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The Strategic Plan (Protestant Caucus)
The White House Inn ^ | February 20, 2011

Posted on 02/21/2011 3:04:22 PM PST by Gamecock

Hello and welcome to another edition of the White Horse Inn. Every mission statement needs a good strategic plan. If your mission is to make cars, then you need to figure out how you are going to design, assemble, distribute, and sell them. The one to who was given all authority in heaven and on earth entrusted his apostles with the message and the mission. He gave us the method to go along with the Gospel.

There are a lot of details given to us in the New Testament concerning the proper organization and execution of the church's ministry. However, all Christians have held that the Great Commission is marvelously simple and unambiguously clear: The means of fulfilling it are preaching, baptizing, and teaching-that's what the Great Commission actually says. Throughout the Book of Acts, the growth of the church is indicated by the phrase, "and the word of God spread," together with the report of baptisms and adult converts together with their households being baptized. They gathered regularly for the public ministry of preaching, teaching, fellowship, the Supper, and the prayers. The Lord added daily those who were being saved to the church (Acts 2:47). "So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily" (Acts 16:5). There is no distinction in the New Testament between being a disciple and belonging to the church-not just to the invisible church (i.e., of regenerate believers), but to the visible church. Membership in this visible body of Christ is identified by public profession of faith and baptism (in the case of adult converts, reversed in the case of covenant children).

On the basis of the Great Commission-and the many passages that unpack it-the churches of the Reformation affirm that the true church is visible "wherever the Word is rightly preached and the sacraments are rightly administered."

Today this consensus is no longer obvious. Many of us were raised with evangelistic invitations that distinguished sharply between what happens inside us and what happens outside us, between "getting saved" and "joining a church"; a "personal relationship with Jesus" versus "church membership." And all of this goes back still further, to pietism and revivalism and before that to radical Anabaptist movements and still further back to monastic spirituality. The idea is that real disciples are "made" not in the theater of ordinary Word-and-sacrament ministry and the care of elders and deacons, but in the parachurch enclaves for super-spiritual saints.

We've talked before on this program about the "message creep" in the church today. The gospel has become a cliché for all sorts of things: many of them good, but not the gospel. Left to ourselves, the emphasis will always shift back from the Triune God and his saving work in Christ to us and our experience, piety, and activity. The same thing happens with the Great Commission. "Message creep" leads to "mission creep."

One of those places where mission creep often begins is at the level of strategies. Christ not only gave us a mission statement: "Go therefore into all the world and make disciples." He also gave us a strategic plan when he added, "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you." You see, salvation comes down from God to us, not from us to God. Therefore, the methods he has instituted are designed to deliver his gifts. We've turned God's gospel delivery system into another series of methods for our self-improvement and world-transformation. How do you make disciples of all nations? Jesus says it plainly, "Preach the gospel, baptize, and teach." But we know better. Or do we? That's the question for this discussion at the White Horse Inn.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: greatcommission
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1 posted on 02/21/2011 3:04:25 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: All; Quix; blue-duncan; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; TSgt

ALL,

While there are a couple of points that we will disagree on, I’d like to keep focused on the bigger picture painted in this article!

Have we, as the church universal, lost our way by not focusing on the full content of the great commission?

Are we really making disciples?

Matthew 28:
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”


2 posted on 02/21/2011 3:08:57 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Religion Moderator

There is a long history of having threads labeled as Protestant Caucus.

We Proddys disagree on some things, but what binds us is essential belief Sola Fide and Sola Christus.


5 posted on 02/21/2011 3:41:48 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Natural Law; Judith Anne; Gamecock
I don't understand quite what the problem is. If you don't see Catholic Caucus on the thread, then you know it's not Catholic. Why do you care, really, which non-Catholic faith is being represented? It's not like you stumble into the thread without realizing you're in the wrong place. Would you rather the threads be labeled Non-Catholic Caucus? Or would you rather just post on the threads that you already know aren't going to reflect your beliefs? I'm certain that cannot be what you want, as that would be considered by many to be provocative and certainly anti-beautitude in nature. After all, is it not peace you pursue in your daily walk through the Religion Forum here?
6 posted on 02/21/2011 4:05:26 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Gamecock

INDEED.

Of course, such wailing has little to nothing to do with proper caucus boundaries and operation.

Thankfully, God knows the hearts involved.


10 posted on 02/21/2011 4:17:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I do wonder, exactly, whit it is about the word CAUCUS that is not understood.

Hoss


11 posted on 02/21/2011 4:24:01 PM PST by HossB86
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To: vladimir998

Don’t you freely invite the Orthodox to post on your Catholic Caucus Threads?


12 posted on 02/21/2011 4:24:28 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: HossB86

whit=what


13 posted on 02/21/2011 4:24:47 PM PST by HossB86
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To: Gamecock

I propose a popery-free caucus. Then Christendom can be united.

And think of all the bad calories we’d avoid.


17 posted on 02/21/2011 4:30:56 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Gamecock; All; Quix; blue-duncan; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; TSgt
Thank you for the ping, I'm assuming it's okay for me to join the discussion.

While there are a couple of points that we will disagree on, I’d like to keep focused on the bigger picture painted in this article!

Without getting into the Baptism debate, I think one issue we don't look at is the early Christian church was united by a common faith. No one dominant church had emerged.

Today this consensus is no longer obvious. Many of us were raised with evangelistic invitations that distinguished sharply between what happens inside us and what happens outside us, between "getting saved" and "joining a church";

Today to much emphasis on which church you are in and how it is different from others has led to the growth of Non-Denoms. The critical factor from my perspective is do you believe The Gospel, do you believe in the Trinitarian understanding of God. If you hold these as firm beliefs we can argue all day, but we are still Brothers and when someone asks we should be ready to preach The Gospel.

22 posted on 02/21/2011 4:44:45 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

***The Gospel, do you believe in the Trinitarian understanding of God. If you hold these as firm beliefs we can argue all day, but we are still Brothers and when someone asks we should be ready to preach The Gospel.***

AMEN!


23 posted on 02/21/2011 4:48:43 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock
On the basis of the Great Commission-and the many passages that unpack it-the churches of the Reformation affirm that the true church is visible "wherever the Word is rightly preached and the sacraments are rightly administered."

Amen to that

24 posted on 02/21/2011 4:50:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law

Oneness Pentecostals are not Protestants and would not be included in a protestant cacus because they are not Christians..anymore that the Mormons or JWs are ..you folks just like to lump non Catholics together .


25 posted on 02/21/2011 4:53:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator

People were trying to have a thread without the usual animosity, and the thread is labeled “caucus”. why are some posters allowed to interrupt? We dont go to Catholic threads and act like this.


26 posted on 02/21/2011 4:54:30 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: HossB86; Quix; Gamecock; Religion Moderator
I do wonder, exactly, what it is about the word CAUCUS that is not understood.

If I may offer my personal opinion. We have had many of these very same posters that are complaining - who object to a universal Protestant Caucus - try to force everyone to identify their denomination. They have also been told many times to stop with the badgering. Yet many continually ask and ask again. I think they want to force revelation of denomination by objecting to a "Protestant Caucus" and breaking it down into individual categories because they seem to be of the opinion that the imaginary 30K denominations could not possibly have any unity at all. I believe they want to try the "divide and conquer" tactic. What they do not realize is that most Protestants - especially on this forum - are in unity over the central tenets of Christian faith and it is upon these beliefs that we can come together without acrimony and discuss various issues. The whole idea is to avoid conflict and that is what a "caucus" designation is supposed to guarantee.

It is humorous that an "Anti-Catholic" caucus was acceptable but not a "Protestant" one. Some have an overload of persecution phobias.

27 posted on 02/21/2011 4:57:06 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: wmfights

INDEED.


28 posted on 02/21/2011 5:00:49 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Gamecock; RnMomof7
It's this lack of understanding what truly unites us that is the start of the "mission creep". The first step to "reboot" is to make sure everyone understands what The Gospel is. Any difference and we know who is with us and who needs to be taught what preach The Gospel means before they are considered one of us.

I think it is as simple as saying "Christ crucified". If someone doesn't understand, or mocks the Christian who says this we know. If a church does not believe this is sufficient (adding to The Gospel) we know they are not with us.

29 posted on 02/21/2011 5:01:37 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: RnMomof7

My Oneness missionary uncle and wife would take great issue with that.


30 posted on 02/21/2011 5:01:59 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Tough they have a different god ...


31 posted on 02/21/2011 5:03:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Actually . . . I’m not so convinced of that.

I think they play word games with the Trinity.

Yet, they somehow still know Jesus, Father and Spirit.

I think their word dance is absurd.

But they are quite authentic in knowing the same Jesus I know. They trust Him and Him alone for their Salvation.


33 posted on 02/21/2011 5:07:41 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Bingo!


34 posted on 02/21/2011 5:08:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: boatbums
It is humorous that an "Anti-Catholic" caucus was acceptable but not a "Protestant" one. Some have an overload of persecution phobias.

And, THAT is the oddest part of it all. If the caucus designation can't be used to show an "anti-" bias, then it's not acceptable. But "Protestant" is still used as a term of ridicule by the same folks. Sad.

Bottom line. Caucus is caucus.

Hoss

35 posted on 02/21/2011 5:09:43 PM PST by HossB86
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To: wmfights
I think it is as simple as saying "Christ crucified".

AMEN!

It really IS that simple. And as has been said, we can disagree on many things... and goodness knows there's enough of those things. But the basic tenants of faith are the same: Christ and Him crucified. Faith alone; Christ alone.

Hoss

37 posted on 02/21/2011 5:14:38 PM PST by HossB86
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To: Quix

This is a caucus thread. Knock it off!


39 posted on 02/21/2011 5:26:41 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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AYE AYE.


41 posted on 02/21/2011 5:29:49 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

well that’s what I said, Winning the Future


45 posted on 02/21/2011 5:34:50 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: rbmillerjr; Hegewisch Dupa
“Latin Rites and Orthodox have lost the freedom to gather? I did not know that....”

I missed that. When did this happen?

Well, what the heck are you doing asking this on OUR caucus thread???!!! (Just kidding) :o)

46 posted on 02/21/2011 5:35:03 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: wmfights
Today to much emphasis on which church you are in and how it is different from others has led to the growth of Non-Denoms. The critical factor from my perspective is do you believe The Gospel, do you believe in the Trinitarian understanding of God. If you hold these as firm beliefs we can argue all day, but we are still Brothers and when someone asks we should be ready to preach The Gospel.

It's the difference between *churchianity* and Christianity.

I like to read books like The People Time Forgot by Alice Gibbons or The Peace Child by Don Richardson. It gives a wonderful picture of just what churches look like when unencumbered with programs and committees.

47 posted on 02/21/2011 5:36:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne

we respect your caucus threads, which incidentally seem to have at the most 3 or 4 posts, so please respect ours.


49 posted on 02/21/2011 5:39:04 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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