Skip to comments."Robust" US Catholic Growth in 2008
Posted on 02/21/2011 10:52:36 AM PST by Titanites
The 2010 Yearbook from the National Council of Church USA is out and the news continues to be good for Catholics.
The Catholic Church, the nation's largest at more than 68 million members, reported a slight membership loss in 2009 (for the year 2007) but rebounded . . . with a robust growth of 1.49 percent in 2008.
Other groups that posted significant gains were the Mormon Church (Latter Day Saints) which grew 1.71 percent to 5,873,408 members and the Assemblies of God grew 1.27 percent to 2,863,265 members.
The big losers: mainline Protestants continue their slide
Presbyterian Church (USA), down 3.28 percent to 2,941,412; American Baptist Churches in the USA, down 2 percent to 1,358,351; and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, down 1.92 percent to 4,709,956 members.
The 10 largest churches were
1. The Catholic Church, 68,115,001 members, up 1.49 percent.
2. Southern Baptist Convention,16,228,438 members, down 0.24percent.
3. The United Methodist Church, 7,853,987 members, down 0.98 percent.
4. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 5,974,041 members, up 1.71 percent.
5. The Church of God in Christ, 5,499,875 members, no membership updates reported.
6. National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc, 5,000,000 members, no membership updates reported.
7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, 4,633,887 members, down1.62 percent.
8. National Baptist Convention of America, Inc., 3,500,000 members, no membership updates reported.
9. Assemblies of God (ranked 10 last year), 2,899,702 members, up 1.27 percent.
10. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 1(ranked 9 last year), 2,844,952 members, down 3.28 percent.
(Note that the LDS Church is #4 and growing.)
FYI: The Episcopalian Church is #15 and the Greek Orthodox Church is #17 with 1,500,000 members on the books (although I've been told by insiders that actual attendance at Divine Liturgy is a small fraction of the official number)
Not surprisingly, congregational giving was down:
"The financial reporting in the 2010 Yearbook is based on the financial income reports of the 64 churches reporting. The almost 45 million members of these churches contributed almost $36 billion, showing a decrease in the total income to the churches of $26 million."
This may be of interest.
No one will believe this unless you get a source other than a Catholic source.
While I would love to think this was due to evangelization or separated brethren coming to see the Truth of the Catholic faith, it is more likely due to illegal Mexican immigration.
Many (most?) of our bishops are far too milquetoast for any effective evangelization or any other task requiring real leadership.
The source is from the NCC (National Council of Churches). From its website (http://www.ncccusa.org/about/about_ncc.html)
“the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA has been the leading force for ecumenical cooperation among Christians in the United States. The NCC’s member faith groups from a wide spectrum of Protestant, Anglican, Orthodox, Evangelical, historic African American and Living Peace churches include 45 million persons in more than 100,000 local congregations in communities across the nation.”
Numbers ebb and flow.......people come and go.........the Church remains always the same.
This compares apples and oranges..
Catholics consider a baptized infant a a member .
Protestants churches do not offer membership to minors. There are membership requirements and a covenant between the church and member.
As you find with Catholics, membership and attendance are 2 different things ... Only about 20% of Catholics are actually attending or active in their church ..
Whereas in most Protestant churches less than 1/2 of those attending are members..
That is a huge difference in the way the statistics have to be looked at.. Our church has about 150 members but around 300 attending on a Sunday .
So a more accurate picture is attendance as opposed to membership
>>The source is from the NCC (National Council of Churches). From its website (http://www.ncccusa.org/about/about_ncc.html)<<
Facts are facts. But I’ve argued here too long and know that facts from certain places are easily ignored.
The Catholic faith is the only true faith. However, it is rare today to find a real Catholic who knows the faith and even rarer, that LIVES the faith. Numbers are meaningless, it will not convert anyone. Catholics really knowing the Faith and LIVING it will convert those of good will.
>>As you find with Catholics, membership and attendance are 2 different things ... Only about 20% of Catholics are actually attending or active in their church ..<<
The number of Catholics who are active members of a parish are counted by the envelopes returned.
If one donates, one is counted as an active member. We don’t even have children’s envelopes.
It was the same way when I was attending a Presbyterian Church. If I didn’t return an envelope, even if it was empty, I was not counted as an active member. However, if I did turn in that envelope, my husband and children were counted as active members.
Each diocese have a “Bishop’s fund” where the parish is taxed per number of members they have. Less members, less money they pay. It goes without saying that the parish would eliminate inactive members from their books so as not to pay the larger amount.
More people are becoming Catholics and Mormons.
Less people are becoming Protestants.
Perhaps your infant theory has some merit. Protestants are aborting themselves out of existence.
>>However, it is rare today to find a real Catholic who knows the faith and even rarer, that LIVES the faith.<<
Um, you need to get out more.
Come on over to my parish. Four is an average number of children. We have more “Family buses” than you can count.
And then there are women like me who had the ole uterus lopped out after two. When you judge me as “not living the faith”, I say to you, “Judge not lest thou be judged.”
On this we agree..
What conceit! You are an embarrassment.
LOL ..I am sorry but I do not believe you are correct ...I still get stuff from my old Parish ,, I am still on their membership rolls ..I have not been a Catholic in 30 years,
I never used an envelope when I went to the Catholic church. Are you trying to tell me in the 3rd world membership is by donation or envelope only?? LOL
The envelope scam is one used by people that do not go to church but want to get married or baptize a baby to prove attendance which is required for the sacraments
Church membership is counted by baptisms in the case of infants and confirmation for adult converts
You must have gone to the PCUSA ... LOL ....
.Most protestant pastors know their members and attenders apart and know who is there, and who is not.. .. I never use an envelope but I am on the membership rolls and have a members voting rights.
The only thing the envelopes are used for in my church is to give the folks their tax numbers ...the pastor NEVER SEES them, neither do the elders.. the money is counted and banked by one person ..and the tax records kept..
I will let that stand without giving a comment :)
I will let that stand without giving a comment :)
>>LOL ..I am sorry but I do not believe you are correct ...I still get stuff from my old Parish ,, I am still on their membership rolls ..I have not been a Catholic in 30 years<<
You’re confusing a mailing list with membership rolls.
>>Church membership is counted by baptisms in the case of infants and confirmation for adult converts<<
>>What conceit! You are an embarrassment.<<
Sorry but when someone judges a person’s faith on the number of children they have, I have a problem with that. Some of us are blessed with many, some with few. I wish I could be tax-chick, but my womb had other ideas.
Ya want to call it conceit? Be my guest.
Yea they keep 2 separate lists.
I have been told here on FR ONCE A CATHOLIC ALWAYS A CATHOLIC ,that BAPTISM but an indelible mark on my soul ...LOL
Is it your belief that baptized infants are not counted as members BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PUT AN ENVELOPE IN ??? LOL
Baptism happens not only to the individual, but also to Christ's body, the Church. That's why the rite insists that we celebrate Baptism in the Christian assembly, with the community present and actively participating. It is the community, after all, who is welcoming the new members, journeying with them, providing models for them, supporting and nourishing them. Baptism begins with God's love and care revealed to us through Christ. It continues with us, the Church, living and enacting God's love and care through Christ to the world. That's a serious commitment.
When my youngest child was baptized the pastor suggested when he asked "what do you desire for this child" I should answer "membership in the church" ...
You were wrong about envelope counting in protestant church too
There IS a difference b/t being an official member of the church (with your name in the church’s computer database), and being an official member who is also a regular, pledging attendee. The problem is that many of these churches rarely purge those rolls, so oftentimes the numbers are in fact wildly inaccurate. This is true not only in Catholicism, but in several of the Protestant denoms as well.
Your expected response is a reason for me posting the article. Anti-catholics are quick to endorse any article indicating a decline in Catholicism but are equally quick to negatively spin any article indicating a growth in Catholicism. Dont look now but your agenda is showing.
On that thought, and with equal relevance, more people are becoming conservatives too :) :o :) :o
I’m sorry that you have no clue how a parish works and assume that you are still a member of your ex-parish. Maybe God is working through them to bring you home. Miracles happen every day!
>>You were wrong about envelope counting in protestant church too<<
So you say, so you do not prove.
Hey, all I said was, “Unnngh!”
>>The problem is that many of these churches rarely purge those rolls<<
Catholic churches have a great incentive to do this.
The Bishop of a diocese takes a tax for his pet projects. The parishes pay an amount equal to an amount per parishioner.
We just had a purge. We have a mailing list for “all” people. If we have an address on you, you’re on the mailing list. However, the number of parishioners registered with the Diocese is ONLY those who are active members. That way we are only taxed on active parishioners.
Oh, and I got mailings from the Presbyterian church that I attended for years, eventhough I personally spoke with the Pastor and told him why I left.
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Our report wasn’t so rosy. I don’t have it here, but as I remember:
Parish about 2500 families — up
Upwardly mobile parish
About 800 are “elderly”
Only 11 marriages last year (very poor showing and bodes ill for the future)
Can’t remember all the other stats, but the dearth of marriages is of great concern. That means that young people are not bothering to get married, or that they are marrying outside the church.
You’ll have to handle the gripy people today - we have colds. Help yourself to a Guinness to keep your strength up!
When my mother was sixteen, she had to have one of her ovaries removed. The doctor told her that she would have difficulty conceiving and would probably only have one or two children.
She was pregnant 9 times and has 7 children.
We always laughed when thinking what could have happened had she had both ovaries.
As for me, I was not a practicing Catholic and had a tubal after the birth of my second. I had my boy and my girl and I was done.
I returned to the Church after child bearing age, but I have since wished that I had more than just the two, though they are the lights of my life.
Please enlighten me as to the conceit shown. What was addressed is a serious challenge to devout Catholics, rash judgment to those who do not have as many children as others think they should. None of us are party to the crosses and medical challenges of our fellow pew members.
I have learned much from netmilsmom, she is an embarassment of riches, that's for sure.
>>I have learned much from netmilsmom, she is an embarassment of riches, that’s for sure<<
Thank you so much!
>>She was pregnant 9 times and has 7 children.<<
She is in heaven for sure!
My grandmother had 12 children.
My mom had eight pregnancies and 3 children.
I got only two pregnancies. I am blessed to have two live children.
I’m hoping to get at least one nun!
2. Rate of mass attendance please.
Yea she sure is with 17 grandchildren and 14 great grandchildren and more on the way!
Well, I pray that your daughter becomes a nun if that is truly her calling. What a blessing!
I’m not sure where you got the impression that I work for you.
>>Yea she sure is with 17 grandchildren and 14 great grandchildren and more on the way!<<
I truly feel that the sign of a loving family is having a ton of grandchildren who have a ton of great-grandchildren!
Didn’t you read the quote? Do I have to explain the vulgar petulance of one who quotes “judge not...” on their own behalf?
Good point — time for the laity to force orthodoxy on them. The Pope is slowly weeding out lax bishops, but it will take time for top-down, unless we also have a bottom-up approach at the same time.
yes, in 30 years and completely out of touch with the Church today.
>>Didnt you read the quote? Do I have to explain the vulgar petulance of one who quotes judge not... on their own behalf?<<
For Heaven’s Sake, the original poster said this...
>>If Catholics LIVED the faith, you would see parents married for life with large families. Divorce and avoiding having children are signs of hypocrisy in one who calls themselves a Catholic.<<
..to one of the known Anti-Catholics on FR.
That poster was judging ALL CATHOLIC families who do not live up to his/her expectations on what a good Catholic is. Not me exclusively, everyone. I used myself as an example for the debate, to give credence to the fact that some Catholics live the faith but have other circumstances that make her LOOK otherwise to the judgmental poster.
If you still feel that the statement has a tone of “vulgar petulance”, yes, please explain it.
Thank you dear netmilsmom for that information — this shows how incorrect are those who claim that we count even those who have left just to inflate statistics.
I’ll chip in with mockingbyrd. I have a lot of respect for netmilsmom. She goes out of her way not to hurt other folks, even when they attack her. Papertyger — you have miscontrued her remarks.