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Ted Haggard's new video: Martha Stewart & Michael Vick got restored -- so why not me?
westword.com ^ | Wed., Feb. 16 2011 | Michael Roberts

Posted on 02/16/2011 3:37:03 PM PST by Gamecock

Ted Haggard's recent profile in GQ magazine finds him seeking attention by getting graphic about his encounters with male escort Mike Jones -- hence his claim that masturbation isn't "sex sex" and speculation that a younger Ted might see himself as bisexual. But some of the comments he shares about restoration and celebrity in a video for Lifetree Cafe are at least as interesting as another trip around the massage table. See the clip below.

In the interview, Haggard talks about other famous folks who've had their reputation rehabilitated in recent years by institutions such as TV networks and pro-sports leagues, including Martha Stewart, Michael Vick and David Letterman. However, he suggests that religious organizations are far less receptive to this phenomenon despite teaching about forgiveness, redemption and judging not lest ye be judged. "The church does not believe in the Bible," he announces at one point. "We market the Bible."

Haggard's video is keyed to a "temptation" theme that will be the focus of conversations at Lifetree Cafe locations such as Concordia Lutheran Church, 13371 W. Alameda Parkway in Lakewood, during the week of February 20. Look below to see the clip and get more information from a press release from Lifetree, which is based in Loveland.


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1 posted on 02/16/2011 3:37:07 PM PST by Gamecock
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2 posted on 02/16/2011 3:40:16 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock
Ted Haggard

Who?

3 posted on 02/16/2011 3:41:42 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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**judging not lest ye be judged**

Classic liberal misuse of that passage.


4 posted on 02/16/2011 3:42:05 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Former president of the National Association of Evangelicals and megachurch pastor.

Just before he got caught with a gay prostitute I heard him say he didn’t sin.


5 posted on 02/16/2011 3:44:49 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock

“The church does not believe in the Bible,” he announces at one point. “We market the Bible.”

Just based on that quote he’s not someone I would want as a pastor even if he didn’t have the rest of the baggage he carries.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 3:46:40 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Gamecock
Classic liberal misuse of that passage.

Yes. Parse the Bible and make it mean anything you want to.

Judgement is central to the Bible. So is true repentance.

**judging not lest ye be judged**

Whittle this statement down to its basest meaning to liberals and others.

What they want is lawlessness, as well as the ability to live morally bankrupt.

Has this man never heard of the "Ten Commandments?".

7 posted on 02/16/2011 3:55:06 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Ted Haggard

Who?

If only.

8 posted on 02/16/2011 4:00:27 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: kalee
“The church does not believe in the Bible,” he announces at one point. “We market the Bible.”

By that quote, he confesses to being a con-man, hypocrite, and narcissistic sociopath. His own mouth condemns him.

9 posted on 02/16/2011 4:04:28 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Gamecock

Holy Writ says, TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED. If he wanted to be PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS, he probably should have avoided his trysts with the guys. THAT is why HE isn’t restored. Another 40 years...in the desert. And then he can come out and CRY.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 4:19:29 PM PST by rovenstinez (.)
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To: Gamecock

Ted Haggard’s new video: Martha Stewart & Michael Vick got restored — so why not me?

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Cause you’re white. Cause you’re Christian.

I can think of other reasons - but this will do for a start.


11 posted on 02/16/2011 4:21:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Gamecock

Oh look! Another holy roller, not quite so holy. Color me shocked!


12 posted on 02/16/2011 4:37:07 PM PST by wyowolf
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To: Responsibility2nd
Well, Vick hasn't been restored in my mind.



Jesus might forgive him, but I never will.
13 posted on 02/16/2011 4:39:32 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: Gamecock

Ted Haggard & I live in the same city and I know many members of his former church.

I’ve been appalled at the way some of these people have turned their backs on him and his family.

It seems to me that a lot of people turned their backs because Haggard was no longer famous or because associating with him would be embarrassing. To turn away from someone who is lost and clearly in need just seems wrong to me. He obviously has serious, hard-to-solve problems and I’m not sure that even he knows what they are or how to solve them.

That doesn’t give us permission to walk away from someone who needs for and is asking for help, though. The day before his scandal unfolded, he was loved and supported. The day after, most of the people who had supported him turned their backs on him. He didn’t “go bad” in just two days; he simply became a liability to know.

When he says that Martha Stewart & Michael Vick were “restored”, I think he means that they were accepted back into society whereas he has not been.

Christians really shouldn’t treat each other that way.


14 posted on 02/16/2011 4:44:54 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Jesus THE NFL might forgive him, but I never will.
 
(Fixed it.)


15 posted on 02/16/2011 4:53:30 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"...Cause you’re Christian.
I can think of other reasons - but this will do for a start."

Got any evidence to support that statement?

16 posted on 02/16/2011 4:53:56 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Gamecock

Because (A) he’s not pro-abortion and (B) he doesn’t throw touchdown passes.


17 posted on 02/16/2011 4:57:57 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: PAR35

Well, he MUST be a Christian. If we apply liberal doses of leftist logic, we see a low down hypocrite caught in a same sex relationship.

Now if he was a democrat.... He would have been re-elected to Congress.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 5:00:10 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, Ministers of God’s Word are supposed to be held to a higher standard than NFL players, TV hostesses and politicians.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 5:05:32 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: mountainbunny

Well, we are supposed to love one another and nurture and help restore each other. Haggard, however, surely recognizes that he will not be in line to preach, teach, handle large sums of money and other responsibilites that he once did. Some people are respectersof persons, and once a person louses up and are no longer in the “who’s who and what’s what and who’s got what”, they just don’t socialize any more with those who can no longer propel them on their quest to social climb. Maybe Haggard needs to redefine his definition of friends and be a friend to those who are poor and unloved himself and quit contemplating his own bellybutton, if that’s indeed what he’s doing.


20 posted on 02/16/2011 5:20:40 PM PST by Twinkie (Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: mountainbunny
Haggard didn't cheat on an investment or abuse a dog. He betrayed a huge congregation and, by extension, as head of the NAE, he betrayed millions of believers who placed their trust in him. He didn't just break a rule. He was exposed as being the exact opposite of the Christian paragon he claimed to be.

When exposed, he lied and lied and lied until the proof came out. Then, he tried to act the victim.

He secretly did any dishonest, disgusting and vile thing he felt like and wanted to still keep his cushy, high profile position.

He's lucky that he wasn't demolished by fire and brimstone from Heaven. I don't blame those who were truly injured by this unrepentant, lying charlatan and have a hard time forgiving.

As a Christian, why don't you extend the forgiveness to them that you claim they are denying to Haggard? If he hasn't been "restored" perhaps it's because the Almighty knows something that we don't.

21 posted on 02/16/2011 6:09:44 PM PST by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: Gamecock

The simple truth is he cannot play quarterback as well as Vick, and he cannot get viewers/readers like Martha. Life is like the La Cosa Nostra. If you earn you stay around, if not you get wacked.


22 posted on 02/16/2011 6:56:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: Gamecock

Well, for one thing Martha Stewart was railroaded and the victim of horrible legal advice. She just stumbled into a very unfortunate situation that spun out of control. Nobody thought for a moment that she was a pervert with a disgusting secret life.


23 posted on 02/16/2011 8:14:27 PM PST by Minn
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To: mountainbunny
When he says that Martha Stewart & Michael Vick were “restored”, I think he means that they were accepted back into society whereas he has not been.

When evangelical Christians speak of being "restored," often what they mean is being put back in the position of authority they held, e.g. prior to disgracing oneself by an act of sin that became public.

When Paul speaks of restoring someone (e.g. in Galatians ch. 6), he means that the breach in fellowship that has been caused by sin is repaired by public repentance and forgiveness, and that person is accepted back into the church. It does not mean that you are entitled to your old job, if you held a church office previously. One of the qualifications for church leaders is marital fidelity. Obviously, getting caught with a gay prostitute isn't that.

My understanding is that Haggard refused the disciplinary procedures that his old church initiated. If that is accurate, then his "treatment" at the hands of other Christians is a situation of his own making. I find it hard to be sympathetic.

24 posted on 02/16/2011 10:44:59 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Gamecock
Well, Ministers of God’s Word are supposed to be held to a higher standard than NFL players, TV hostesses and politicians.

Sorry Colonel, i have a bit of difficulty with the last one. We have the national difficulties that we have because we selected political leaders who we normally wouldn't trust to babysit our children.

25 posted on 02/17/2011 1:30:45 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: mountainbunny

I watched the video. I did NOT see a man with Godly repentance for what he had done. By his words and body language I saw an man embittered that he was caught and lost his standing among men. His words and attitude on the video show his repulsion, not at his sin, but at the body of Christ. He is lashing out at the church. If he were right with God, he would be at peace with things, no matter if everyone turned their back on him.

Christ did no wrong and yet His people did much worse to Him than they did to Ted. Jesus didn’t go around calling His disciples names with a bitter attitude.

Before Ted can be “restored” to the church, he must first be restored to God. I do not know his heart, none of us does, but what comes from his lips shows that he is in dire need of God’s true peace and contentment.

Forgiveness only comes after true repentance and confession.


26 posted on 02/17/2011 3:57:06 AM PST by lupie
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To: Gamecock

Don’t cha just feel Ted’s humility and repentence oozing through.


27 posted on 02/17/2011 4:01:46 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Responsibility2nd

Cause you’re white. Cause you’re Christian.

I can think of other reasons - but this will do for a start.

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Um. Doesn’t Martha Stewart fit both of those categories?

I think the bar for redemption might be set a little higher in the public’s eye for the head of an evangelical organization, who rails against homosexuality, while lying about his involvement in meth fueled romps with a male prostitute. I know it is for me.


28 posted on 02/17/2011 8:32:14 AM PST by dmz
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I think we are talking apples and oranges.

Sure pols should be held to a high standard.

But Scripture teaches those in authouruty in the church are held to a high standard in God’s kingdom.

(BTW, missed seeing you around these parts!)


29 posted on 02/17/2011 11:34:17 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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