Posted on 02/17/2011 10:29:26 AM PST by Colofornian
PORTLAND — A Scouts leader in Portland subjected a boy to hundreds of instances of fondling, sodomy, oral sex and masturbation in the 1980s, even though Scout and Mormon Church leaders had been warned for years that the man was an abuser, a suit filed Tuesday alleges.
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The victim, Clark said, is a member of the armed forces, in his mid-30s who is “emotionally shut down” and trying to come to terms with the abuse, Clark said. He has a history of troubles with relationships and authorities, Clark said.
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Clark said church leaders who sponsored Scout troops were warned as early as 1967, in Redlands, Calif., when the perpetrator, identified in the suit as James Hogan, was reported by parents to have fondled their son and showered naked with Scouts.
The reports continued after Hogan moved to Portland that year, the suit said. In 1975, it said, Hogan told a bishop in the church “that he had pedophilic attractions which he could not control.”
“I can’t think of a case where there was so much notice of a man’s dangerousness,” Clark said at a news conference.
A man who answered the phone listed in public records as belonging to a James F. Hogan in Portland said he “might be” the man named in the lawsuit but had not seen the suit.
He said he is 73, suffers from memory deterioration and could not remember sexually abusing Scouts. He did recall, though, that “back in the ’80s and early ’90s I was court-mandated to take a ... court-approved therapy, and I successfully completed that, with probation and such.”
Clark said the Mormon church, which sponsored Scout groups, has settled on sealed terms. A Portland lawyer for the church, Steve English, confirmed there had been a settlement...
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Well if the parents knew and they didn’t go to the police, did they think it was because their church was going to fix it?
How long does it take to find the anti-Mormon screed of the day ?
Tell us, do you go around to all the RC priest abuse stories & accuse the poster of being "anti-Catholic"?
Or how about all the educator sex abuse stories...are those posters "anti-education?"
Or is it just Mormon perps that you wind up serving as their advocate?
Interesting that your shoot-the-messenger approach = that what you find negative in the world is bearers of bad news -- not the instigator-perps who committed the acts of abuse which were bound to find the light of day.
Your silence about these perps is quite telling re: your immoral character that you are more provoked by the news-bearers than by the sex abusers.
So this mormon priest rapist pervert was enabled by the mormon CEOs to sodomize young boys for years ???
And that was OK for some other mormons ???
I wonder how many mormons who give or gave this mormon homosexual a pass also gave money and support to Prop 8 ???
MORMON CRICKETS
“How long does it take to find the anti-Mormon screed of the day ?”
I think it would be fair to say that this is an anti-child abuse thread.
I am not a Roman Catholic or a Mormon. But I don’t interpret these stories as anti-Catholic or anti-Mormon, any more than I interpret stories about that weird preacher in what was it, Colorado, who messed around with meth and gigolos to be anti-Baptist.
No sincere Roman Catholic, or Mormon, or Baptist, approves of this behavior. We all know that. It is well that it is exposed. That way you can fix it.
Exactly.
Lds poster Restornu took the time to post a very, very long post of sexual abusers and adulterers tied to Christian and other sects' churches, etc. I was thankful for that post -- and expressed thanks -- that it was posted.
What's 100% ironic is that we are quick to see comments on some of these sex abuse threads like that in effect says "one individual does not a religion make." (And, yes, that's true)
But then either that same poster -- or another ally of theirs -- is quick to accuse the poster being "anti-Mormon" (as in "anti-Mormon" the group).
The irony is that here these posters rush in to separate the individual from the group -- as if they were not part of the larger ID group -- but then they turn around and lambast the poster for supposedly targeting the larger group. But wait a minute. I thought we were dealing with an individual -- and not the group?
Which is it, defenders?
Are you rushing in to defend the individual-perps -- or the group that individual is a part of? And if it's the group, then may I suggest that your points about this just being some fringe individual behavior becomes lost on the rest of us?
Be consistent. If you're going to defend the group ID, then that tells me you see the perp as more a group member ID than an individual ID.
Don't try to argue both ways.
(And usually those who defend the group ID are quite cavalier about it -- they rarely, if ever, mention the victims involved -- often Mormon themselves -- and act as if they are PR directors...as if image was more relevant to the situation than exposing abuse and protecting future victims or victims from being repeatedly abused).
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.
They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.
They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.
Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.
You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.
Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.
Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.
The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.
Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.
Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.
Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.
I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
Paragon Defender,
You tell people to “read both sides”, but I noticed you only posted links to mormon sites. You tell them to “do your homework” and “make up your own mind”.
Great advice.
Here are some objective links to the other side. Many mormons who are leaving the church have found great insight and been exposed to things the official links don’t cover.
http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php
Where is your condemnation of this pervert? Rather than attack the poster, attack the pervert.
Where is your condemnation of this pervert?
Where is the condemnation PD? Is there any?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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