Skip to comments.To My Tolerant Friends...an answer to a letter
Posted on 02/22/2011 4:01:40 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
I received an e-mail the other day in response to the witness of the young man in our church who wouldnt wrestle a girl at the state wrestling tournament, thus forfeiting a chance at winning his weight class. When I tried to respond my e-mail came back. Thats when the idea came to me to make this a teachable moment and answer publically.
I will change his name, and chose not to even use his initials because they are B.S. and that would be too suggestive. Instead we will call him Mr. F.E. Minist .His words will be in italics .
Dear Mr. F.E. Minist , I want to answer you, because I dont think you are getting what Joel was doing by refusing to wrestle a girl in a tournament. Ill put your comments in bold italics and answer as I can.
I just wanted to let your organization know how disgusted I am with your lack of respect for women in your church.
Our organisation is in fact a church. Jesus Christ founded the church, to be a witness to this fallen world to the Truth of God (ie the eternal and spiritual reality). Jesus knew that because of alienation from God, men would skew and distort the truth in both word and practice. Currently the truth about what a man or a woman is, is being distorted by the feminist movement, the homosexual rights movement and other anti-christian movements in society. The widespread misery and bondage of gender confusion, broken homes and the attempt to destroy marriage by redefining it, are the bitter fruits of this trend. Therefore the best thing we can do as the church is to uphold the biblical standard of what a man or woman should be. A man should be a responsible provider, protector, and servant leader. Men dont fight women physically. Jesus would never do it, and neither would any infomed christian. Women and men are not interchangeable, they are equal but definitely not the same, they were made differently and have different God assigned roles.
Women deserve as much respect as men do.
Of course they do, Women definitely deserve respect. No question about it. Wherever in the world the Judeo Christian scriptures have held any kind of influence in society, women have been elevated to the highest level.
On the contrary, wherever in the world paganism has held sway, with its pornography, sexual libertinism, abortion, no fault divorce, and countless other plagues always demeans women. It is modern feminism that demeans women, because they debase that which is uniquely feminine, the ability to give birth (Abortion), to nurture children (careerism), and to keep a home for a husband and family.
To disrespect women the way your church does is wrong and disgusting.
Mr F.E., you are just showing how jaded and feminised you really are.(A man can be a feminist as well as a woman, because feminism is a philosophy, a rejection of that which is truly feminine.)
It is subtle, this feminization of society. People change and dont even realize it. 30 Years ago I was a high school wrestler, we would have scoffed at the thought of a young woman wanting to wrestle men, let alone wrestle at all!
How do you know what my church is like? All you know ,presumably, is by the behaviour of a young man from our church, who didnt demand any concessions from the Iowa High School Amateur Athletic association, but quietly and without fanfare bowed out of the tournament . Does he not have a right to choose? Or is the tolerance only one way?
Its a shame that churches, like yours, continue to live in the dark ages where men and placed above women.
F.E., the dark ages are descending on us even now, for as men abandon the Judeo Christian moral code, which once infused society with unprecedented respect and protection of women, the unthinkable in public coarseness and insensitivity to women or children will become common.
Remember F.E. , it is the pornographic culture that has led to international trade in women and children as sex slaves, known as human trafficking. Welcome to post christian, pagan civilization.
It is not your place in society to determine where a womans place is. It is up to the woman to determine her place. Not yours.
We are only bearing witness, not forcing anyone to do anything. It is not up to man or woman, but to the Creator Himself who assigned us the sexual roles, to determine our place.
The real problem is that this generation is estranged from God, therefore its freedom is actually bondage! the sexual revolution has only liberated men and women from good things such as Security, respect, committment, faithfulness, true Love, and intact family.
Freedom isnt autonomy, but the ability and power to be who you were created to be, and to love it. Jesus said,If you continue in my word, you will be my disciples indeed and you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free-
Think about it- Pas Bill
It is amazing to me that so many people want to make this a religous issue. IMO it is not. This young man has standards. He has decided it not appropriate to wrestle a girl. This young man has also chosen not to make a big deal about it(girl opponent as well). These kids have more class than the detractors.
Your right- both he and she are models of how to handle a situation like this, however, the conviction is a religious one, but you are right again, he made no issue of it, he just followed his conviction and didn’t ask anyone else to pay the price for it.
Why should boys wrestle girls? I mean the poor boy might
suffer from am involutary state of arousal. How embarassing!
Same with girls
The sexual connotations to wrestling betweem the sexes should make separating them as contestants a “NO BRAINER”
This is rank insensitivity by the ignorant “politically correct” Thise who advocate intersex sport wrestling for uneed sensitivity training
You are absolutely right.
Wrestling is FOREPLAY for adolescents.
Speaking the truth in love, Pastor Bill... AMEN!
The real problem is that this generation is estranged from God, therefore its freedom is actually bondage!
Actually, the real problem is the sin, adultery, porn, lack of witnessing, lack of exorcism, lack of faith among church leaders and churchgoers that is the problem.
That’s why the Arabs, Russians, and Chinese are chomping at the bit to destroy us.
Just as ancient Israel had enemies ordained by God set to destroy it for their sins, so do we Christians have God set against us for our sins.
You are absolutely, 100%, Spot On, correct. It is about standards. The left does not want standards of any kind. That makes it easier for decadence and debauchery to flourish and THAT is what they like and enjoy.
You hit it!
And to have a girk take control is a little much for bys so young Hell, some men can;t allow it without becomeing permanantly scarred, they are so sensitive ti the issue
Its too much for a boy to surrender in this way. It should not be expected of boys who are still just developing their own ideas of themselves
I personally think that this is one of the greatest spotrs stories of the year and I hold that young man in the highest regard. I will not comment on the parents of the young girl involved .......O.K., I will....THEY’RE NUTS