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To: Jim Noble

Your “reform” then was to bring in effeminitized clergy, and women, and chase away the real men?


8 posted on 02/28/2011 5:58:24 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: verdugo
Your “reform” then was to bring in effeminitized clergy, and women, and chase away the real men?

1) It's not MY reform. I was in protestant Sunday School at the time. My married homosexual alcoholic youth minister was very enthusiastic about V II, we studied it all the time. I'm merely a well-informed observer.

2) By "reform", I was referring to the pervasive control over the Church by powerful homosexual leaders like Spellman and O'Connell.

3) If you think V II was (among other things) a "turn towards protestantism", I think you're right. Given the enormous homosexual corruption of the pre-Vatican II American church, JXXIII had a limited menu of options to work with. I understand the opinion that he made unwise choices, you may be correct about that.

4) The judgement of the fruits of V II should be made independently of the nature of AmChurch in the 1940s and 1950s - a church run by powerful homosexual cardinals who created a system to groom and ordain the Birminghams, the Shanleys, the Geoghans who were unleashed on Catholic families before V II was even convened.

5) THAT was the reality of AmChurch in the 1950s, and presenting it as a faithful witness to the gospel and a faithful disciple of the Holy Spirit (in opposition to V II) is misguided.

14 posted on 02/28/2011 6:30:52 AM PST by Jim Noble (House GOP: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.)
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