Skip to comments.Facts Seventh Day Adventists won't tell you
Posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if questioned. Watch out for these SDA outreaches as well: Voice of Prophecy, Faith for Today, It is Written, The Quiet Hour, Amazing Facts etc. They also hide behind Heath oriented shows on the networks, and sponsor stop-smoking clinics etc, all as introductions to Seventh-day Adventism.
They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them, but what do they really believe?
What facts won't they tell you?
They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that
"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).
That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won't say it out loud in public, or to your face.
They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:
"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".
They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism.
Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,
"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church".
If the candidate says "yes" and is baptised, they soon learn that the "gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know how exclusive it is, yet!
No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.
Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from Evangelical Christianity.
Doctrine on Christ
Seventh-day Adventists, in the early days, denied the Trinity, but now they accept it. However, they have "leftovers" from this heresy. Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".
Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!
Doctrines on Salvation
If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA's, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement,
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God".
Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes.
Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday.
The rest of us "Sunday keepers" are doomed to receive the "mark of the beast" and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505). They sure don't say this at their seminars!
Christ exclaimed "It is finished" when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism! EGW wrote in "The Faith I Live By" p. 211,
"At the time appointed for the judgement - the close of the 2300 days, in 1844&endash;began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins...both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works". (Rev. 20:12".
People are never told at Seminars that if they become SDA's and are baptized, a recording angel is watching their every move to determine their salvation eventually. EGW issues this warning in The Faith I Live By, page 210,
"Every man's work passes in review before God...Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel."
It's not much fun being an Adventist and being watched constantly by that recording angel with his "terrible exactness". Prepare to become very uptight.
Christians will say, "sure we slip sometimes into unintentional sin, but we have a mediator in Christ Jesus". No, you don't in Seventh-day Adventism. Be prepared for this SDA doctrine by Ellen G. White:
"...Those who are living on the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil....". (The Great Controversy p. 425).
Obviously they have chosen EGW's doctrine over that stated in the Bible in Hebrews 7:25,
"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them".
Where would we all be without Christ as our mediator, EVER making intercession for us?
Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree...". Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote,
"...so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate...".(The Great Controversy p. 485).
You won't hear this one at the Seminars! They keep their radical teachings for later.
Don't forget the Amish. I've been reading some incredible things about them here.
Charles Taze Russell, the founder of The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society (JW’s) came out of the Millerite Adventists (SDA - Russell tweaked SDA and came out with the JW’s). And that’s an interesting read.
When I was overseas in the Marshall Islands, our chapel sponsored most of the missionaries on outlying islands, including the SDA. They seem so bright and shiny clean and they really do want to be perceived and evangelicals. After I studied them (read their Statement of Faith), it was obvious to me they are heretical. I had to quit the missionary council because the council wouldn’t acknowledge them as heretics. I joined a smaller baptist fellowship.
Seventh Day Adventists, comprised of at least six different sects of American protestantism, are Christian and not a cult.
They are a cult.
By virtue of their valid baptism, and their belief in Christs divinity and in the doctrine of the Trinity, Seventh-Day Adventists are both ontologically and theologically Christians. But Christians, once separated from the Church our Lord founded, are susceptible to being “tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine” (Eph. 4:14).
I’ve known a few extremist members of the Church of Christ that thought other Christian churches were apostste, but that doen not mean the entire COC is a cult. The extremist were members of small rural COCs. The larger ones I know of are good Bible churches.
This is 100 percent nonsense.
1) Ask them if they believe the New Testament is the word of God as revealed through the apostles
2) Then ask them how they reconcile the scriptures (1 Corinthians 14:34) with a woman keeping silent and their prophetess I have to admit, it is kind of fun to watch the leaps of logic, conjecture and backtracking at that point. And if you really want get them to do dances of logic and back tracking, ask them about Ellen White's FAILED prophecy.
Embarrassing Failed Prophecies
In her early career Mrs. White made a number of predictions about Christ's imminent return. The most notable of those was a specific prediction made at a conference of believers in 1856. This statement was later published in the book Testimonies and received widespread attention within the SDA Church. Mrs. White claimed she was shown in vision that some of those present at the 1856 conference would be translated:
I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131
A Failed Prophecy?
Mrs. White was given a vision showing the fate of those people attending the conference. She specifically states that some of them will suffer the seven last plagues, and some will be alive when Jesus returns. The Whites had such confidence in this "vision" that it was published in Mrs. White's Testimonies to the Church and received widespread distribution. However, by the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.
The Bible leaves no doubt that when a prophet makes a prediction that does not come to pass, that prophet is not speaking for the Lord:
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
Re: “The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons”
The only Adventists I’ve ever known were lovely, caring people — well liked physicians and their families here in the cesspool of L.A. And no, I’m not an Adventist myself...
At least they don’t worship a dude in Italy wearing a funny hat. Or I should say a dude that changes after the old dude dies. Pot calling Kettle black, is all it is. Everyone thinks their faith is the WAY, or else it wouldn’t be their faith.
1) Ask them if they believe the New Testament is the word of God as revealed through the apostles
2) Then ask them how they reconcile the scriptures (1 Corinthians 14:34) with a woman keeping silent
Ahh, so by exploiting people’s goodwill, using slightly clever intellectual misdirection and getting them to agree with an overly broad definition, you then reverse course and attack them for lack of specificity... And then criticize them corporately for intellectual deficiency...
I am so underwhelmed at your dishonesty. Anyone can play that stupid word game with anyone. Only dishonest people do, but then, that was obvious from the start.
If anyone wants to know what this is actually about...
The letter to the church addresses a cultural clash of the day... One faction culturally, did not allow women to speak in public, and one did. The people who did not allow it were offended greatly at the impudence of the women who spoke up publicly and violated very strict cultural mores.
The apostle (believed to be Paul) was of the opinion that in this clash, one of the sides had to compromise, and for reasons we don’t know, chose the side he did. Perhaps he thought it unwise to try to undo a societal stricture by force, or maybe it was just about who the majority was, we don’t know. Whatever the case, we don’t know if the church followed the advice or not. what we do know is that from reading the account, the instruction given is not a doctrine from Christ, but is, as is much of the the new testament, precisely that... The accounts of the disciples and apostles, concerning the life of Christ and the events shortly following his death.
There is no reason to think that this is anything other than the account of a cultural clash. Certainly, there is no reason to think this is a doctrine.
“Don’t forget the Amish. I’ve been reading some incredible things about them here. “
Wow, it is obvious you do not understand the definition of dishonest (a disposition to lie, cheat, or steal). Please explain how asking two very simple questions is dishonest.
I understand it perfectly. And you, too. And so does anyone who reads through this.
dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat, or steal.
It is many things, including your fake “entrapment” maneuver.
I know the script, I know how it goes...
“Do you believe the new testament is inspired of God?”
“Well, here’s a text that tells women to be silent, and then you claim to have female prophet. So, you’re violating the bible’s instructions.”
yeah, I know where all these dishonest arguments go, seen them before, recognize them a mile off. Your own flourishing dishonest telegraphs itself in your posting.
Seventh-day Adventists won't tell you they are behind the "Revelation Seminars" they sponsor. They act all" interdenominational" if questioned.
There have been mailing locally for this. It takes quite a bit of digging from what they give you to find out who's behind it.
There is such a thing as a “Christian Cult”
You may disagree.
That is fine.
So since neither one of those is dangerous, I won't worry about the SDA's.
(A bit peculiar, perhaps, but not dangerous).
A Mormon bit my sister.
A Jehovah witnessed it.
FR has an entire "Rapture imminent any day now" caucus that believes exactly that.
However, if they cant provide a logical explanation, then it has been made apparent that there are conflicting beliefs. The uncomfortable feeling that is associated with holding two conflicting beliefs is call cognitive dissonance. People often become very angry and frustrated when confronted with with such a situation. They will often not even attempt to resolve the conflict but resort to other expressions of their anger.
As for your assertion that dishonesty is not an inclination to lie, cheat or steal.... you really should consult a dictionary as it is certainly included in the definition.
/dɪsˈɒnəsti/ Show Spelled[dis-on-uh-stee]
noun, plural -ties.
1. lack of honesty; a disposition to lie, cheat, or steal.
2. a dishonest act; fraud.
So the other books are basically like short stories that someone thought was interesting enough to include.
And here I thought it was Jesus speaking through the apostles via the Holy Spirit.
These guys have a point; Women cannot be priests/ministers nor have leadership roles in the church, yet the distinguishing SDA belief set is built around one charismatic lady. They have a point and they are not playing unfair.
However, SDA’s are christian and not a ‘cult’ in its present form.
As long as they aren’t strapping bombs onto themselves and blowing up people I don’t care what they choose to believe.
Read the U.S. Constituion and the First Amendment.
Fortunately, not everyone has your binary, blinkered view of Scripture, and isn’t handicapped like you are.
You said: “As for your assertion that dishonesty is not an inclination to lie, cheat or steal.... you really should consult a dictionary as it is certainly included in the definition.”
It is not the ONLY definition.
My statement is absolutely correct.
You said: “These guys have a point; Women cannot be priests/ministers nor have leadership roles in the church, yet the distinguishing SDA belief set is built around one charismatic lady. They have a point and they are not playing unfair.”
This is absolutely false.
That was enlightening. Ever done any comparitive studies within Christianity? I hope your older than 18 to boot!
It is absolutely false that women cannot be in leadership positions in the SDA church. I don’t know how you can argue with that. It’s reality.
I don’t see the contradiction. There were female prophets in the Bible. Some translations of that passage say “wives” instead of “women.”
Why joke? This is serious. There are a number of churchs out there who are leading their members to hell. In fact most are doing this as they do not stick to the Bible alone but add to it.
Read the article, it gives adequate proof that the Adventists are a cult. I am sorry if this is where you go, but you should know the truth.
Why is it nonsense? Adventists are brainwashed with these false messages over and over again. Go and ask and you will see that these are true.
You cannot add or remove from the Bible. You cannot say you like this or do not like that and pick and choose. You have to take the Bible as a whole, accept it as without error or you become like the Adventists and other cults
I just went here:
The fundamental doctrines... No mention of Ellen White, actually. All from the Bible.
Care to explain why you lied about this?
Adventism is not a cult. That’s nonsense, made up crap.
You said “You cannot add or remove from the Bible. You cannot say you like this or do not like that and pick and choose. You have to take the Bible as a whole, accept it as without error or you become like the Adventists and other cults”
fortunately, I’m not blind and blinkered like your closed mind, and so have no need of arguing silly nonsense.
As far as I’m concerned, it is catholics who are brainwashed, as well as almost all “protestant” churches, because they cede biblical authority to the claims of power by the Orthodox church (Catholic).
What's funny is I was considering checking out an SDA church, but your attitude and nonsensical responses have changed my mind. Congrats.
Yes, you are all brainwashed. Which are these ‘protestant’ Churches you refer to? The SDA are not protestant — they are a cult
’ Im not blind and blinkered like your closed mind, and ‘ — oh, so if you’re not blind and blinkered, why do you follow a cult that has as it’s founder the prophetess Ellen G White. Was she a prophet or a scoundrel?
Your exact words in post 22 were:
dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat, or steal
This statement is provably false. The dictionary states that the definition #1 for the word dishonesty is "an inclination to lie, cheat or steal". You can verify this at www.dictionary.com
You then later assert that it is not the ONLY definition. BTW, I never said it was the ONLY definition. This is known as the attempt to move the starting point in debating. You are attempting to have others look past your initial incorrect statement by making a slightly modified statement.
So in summary
Your first statement that the definition of dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat or steal is in fact, in error. You second statement in the attempt to cover for the first where you assert that it is not the ONLY definition, while true, is a very weak attempt to cover for your first mistake.