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Facts Seventh Day Adventists won't tell you
MacGregor Ministries ^ | 2001 | MacGregor

Posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

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To: The Watcher

Why is it nonsense? Adventists are brainwashed with these false messages over and over again. Go and ask and you will see that these are true.


41 posted on 03/02/2011 10:03:59 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher; taxcontrol
'Certainly, there is no reason to think this is a doctrine.'

You cannot add or remove from the Bible. You cannot say you like this or do not like that and pick and choose. You have to take the Bible as a whole, accept it as without error or you become like the Adventists and other cults

42 posted on 03/02/2011 10:07:32 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: taxcontrol

I just went here:

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

The fundamental doctrines... No mention of Ellen White, actually. All from the Bible.

Care to explain why you lied about this?


43 posted on 03/02/2011 10:24:54 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Adventism is not a cult. That’s nonsense, made up crap.


44 posted on 03/02/2011 10:26:32 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

You said “You cannot add or remove from the Bible. You cannot say you like this or do not like that and pick and choose. You have to take the Bible as a whole, accept it as without error or you become like the Adventists and other cults”

fortunately, I’m not blind and blinkered like your closed mind, and so have no need of arguing silly nonsense.


45 posted on 03/02/2011 10:27:54 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

As far as I’m concerned, it is catholics who are brainwashed, as well as almost all “protestant” churches, because they cede biblical authority to the claims of power by the Orthodox church (Catholic).


46 posted on 03/02/2011 10:45:55 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher
Fortunately, not everyone has your binary, blinkered view of Scripture, and isn’t handicapped like you are.

What's funny is I was considering checking out an SDA church, but your attitude and nonsensical responses have changed my mind. Congrats.

47 posted on 03/03/2011 8:32:00 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: The Watcher

Yes, you are all brainwashed. Which are these ‘protestant’ Churches you refer to? The SDA are not protestant — they are a cult


48 posted on 03/03/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher

’ I’m not blind and blinkered like your closed mind, and ‘ — oh, so if you’re not blind and blinkered, why do you follow a cult that has as it’s founder the prophetess Ellen G White. Was she a prophet or a scoundrel?


49 posted on 03/03/2011 9:11:51 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher
Allow me to correct you once again.

Your exact words in post 22 were:
dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat, or steal

This statement is provably false. The dictionary states that the definition #1 for the word dishonesty is "an inclination to lie, cheat or steal". You can verify this at www.dictionary.com

You then later assert that it is not the ONLY definition. BTW, I never said it was the ONLY definition. This is known as the attempt to move the starting point in debating. You are attempting to have others look past your initial incorrect statement by making a slightly modified statement.

So in summary

Your first statement that the definition of dishonesty is NOT an inclination to lie, cheat or steal is in fact, in error. You second statement in the attempt to cover for the first where you assert that it is not the ONLY definition, while true, is a very weak attempt to cover for your first mistake.

50 posted on 03/03/2011 4:42:31 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: The Watcher

You seem to have me confused with some other respondant to this forum. Please go back and reread post 14. In that post you will NOT find any assertions as to fundamental doctrine or beliefs held by the Adventists.

I did explain in the later passages why I believe that Ellen White is a false prophet.

Perhaps you are confused by my statements in post 38 where I asserted that Ellen White was the “head” of the Adventists. Perhaps I should have used terms like “founder” or “authority” or “instrumental” to avoid the confusion.

What I find very facinating is that you have not, and seemingly WILL NOT even attempt to answer the two questions nor are you willing to respond to the assertion on my part that Ellen White was a false prophet.

This leads me to wonder, if you are not going to take on the role of an Adventist appologist, why bother with all of this missplaced anger? If you dont have a good response, just say so and there is no need for debate.


51 posted on 03/03/2011 4:46:45 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

I rebutted your entire argument about your two silly questions, and at the same time, I have no information whatever your claim is false prophecy. First, I do not take the source you quote as truthful. There’s so much hate and venom on that site, I doubt ANYTHING on it is true. Second, like your two questions, matters of context are far more important than arbitrary and blinkered views of single Bible texts. I answered them in a post not addressed to you, since you have no interest in truth.


52 posted on 03/03/2011 5:03:56 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol; The Watcher
A very interesting post, taxcontrol
Embarrassing Failed Prophecies by Ellen G White

In her early career Mrs. White made a number of predictions about Christ's imminent return. The most notable of those was a specific prediction made at a conference of believers in 1856. This statement was later published in the book Testimonies and received widespread attention within the SDA Church. Mrs. White claimed she was shown in vision that some of those present at the 1856 conference would be translated:

I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131

A Failed Prophecy?

Mrs. White was given a vision showing the fate of those people attending the conference. She specifically states that some of them will suffer the seven last plagues, and some will be alive when Jesus returns. The Whites had such confidence in this "vision" that it was published in Mrs. White's Testimonies to the Church and received widespread distribution. However, by the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.

The Bible leaves no doubt that when a prophet makes a prediction that does not come to pass, that prophet is not speaking for the Lord:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
Watcher -- why do you follow this false prophetess?
53 posted on 03/04/2011 1:53:19 AM PST by Cronos
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This guy reminds me of the obamatons.. On an endless smear campaign against (insert target here).

I know nothing about the matter in question.

I just really dislike people, and tend to probe their arguments abit whenever see this behavior. Just ask yourself... Why does this person go out of their way to agressively hate and try to defame other people? It looks like BDS, PDS, and so on.

As I recall, one of the claims was that the church was founded by Ellen White. But, no, that wasn’t true. And then, the church FOLLOWS Ellen White, so I quoted the church’s apparent main website, who lists it’s beliefs, none of which seem to have anything to do with Ellen White.

So, I’m just answering you with the obvious... I think it’s just all made up nonsense, a campaign of hatred, by someone who claims to be on a mission for God.

If that were true, all he would preach would be the Gospel, not be the Fred Phelps of denominational hatreds.


54 posted on 03/04/2011 2:18:45 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

The official SDA website mentions Ellen White as follows: “The prophetic guidance of Ellen White within the movement solidified this perspective of social, organizational, and theological freedom.”

http://www.adventist.org/world-church/facts-and-figures/history/

It’s clear that the SDA considers Ellen White to be a guiding prophetess from the past. The modern SDA may try to hide their history, but there’s plenty of evidence of White’s influence on the movement.

Why are you in such fierce denial of the truth?


55 posted on 03/04/2011 10:07:19 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: catnipman; bkepley

56 posted on 03/04/2011 10:26:31 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: The Watcher
It is absolutely false that women cannot be in leadership positions in the SDA church. I don’t know how you can argue with that. It’s reality.

Yes but mainstream orthodox christianity does not allow this. This is the way we/us think. The downslide within christendom has in this last 100 years been with issues with homosexuality, abortion and womens and homosexual allowance into leadership positions.

57 posted on 03/04/2011 3:18:44 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: jacknhoo

Quoting the Catholic church to make a point about another church is some real funny $hit there sparky.


58 posted on 03/04/2011 3:23:23 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Seens your church is not in such good standing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2668898/posts


59 posted on 03/04/2011 4:34:59 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Turtlepower

Wow.. .”fierce denial”???

I think you’re trying to invent combat where non exists.


60 posted on 03/04/2011 7:26:29 PM PST by The Watcher
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