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To: verdugo

The article seems to find fault with the modern Mass as a result of Vatican II.

I’m not so sure if it is Vatican II, the misinterpretted implementation of Vatican II, or an aging and shrinking number of priests to perform all of their functions.

All of the above?


17 posted on 02/28/2011 6:34:28 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
Catholic men are taught to be wimps. Jesus was a nice guy right?

It starts with a weak father figure who were too weak to truly run a household or limp-wristed schooling. Then the next generation is even weaker than the previous. It takes a massive upheaval to reverse the trend.

Go to any youth group and you'll see, as C.S. Lewis puts it, "Men Without Chests". They think people liking you is more important than people respecting you. If the men are too wussy to be men, women will fill the void. Just look at the new outpouring of female conservatives with more balls than most of the men. When women have to be the men, something is horribly wrong in your culture.
22 posted on 02/28/2011 6:49:44 AM PST by DarkSavant
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To: kidd
It's:
1) The progressivists elimination of SCHOLASTICISM, the apex of 1900+ years of perfecting theological and philosophical language, which WAS ABANDONED AT VATICAN II for “patched up, incoherent, more appropriate to a Babel and its confusion of languages”, method of writing.

2) The above facilitated, open the door to: the insertion of purposely ambiguous language in VatII, that would later be interpreted to the benefit of the progressives

3)It was the change to the vernacular mass, which opened up the New Mass to all kinds of ad-libbing, as many masses as there were priests (and the Charismatic masses, Clown masses, Conga line masses, Polka masses). Something which could not be done with the mass had it been done in Latin.

Look, what happened was exactly what the progressivists had planned. They had no intention of just doing the New Mass in Latin with the same churches,high altars, vestments, altar men/boys, that existed for like 500 years. They wanted what you see. Had they done the Novus Ordo in Latin, with the same vestments, altars,churches, altar servers as in the 1950’s NO ONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED! That was not their intention, they wanted what you see today.

In the end, the shortage of priests is simple (it stems from the same cause of the shortage of mass attending men) - What man would want to be a priest (or attend mass) in this TOTALLY effeminatized mass environment? Only feelings oriented effeminatized men.

57 posted on 02/28/2011 11:02:11 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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