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Facts Seventh Day Adventists won't tell you
MacGregor Ministries ^ | 2001 | MacGregor

Posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if questioned. Watch out for these SDA outreaches as well: Voice of Prophecy, Faith for Today, It is Written, The Quiet Hour, Amazing Facts etc. They also hide behind Heath oriented shows on the networks, and sponsor stop-smoking clinics etc, all as introductions to Seventh-day Adventism.

They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them, but what do they really believe?

What facts won't they tell you?

They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that

"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).

That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won't say it out loud in public, or to your face.

They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism.

Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,

"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church".

If the candidate says "yes" and is baptised, they soon learn that the "gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know how exclusive it is, yet!

No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.

Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from Evangelical Christianity.


Doctrine on Christ

Seventh-day Adventists, in the early days, denied the Trinity, but now they accept it. However, they have "leftovers" from this heresy. Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".

Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!


Doctrines on Salvation

If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA's, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement,

"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".

Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes.

Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday.

The rest of us "Sunday keepers" are doomed to receive the "mark of the beast" and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505). They sure don't say this at their seminars!

Christ exclaimed "It is finished" when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism! EGW wrote in "The Faith I Live By" p. 211,

"At the time appointed for the judgement - the close of the 2300 days, in 1844&endash;began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins...both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works". (Rev. 20:12".

People are never told at Seminars that if they become SDA's and are baptized, a recording angel is watching their every move to determine their salvation eventually. EGW issues this warning in The Faith I Live By, page 210,

"Every man's work passes in review before God...Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel."

It's not much fun being an Adventist and being watched constantly by that recording angel with his "terrible exactness". Prepare to become very uptight.

Christians will say, "sure we slip sometimes into unintentional sin, but we have a mediator in Christ Jesus". No, you don't in Seventh-day Adventism. Be prepared for this SDA doctrine by Ellen G. White:

"...Those who are living on the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil....". (The Great Controversy p. 425).

Obviously they have chosen EGW's doctrine over that stated in the Bible in Hebrews 7:25,

"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them".

Where would we all be without Christ as our mediator, EVER making intercession for us?

Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree...". Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote,

"...so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate...".(The Great Controversy p. 485).

You won't hear this one at the Seminars! They keep their radical teachings for later.


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To: taxcontrol

I understand it perfectly. And you, too. And so does anyone who reads through this.


21 posted on 03/02/2011 1:10:19 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol

dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat, or steal.

It is many things, including your fake “entrapment” maneuver.

I know the script, I know how it goes...

“Do you believe the new testament is inspired of God?”

“yes”

“Well, here’s a text that tells women to be silent, and then you claim to have female prophet. So, you’re violating the bible’s instructions.”

yeah, I know where all these dishonest arguments go, seen them before, recognize them a mile off. Your own flourishing dishonest telegraphs itself in your posting.


22 posted on 03/02/2011 1:14:10 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if questioned.

There have been mailing locally for this. It takes quite a bit of digging from what they give you to find out who's behind it.

23 posted on 03/02/2011 1:43:25 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Mr. Darby's bad laudanum dream affects us still. Bad Eschatology Has Consequences.)
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To: jacknhoo

There is such a thing as a “Christian Cult”
You may disagree.
That is fine.


24 posted on 03/02/2011 2:09:46 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons

So since neither one of those is dangerous, I won't worry about the SDA's.

(A bit peculiar, perhaps, but not dangerous).

25 posted on 03/02/2011 2:12:37 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: bkepley

A Mormon bit my sister.

A Jehovah witnessed it.


26 posted on 03/02/2011 2:13:57 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Kansas58
who thought the world would end, tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day

FR has an entire "Rapture imminent any day now" caucus that believes exactly that.

27 posted on 03/02/2011 2:16:05 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: The Watcher
Now who is being dishonest - I postulated no such "entrapment". I only asked how one can reconcile two beliefs that are opposite of each other. This allows the individual the opportunity to present their side and gives room for them to come up with an explanation. If they can provide a logical explanation, then we are able to proceed with reasoned discourse.

However, if they cant provide a logical explanation, then it has been made apparent that there are conflicting beliefs. The uncomfortable feeling that is associated with holding two conflicting beliefs is call cognitive dissonance. People often become very angry and frustrated when confronted with with such a situation. They will often not even attempt to resolve the conflict but resort to other expressions of their anger.

As for your assertion that dishonesty is not an inclination to lie, cheat or steal.... you really should consult a dictionary as it is certainly included in the definition.

dis·hon·es·ty
   /dɪsˈɒnəsti/ Show Spelled[dis-on-uh-stee]
–noun, plural -ties.
1. lack of honesty; a disposition to lie, cheat, or steal.
2. a dishonest act; fraud.

28 posted on 03/02/2011 2:34:15 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: The Watcher
what we do know is that from reading the account, the instruction given is not a doctrine from Christ, but is, as is much of the the new testament, precisely that... The accounts of the disciples and apostles, concerning the life of Christ and the events shortly following his death.

So the other books are basically like short stories that someone thought was interesting enough to include.

And here I thought it was Jesus speaking through the apostles via the Holy Spirit.

29 posted on 03/02/2011 2:46:15 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: The Watcher

These guys have a point; Women cannot be priests/ministers nor have leadership roles in the church, yet the distinguishing SDA belief set is built around one charismatic lady. They have a point and they are not playing unfair.
However, SDA’s are christian and not a ‘cult’ in its present form.


30 posted on 03/02/2011 3:23:32 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

As long as they aren’t strapping bombs onto themselves and blowing up people I don’t care what they choose to believe.

Read the U.S. Constituion and the First Amendment.


31 posted on 03/02/2011 3:28:16 PM PST by Fledermaus (RINO'S no more! Defeat socialist in every party!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Fortunately, not everyone has your binary, blinkered view of Scripture, and isn’t handicapped like you are.


32 posted on 03/02/2011 5:40:05 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol

You said: “As for your assertion that dishonesty is not an inclination to lie, cheat or steal.... you really should consult a dictionary as it is certainly included in the definition.”

It is not the ONLY definition.

My statement is absolutely correct.


33 posted on 03/02/2011 5:41:36 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: RBIEL2

You said: “These guys have a point; Women cannot be priests/ministers nor have leadership roles in the church, yet the distinguishing SDA belief set is built around one charismatic lady. They have a point and they are not playing unfair.”

This is absolutely false.


34 posted on 03/02/2011 5:42:26 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

That was enlightening. Ever done any comparitive studies within Christianity? I hope your older than 18 to boot!


35 posted on 03/02/2011 6:12:34 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: RBIEL2

It is absolutely false that women cannot be in leadership positions in the SDA church. I don’t know how you can argue with that. It’s reality.


36 posted on 03/02/2011 7:56:18 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol

I don’t see the contradiction. There were female prophets in the Bible. Some translations of that passage say “wives” instead of “women.”


37 posted on 03/02/2011 9:07:30 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby
The issue raised is not the issue of prophesy coming from a woman. Rather the area that needs reconciliation is the reverence placed by Adventists on Ellen and specifically positioning her to be the head of their church. This seems to be at odds with scripture and I invite an Adventist apologist to provide an explanation.
38 posted on 03/02/2011 9:21:11 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: bkepley

Why joke? This is serious. There are a number of churchs out there who are leading their members to hell. In fact most are doing this as they do not stick to the Bible alone but add to it.


39 posted on 03/02/2011 10:01:17 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: jacknhoo

Read the article, it gives adequate proof that the Adventists are a cult. I am sorry if this is where you go, but you should know the truth.


40 posted on 03/02/2011 10:02:40 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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