 7:39:31 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I think the Bible gives a rather graphic and appropriate vision of what awaits non repentant sinners. What a conflict. Knowing I should want all men to turn from sin and be with Christ in Glory and my total anger over the horror of their crimes and longing they be justly punished.

But who is not deserving of hell’s justice? In Christ alone can we claim to be worthy of heaven. I pray He eases the pain of the victims and moves my heart to mercy. But if He delay in lifting my anger for just a bit, that’s o.k. by me.


11 posted on 02/11/2011 7:43:04 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Umm, any imbecil can accuse anyone of anything. Thats why there’s a process due.


12 posted on 02/11/2011 7:56:34 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Kill them all; let God sort them out.


13 posted on 02/11/2011 7:57:04 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Hunh. You know all those teachers and coaches we’re always reading about who seduce their students? When will any city anywhere accuse itself of “failing to prevent” that abuse? Guess that would because conflict of interest, Hunh?


14 posted on 02/11/2011 7:59:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: RocketRoland
America needs to be blown off the face of the earth

zot

16 posted on 02/11/2011 8:08:45 PM PST by xone
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To: the invisib1e hand

Ugh, guess what? We’re not even talking about “prevention” here. We’re talking about covering up sexual abuse and permitting pederast priests to continue to rape children.

Protestant ministers and public school teachers who molest children generally get reported to police and sent to jail. There are protocols in place which demand accusations go directly to the police.

Not so with Roman Catholic priests. Rome has made it an excommunicable offense to go to anyone other than someone within the church hierarchy with accusations against a priest.

And as we’ve seen over and over, these accusations get ignored, buried and denied by RC apologists who yell “it’s all about the money!”

Do Roman Catholics have any concept of how disgusting that response it when it is leveled at EVERY accusation made against these pederast priests who not only are protected, but very often receive a promotion?

Why do you think grand juries are so furious with these RC dioceses after they see the evidence?

BECAUSE ROME HIDES PEDERAST PRIESTS AND FACILITATES THEIR CONTINUING ABUSE OF CHILDREN.


17 posted on 02/11/2011 8:08:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The city of brotherly love, no less.

Indeed, there’s nothing new under the sun.

IBTPPD (In before the pedophile priest defenders)


18 posted on 02/11/2011 8:11:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

There is no due process in Rome. That’s the point. Rome is a fiefdom of one. For decades these dioceses have refused to go to the police with the many MANY accusations against its pederast priests.

Instead, Rome tells everyone “they’ll handle it.”

And as we’ve seen, Rome ignores these accusations, instead blaming the victims with indignant cries of “it’s all about the money.’


19 posted on 02/11/2011 8:13:17 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Let the empty excuses commence.

And they did, forthwith.

I was too late I see.

20 posted on 02/11/2011 8:13:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The denials are almost as reprehensible as the acts themselves.


21 posted on 02/11/2011 8:17:11 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Rome has made it an excommunicable offense to go to anyone other than someone within the church hierarchy with accusations against a priest.”

Dr, either prove your words, or eat them. Respectfully. You may provide links to official Roman Catholic Church documents for me, and the rest of the readers. OR, retract those words. Your choice.


22 posted on 02/11/2011 8:17:11 PM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: lastchance
God knows.....

Matthew 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark 9:42 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

Luke 17:1-2 And he said to his disciples, "Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.

A human jury is the least of their problems.

23 posted on 02/11/2011 8:18:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sayuncledave

This has been posted dozens of times.

Read Crimen Sollicitationis.

And it’s still in force, as evidenced by Ratzinger’s letter to his bishops.


24 posted on 02/11/2011 8:19:34 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sayuncledave; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

“Dr, either prove your words, or eat them. Respectfully. You may provide links to official Roman Catholic Church documents for me, and the rest of the readers. OR, retract those words. Your choice.”

http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn080703.htm

Look under the header of *Trial Confidentiality* at this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimen_sollicitationis


25 posted on 02/11/2011 8:27:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lastchance

Well, you make the third Catholic on FR who I’ve ever seen in no uncertain terms condemn what has happened


26 posted on 02/11/2011 8:30:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sayuncledave
CRIMEN SOLLICITATIONIS, paragraph 13
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13. The oath of keeping the secret must be given in these cases also by the accusers or these denouncing [the priest] and the witnesses.

Ratzinger's 2001 letter to all the bishops clearly spelling out that the church's supposed jurisdiction and oath of secrecy run for 10 years beyond the victim's 18th birthday, regardless of the age of the victim when he was sexually molested by a priest...

FROM THE DESK OF JOE RATZINGER

...It must be noted that the criminal action on delicts reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is extinguished by a prescription of 10 years.(11) The prescription runs according to the universal and common law;(12) however, in the delict perpetrated with a minor by a cleric, the prescription begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age...

The "prescription" is silence by all involved.

And finally, the dastardly Guardian article that dared to say it like it is...and was...

POPE OBSTRUCTED SEX ABUSE INQUIRY

...The letter states that the church's jurisdiction 'begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age' and lasts for 10 years.

It orders that 'preliminary investigations' into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger's office, which has the option of referring them back to private tribunals in which the 'functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests'.

'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication...


27 posted on 02/11/2011 8:36:53 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom

Thanks for the additional links. Ping to 27.


28 posted on 02/11/2011 8:39:31 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The grand jury report is available online for any wishing to read it. It is NOT just accusations by any means.
One comment from the report stands out from all others:

“Most devastating of all, we saw firsthand what Father Thomas Doyle calls “soul
murder.” As Father Doyle, a conscientious Dominican priest who has assisted clergyabuse victims around the world, points out, these children suffer from the abuse not just
physically and psychologically, but spiritually. The faith they need to cope with the
tragedies of life is for them forever defiled. In order for a priest to satisfy his sexual
impulses, these children lose their innocence, their virginity, their security, and their
faith. It is hard to think of a crime more heinous”

Covering it up comes close.


29 posted on 02/11/2011 8:39:43 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
Ping to post 7.

It goes without saying, but they always say it.

30 posted on 02/11/2011 8:41:03 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

How anyone can excuse this is beyond me.

And yet there’s no end to the number of Catholics who are willing to condemn non-Catholics for criticizing priests who molest children.

This whole secrecy thing is so vile.


31 posted on 02/11/2011 8:42:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change
Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church

1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

Th Catholic church has been very disobedient to the dictates of the Scripture that it claims it wrote in this regard.

It creates at least a twofold problem.

One is that their lack of action only encourages more of said behavior.

The other its that presents the Church to the world as a hypocritical, self-serving, old boy network which is more intent on protecting its own from civil penalties, that it is in protecting the laity from IT.

32 posted on 02/11/2011 9:05:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Yeah, but I agree.

False accusations in an area like this are hideous and devastating.

However, it should be able to go without saying that that is understood. Nobody makes that kind of statement about someone who they believe is innocent.


33 posted on 02/11/2011 9:08:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
“Protestant ministers and public school teachers who molest children generally get reported to police and sent to jail. There are protocols in place which demand accusations go directly to the police.”

Are you really that naive?

There is absolutely no reason to doubt that there exists a large number of Catholic priests who have sexually abused children.
The same can be said, with equal authority, of Protestant ministers and public school teachers. We can add policemen,doctors, politicians, and virtually every occupation and every familial relationship title.

All it takes is a sexually perverted adult with access to a child to create a victim.

I personally know a few mothers and fathers who even blamed their own child for “their involvement in sexual perversion”.
It's an extremely ugly crime, and the victims of it carry a lifetime legacy of subtle societal punishments.
First from the act itself.
Then from the guilt of the very people who were supposed to protect them from harm, but failed, and generally end up blaming the victim for their guilt in failing to protect the child.
The Catholic Church doesn't have the patent on that.
People in all walks of life, in all societies, tend to try to cover up, or otherwise pretend away the brutal sexual abuse of children and women, mostly by blaming the victims and/or refusing to even acknowledge someone they associate with is capable of such perversion.

Like you just did.

34 posted on 02/11/2011 9:12:06 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

It is not built into the tenets of any Protestant church I know of, or any public school or summer camp or Boy Scout troop to keep accusations of sexual abuse quiet, away from police and even parents, and to simply “handle them in house.”

In fact, those organizations have regulations in place that demand that any suspicion or accusation of sexual assault on children be brought to police authorities.

Not Rome. Rome says to only tell someone in the RC hierarchy. In fact, Rome swears to secrecy ALL people involved, such that parents are restrained from going to the police under thread of excommunication.

Read the links in 27. Rome stands condemned by its own hand.


35 posted on 02/11/2011 9:26:15 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom

Thanks. We now see where Rome not only fails the child in the public arena, but also stands condemned by the word of God.


36 posted on 02/11/2011 9:27:56 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sarasmom
Like you just did.

What are you saying I did?

37 posted on 02/11/2011 9:30:44 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You know nothing of the particulars of this situation. The city of Philadelphia--you remember, those fine people who are attempting to evict the Boy Scouts from their headquarters for not allowing homosexual scout masters--have been after the Church for years, using these accusations as a hammer.

You'll note that these are still accusations, not convictions. Talk to me when the actually convict somebody.

That said, I am in favor of very harsh punishments for those convicted of sex abuse, be they Catholic priests or evangelical ministers.
38 posted on 02/11/2011 9:36:11 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You have been corrected in your deliberate misrepresentations many times. Crimen solliciationis only covers crimes committed during Confession. Thus it applies to only a handful of the cases. The oath of secrecy only applies to the internal church judicial process. Victims were always able to make a criminal report to the police. You have conveniently, and dishonestly, left out the next sentence from para. 13: "To none of these, however, is there subjection to a censure, unless by chance the person himself, for his accusation, his deposition or of his violation (Excussionis?) [or such] by act." Accusers and witnesses are expressly exempted from penalties for violating the oath. Thus your statement that “Rome has made it an excommunicable offense to go to anyone other than someone within the church hierarchy with accusations against a priest” is an outright lie.

The "prescription" is silence by all involved.

This falsehood I will chalk up to your ignorance of canon law and its technical terms. "Prescription" is the criminal action "prescribed" by law. The question of its time period is what in U.S. law is call the "statute of limitations".

It seems to escape your understanding that the whole purpose of Crimen sollicitationis and canon law is due process and punishment in internal criminal investigations which run parallel to the normal criminal investigations by the state.

39 posted on 02/11/2011 9:37:27 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When I was in high school, in the sixties, the Catholic priest at St. Phillips (Phila. suburbs) molested the acolyte class after getting them drunk on communion wine. I guess the boy who told me about it thought he would shock me. My father was the desk sergeant at the police station and the parents had made a deal with the church to not press charges and the church would put the priest in rehab somewhere out west.

Years later, I confirmed the incident with my mother. It happened.


40 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:30 PM PST by Eva
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Not Rome. Rome says to only tell someone in the RC hierarchy. In fact, Rome swears to secrecy ALL people involved, such that parents are restrained from going to the police under thread of excommunication.

Right, right, right...........and that applies to every possible instance of sex abuse, in every possible situation in every part of the world.

Right?

Secrecy always. Anyone who goes to the authorities is excommunicated every time, correct? The Pope said that, didn't he? "I'm going to excommunicate anybody who talks to the cops", right??

Wow, thanks Doc. That's amazing!

We sure are lucky to have you to enlighten us on these matters.

41 posted on 02/11/2011 9:46:00 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Petrosius; Antoninus
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

42 posted on 02/11/2011 9:54:04 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Being childless vs. having a family is a factor in attitudes towards protecting children.


43 posted on 02/11/2011 9:56:24 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: Antoninus

Or boy scout leaders, or school bus drivers or teachers....
the whole point being that these are exactly the places pedophiles choose to infiltrate.


44 posted on 02/11/2011 9:57:59 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The denials are almost as reprehensible as the acts themselves.

Think about this. We Catholics have been under attack for the scandalous behavior of some of our priests. To our dismay, the purveyors of this information are propaganda rag instruments of Satan like the NY Times and the Boston Globe. Nonetheless, we have made use of this information and are endeavoring to rid the priesthood of these offenders. When you look at the sharp decline in the number of abuse accusations after 2000, it is clear that we are making a lot of progress.

You, on the other hand, instead of giving Catholics credit for the work we are doing to get rid of the homosexual molesters among our priests, continue to vilify us for the actions of these perverse individuals. Worse, you side with the hypocritical instruments of Satan to attack and slander us. Seriously--do you think the NY Times gives a fig about homosexual molestation? I'll bet if you took a candid poll, you would find that 100% of the NY Times staff thinks homosexuality is fine, and a majority favors lowering the age of consent.

This is all about attacking the greater Catholic Church and trying to tar us all with the horrendous sins of some truly pathetic priests. It's sad that some Protestants have taken the position of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and are willing to attack Catholics in tandem with the homosexual media complex. Just remember--your allies in the media have no love for you, either. It's only a matter of time before you are in their crosshairs.

But don't fret over much. No matter how many times you sucker-punch us, we'll still come to your aid when the devil has a choke hold on you. Why? Because despite your faults, we still love you.

Saint Paul, pray for those who hate the Catholic Church.
45 posted on 02/11/2011 10:04:13 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
37 priests is nothing.

pedophilia is rampant today and I am not sure why...

These priests are just a drop in the bucket of a much larger phenomona taking place all over the world.

46 posted on 02/11/2011 10:05:41 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
the whole point being that these are exactly the places pedophiles choose to infiltrate.

Precisely. Which is why the Church has a long history of making efforts to keep homosexuals out of the priesthood--in the East as well as the West.

Would that the enlightened American and European bishops of the last century had followed suit.
47 posted on 02/11/2011 10:07:02 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: Antoninus
You're easier to pick on than some of the other more powerful participants
48 posted on 02/11/2011 10:09:08 PM PST by MarMema
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Keeping vs breaking the teachings on sexuality in Scripture is a factor in attitudes towards protecting children.


49 posted on 02/11/2011 10:35:20 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance
And, as an Orthodox priest asked us after a sermon recently, who can follow all the commandments perfectly? (much less what Scripture teaches us)

No one. Not anyone on this thread at least.

50 posted on 02/11/2011 10:37:12 PM PST by MarMema
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