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Teen Male Refuses to Wrestle Girl Due to Faith
The Christian Post ^ | Feb. 18, 2011 | Josephine Vivaldo

Posted on 02/18/2011 2:36:18 PM PST by wmfights

A high school wrestler in Iowa refused to compete against a female opponent due to his Christian beliefs. Upon hearing that the match would be with a girl in the state tournament, Joel Northrup decided to lose by default rather than compete against Cassy Herkelman.

The 112-pound wrestler explained, "I have a tremendous amount of respect for Cassy and Megan and their accomplishments. However, wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times."

He continued, "As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."

According to The Associated Press, the boy’s father is a minister at Believers in Grace Fellowship, an independent Pentecostal church in Marion. The church believes that young teens of opposite sex should not come in physical contact with each other in a “familiar way,” according to the church’s pastor.

Northrup’s pastor stated, "We believe in the elevation and respect of woman and we don't think that wrestling a woman is the right thing to do. Body slamming and takedowns, that full contact sport is not how to do that."

The girl’s father, Bill Herkelman, told The Associated press, "It's nice to get the first win and have her be on the way to the medal round.

"I sincerely respect the decision of the Northrup family especially since it was made on the biggest stage in wrestling. I have heard nothing but good things about the Northrup family and hope Joel does very well the remainder of the tourney."

Although the home-schooled sophomore was allowed to compete in the consolations round, due to default and not forfeit, it is possible for him and Herkelman to be matched up again if they both make it to the finals.


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"As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."
1 posted on 02/18/2011 2:36:21 PM PST by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Amen.


2 posted on 02/18/2011 2:39:09 PM PST by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: wmfights

I’m not so sure about this. It’s not like they wrestle naked or anything. I wrestled in HS and never grabbed anyone’s crotch or anythig like that. I would have just wrestled her... pin her promptly and call it a day.


3 posted on 02/18/2011 2:40:53 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

I only did a bit of wrestling in HS, in PE class.

It seems to me you’re right.


4 posted on 02/18/2011 2:43:44 PM PST by samtheman
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To: wmfights
This girl's record is 20-13 in Iowa, which is one of the nation's strongest wrestling regions.

Like I said on another thread, she deserves the respect of an athlete and earned her way there pinning and beating the best on a level playing field.

Too bad the young man couldn't get past whatever issues he had and face her as an athlete.

5 posted on 02/18/2011 2:43:58 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: wmfights

This also has been posted 6 or 7 times already.


6 posted on 02/18/2011 2:45:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GunRunner

When did wrestling go co-ed? I think I missed something somewhere.

Don’t girls always have their own sports teams?

Is this an Iowa thing? Or maybe I just missed changes in the past few years.


7 posted on 02/18/2011 2:46:27 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: GunRunner
Too bad the young man couldn't get past whatever issues he had and face her as an athlete.

His main issue is that he is a gentleman observing the rules of chivalry.

8 posted on 02/18/2011 2:47:05 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776
“His main issue is that he is a gentleman observing the rules of chivalry.”

So you think he was trying to have sex with her?

“His main issue is that he is a gentleman.”

Suffice to conclude it there.

‘Chivalry’ was a set of rules whereby married men could have sex with other women by acting ‘chivalrous’ during the Victorian era.

This wrestler is a good dude, like you.

9 posted on 02/18/2011 2:52:37 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There aren't girls teams that I know of. It's like high school football; there's no technical rule that keeps them out, and very rarely you see girls that can grapple with the best of them.

In the lower weight classes, such as 125 lbs. and below, a talented girl grappler can overcome strength disadvantages with quickness and leverage.

One of the guys on my team in high school got pinned by a girl. During four years of high school wrestling I saw two girls compete the whole time. One was really good and made it to regionals and other got beaten every time.

10 posted on 02/18/2011 2:53:31 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: wmfights
Teen Male Refuses to Wrestle Girl Due to Faith

Not to mention, due to common decency.

11 posted on 02/18/2011 2:58:09 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: wmfights

>>>Believers in Grace Fellowship<<<

I believe the pastor of this church is a FReeper. I know his excellent Chritian articles are posted here regularly. I’ve been familiar with his writings for many years and his is very sound and courageous.

Apparently, his flock is learing well and following his example.


12 posted on 02/18/2011 3:01:04 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: GunRunner

Men have their proper role.

And women have their proper role.

The leftist have done their best to brainwash America into thinking otherwise.


13 posted on 02/18/2011 3:02:05 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

Imagine for a moment what’s really happening here. Where are all the girls playing HS football, basketball, soccer, etc. against boys?

Why aren’t all sports mixed sex?

Wrestling is targeted for the same reason the military academies, submarine service and combat are targeted.


14 posted on 02/18/2011 3:04:18 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GunRunner

In wrestling, its also sometimes outsmarting the opponent, not allowing the opponent to get leverage. Case in point in Olympic wrestling when Rulon Gardner won the gold medal. Gardner’s opponent (the Russian, forget his name) was a better wrestler, however Gardner kept throwing counter moves to prevent his opponent from getting the leverage needed to win. Thus a slow moving match. So its not always the strongest, or fastest opponent that wins.

Still, coed wrestling is a potential legal minefield.


15 posted on 02/18/2011 3:09:04 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: Cementjungle; samtheman

You’ve never heard of the high crotch?

Down position?


16 posted on 02/18/2011 3:11:04 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Where are all the girls playing HS football, basketball, soccer, etc. against boys?

Because women can't compete at the same level for those sports. That's why there's separate leagues. Even in golf there is a vast difference in ability.

With wrestling, and almost exclusively at the lower weight classes, you will sometimes (although very rarely) see girls who can make up for the strength difference with better technique.

These girls aren't asking for a leg up or a hand out; they have to compete on the exact same playing field at the exact same weight wearing the exact same uniform.

I think the girls should be commended; it's an unbelievable achievement made without the leftist staples of gender norming or affirmative action.

17 posted on 02/18/2011 3:11:48 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: Leo Farnsworth
So you think he was trying to have sex with her?

I doubt he'd find some sweaty huge masculine girl attractive.

It's more that he was standing on principle: that women should be feminine; and men, masculine.

And I applaud him for supporting the traditional difference between men and women.

Which difference I am sure is both physical, mental, and genetic--and not cultural--i.e, not a choice; a difference abandoned only from mental illness or genetic mutation.

18 posted on 02/18/2011 3:12:53 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: 1010RD

It seems the girl can hold her own as she has won many matches against the boys.

And now, Joel can add his name to the list of boy wresslers who lost to a girl.


19 posted on 02/18/2011 3:13:10 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: 1010RD

It seems the girl can hold her own as she has won many matches against the boys.

And now, Joel can add his name to the list of boy wresslers who lost to a girl.


20 posted on 02/18/2011 3:14:53 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: GunRunner

The girl may have won a few of these because her opponent wouldn’t use moves on her that he would on a man anatomy wise


21 posted on 02/18/2011 3:15:59 PM PST by clamper1797 (Pray for Obama ... Psalms 109:8)
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To: Age of Reason
Did you read my post?

Did you learn anything from it?

What kind of reply was that?

22 posted on 02/18/2011 3:17:13 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: 1010RD; Cementjungle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2vH8APzfmY


23 posted on 02/18/2011 3:18:39 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Age of Reason
I doubt he'd find some sweaty huge masculine girl attractive.

Yes, what a huge disgusting hulk of a girl.


24 posted on 02/18/2011 3:22:33 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: Cementjungle





25 posted on 02/18/2011 3:26:11 PM PST by bigjoesaddle (Why Me?.... Why Not Me?.... Me Why Not?... Not Why Me?...Me Not Why?......Me Drunk.)
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To: clamper1797
Yeah, and they got beat by a girl.

That's not really her problem.

Everyone in high school wrestling knows that there is a very, very small chance you will come across a female opponent if you're in the lighter weight classes. If you can't handle it then maybe you need another sport.

26 posted on 02/18/2011 3:27:13 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: bigjoesaddle

Just some pics of wrestling for some of you that don’t realize what wrestling is like.


27 posted on 02/18/2011 3:33:26 PM PST by bigjoesaddle ("Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged". - Reagan)
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To: stripes1776
>> Too bad the young man couldn't get past whatever issues he had and face her as an athlete. <<

>> His main issue is that he is a gentleman observing the rules of chivalry. <<

That may be so, but I see nothing in the bible that states "Thou shall not wrestle women". He might not want to wrestle her out of politeness, but saying he's unable to do so because of his religion is really stretching it.

28 posted on 02/18/2011 3:34:10 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: GunRunner

And if he had pinned her, she’d have whined and complained. You can’t win for losing.

They should be building up their own squad.


29 posted on 02/18/2011 3:40:10 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: wmfights

Why exactly is it a matter of faith?


30 posted on 02/18/2011 3:41:37 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: BillyBoy
That may be so, but I see nothing in the bible that states "Thou shall not wrestle women". He might not want to wrestle her out of politeness, but saying he's unable to do so because of his religion is really stretching it.

There is a very long history of Christian chivalry. This boy is following that long tradition.

31 posted on 02/18/2011 3:50:29 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: wmfights

Conscience, faith, whatever it’s an out.

What male teen wants to be faced with;
a) beats a girl
b) get beaten by a girl


32 posted on 02/18/2011 3:51:10 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Leo Farnsworth
'Chivalry’ was a set of rules whereby married men could have sex with other women by acting ‘chivalrous’ during the Victorian era.

Not even close.

This wrestler is a good dude, like you.

If that was an attempt at an ad hominen attack on me, you misfired.

33 posted on 02/18/2011 3:53:51 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: BenKenobi
She's a seasoned wrestler who has a 20-13 record. She knows what its like to lose.

She just got knocked out of the tournament today after losing her next two matches. The difference is, the guys who beat her will be going on to the semis while the guy who gave up because he didn't want to wrestle a girl gets to go home.

34 posted on 02/18/2011 3:55:30 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: Leo Farnsworth
‘Chivalry’ was a set of rules whereby married men could have sex with other women by acting ‘chivalrous’ during the Victorian era.

**********************************

In fact, your definition could not be more incorrect:

From Wikipedia:

Chivalry is a term related to the medieval (Middle Ages) institution of knighthood which has an aristocratic military origin of individual training and service to others. It is usually associated with ideals of knightly virtues, honor and courtly love: "the source of the chivalrous idea," remarked Johan Huizinga, who devoted several chapters of The Waning of the Middle Ages to chivalry and its effects on the medieval character, "is pride aspiring to beauty, and formalized pride gives rise to a conception of honour, which is the pole of noble life."[1]

35 posted on 02/18/2011 3:58:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

The word has the same root as “chevalier” which is French for a knight on horseback, more or less. It predates the Victorian era by a thousand years or so at least.


36 posted on 02/18/2011 3:58:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigjoesaddle

One of my friends in high school and college was a national champion. I not only attended many of his matches, but also his practices. Wrestling is not a sport that should ever allow males and females to compete together. This is just nuttiness.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 4:03:34 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wmfights
"It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."

But a situation he was aware could happen. Now that it has he's taken a principled stand and is standing by his beliefs. He is to be congratulated for that.

38 posted on 02/18/2011 4:03:34 PM PST by K-Stater
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To: GunRunner

Then she’s a rarity if she’s willing to take the hits.

Most don’t. She’d be better off competing against other girls.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 4:04:00 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: wmfights

Good for him!


40 posted on 02/18/2011 4:07:18 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: wmfights

Wow, there are some real MEN being brought up still. Bravo


41 posted on 02/18/2011 4:09:26 PM PST by Pilated
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To: GunRunner
the guy who gave up because he didn't want to wrestle a girl gets to go home.

Not so much:

Although the home-schooled sophomore was allowed to compete in the consolations round, due to default and not forfeit, it is possible for him and Herkelman to be matched up again if they both make it to the finals.

42 posted on 02/18/2011 4:13:52 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
This also has been posted 6 or 7 times already.

I was thinking maybe JimRob added a "Repost" button or something like that... On a thread you really like, click the "Repost" button a get a fresh new thread to start again. It would also help when a thread gets horribly hijacked...

43 posted on 02/18/2011 4:20:44 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I believe the pastor of this church is a FReeper.

If so his son is a great Christian role model in my book.

44 posted on 02/18/2011 4:20:53 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: 1010RD; Age of Reason
Wrestling is targeted for the same reason the military academies, submarine service and combat are targeted.

Great point!

45 posted on 02/18/2011 4:22:58 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: GunRunner; 1010RD
I think the girls should be commended; it's an unbelievable achievement made without the leftist staples of gender norming or affirmative action.

I disagree for a couple reasons. If a boy loses to a girl wrestling the boy faces all kinds of grief from his peers for the rest of his HS years. If a boy hurts a girl wrestling the boy faces all kinds of grief for "beating up a girl". Also, a precedent is set that can be used to carry over to other areas of life.

For example, women professional sports reporters now walk into locker rooms before all the men are dressed, since "we are all the same". I think this is offensive.

In my book the young man deserves the credit for recognizing that Boys and Girls are different and should not be doing certain things together.

46 posted on 02/18/2011 4:31:37 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: BenKenobi
And if he had pinned her, she’d have whined and complained.

I must have missed where she whined after her next match. Got a link?

47 posted on 02/18/2011 4:32:03 PM PST by xone
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To: Onelifetogive
Not so much:

He got beat in the consolations round and is going home. If he'd have wrestled her and won he'd still have a chance in the tournament.

48 posted on 02/18/2011 4:34:40 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: Onelifetogive
it is possible for him and Herkelman to be matched up again if they both make it to the finals.

That would be consolation finals, for third, and she is out of the tourney unless HS in Iowa go to 8th place.

49 posted on 02/18/2011 4:36:32 PM PST by xone
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To: wmfights

Oh - he’s “home schooled”; everyone knows how THEY are. /s

The relentless, overwhelming prejudice against normal is a bit much these days.


50 posted on 02/18/2011 5:15:58 PM PST by Freedom4US
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