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Peter Kreeft and Robert Spencer Engage in Lively Debate on Islam
Jihad Watch ^ | November 8, 2010 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/02/2011 3:12:58 AM PST by Christus_Rex

Spencer agreed with Kreeft that since Islam is the faith of more than a billion people, he would also like to find a version of that religion which renounces religious oppression, the suppression and mistreatment of women, and the use of violence. "Having studied the source materials--the Qur'an, the authentic Hadiths accepted by all Muslims, and the teachings of the most authoritative scholars across the Islamic world, I regret that I must say: Such an Islam does not exist. I wish it did. So does Dr. Kreeft. But we must not settle for wishful thinking. There are many peaceful Muslims who do not engage in violent jihad and who support religious freedom, but in doing so they are acting like Catholics who practice birth control or support legal abortion. They are defying their religion, because they do not have the authority to reform it," Spencer said.

Spencer went on to cite a number of Qur'anic injunctions to conquer, convert, or subjugate Jews and Christians--and noted that because these verses of the Qur'an were spoken by Muhammad later in his life, orthodox Muslims consider them more normative than his earlier calls for religious toleration. "Essentially, when Muhammad was weak and unpopular, he asked members of other faiths to live and let live. Once he controlled the city of Medina and led an army, he received new revelations that called for jihad and religious persecution. Islamic scholars believe that the later revelations abrogated (or overruled) the earlier ones. But when they are in a position of weakness--as they are today in America--Muslims like to cite the peaceful verses. Sad to say, they are merely being strategic. When they gain a position of power, they will always change their tune.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Islam; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; christian; debate; islam
This is a fantastic debate. MUST SEE!
1 posted on 03/02/2011 3:13:06 AM PST by Christus_Rex
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To: Christus_Rex

ping! It IS good. The comments following are good reading, too.


2 posted on 03/02/2011 3:21:47 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: SueRae

Yeah.


3 posted on 03/02/2011 3:37:26 AM PST by Christus_Rex
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To: Christus_Rex

Bump


4 posted on 03/02/2011 3:43:16 AM PST by tutstar
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To: SJackson

Ping


5 posted on 03/02/2011 3:44:11 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Christus_Rex

ping for later


6 posted on 03/02/2011 3:44:37 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Christus_Rex

Great if islamic nations could see as well, but wonderful western and eastern nations are discussing the violent nature of Islam, it will eventually follow to the conclusion that it is a fake religion about a fake god used to motivate people without changing them from their sins in order to control them for maniacal goals of the prophets domination..


7 posted on 03/02/2011 4:05:06 AM PST by aces
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To: aces

truth!


8 posted on 03/02/2011 4:08:57 AM PST by Christus_Rex
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To: Christus_Rex

ping


9 posted on 03/02/2011 8:19:29 AM PST by Christus_Rex
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To: Christus_Rex

Thanks for posting. Robert Spencer is awesome.


10 posted on 03/02/2011 5:05:43 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

Welcome. Yeah good stuff. Muslims put a huge price on his head, brave man.


11 posted on 03/04/2011 1:49:59 PM PST by Christus_Rex
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