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Facts Seventh Day Adventists won't tell you
MacGregor Ministries ^ | 2001 | MacGregor

Posted on 03/02/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

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To: The Watcher

You seem to have me confused with some other respondant to this forum. Please go back and reread post 14. In that post you will NOT find any assertions as to fundamental doctrine or beliefs held by the Adventists.

I did explain in the later passages why I believe that Ellen White is a false prophet.

Perhaps you are confused by my statements in post 38 where I asserted that Ellen White was the “head” of the Adventists. Perhaps I should have used terms like “founder” or “authority” or “instrumental” to avoid the confusion.

What I find very facinating is that you have not, and seemingly WILL NOT even attempt to answer the two questions nor are you willing to respond to the assertion on my part that Ellen White was a false prophet.

This leads me to wonder, if you are not going to take on the role of an Adventist appologist, why bother with all of this missplaced anger? If you dont have a good response, just say so and there is no need for debate.


51 posted on 03/03/2011 4:46:45 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

I rebutted your entire argument about your two silly questions, and at the same time, I have no information whatever your claim is false prophecy. First, I do not take the source you quote as truthful. There’s so much hate and venom on that site, I doubt ANYTHING on it is true. Second, like your two questions, matters of context are far more important than arbitrary and blinkered views of single Bible texts. I answered them in a post not addressed to you, since you have no interest in truth.


52 posted on 03/03/2011 5:03:56 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol; The Watcher
A very interesting post, taxcontrol
Embarrassing Failed Prophecies by Ellen G White

In her early career Mrs. White made a number of predictions about Christ's imminent return. The most notable of those was a specific prediction made at a conference of believers in 1856. This statement was later published in the book Testimonies and received widespread attention within the SDA Church. Mrs. White claimed she was shown in vision that some of those present at the 1856 conference would be translated:

I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131

A Failed Prophecy?

Mrs. White was given a vision showing the fate of those people attending the conference. She specifically states that some of them will suffer the seven last plagues, and some will be alive when Jesus returns. The Whites had such confidence in this "vision" that it was published in Mrs. White's Testimonies to the Church and received widespread distribution. However, by the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.

The Bible leaves no doubt that when a prophet makes a prediction that does not come to pass, that prophet is not speaking for the Lord:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
Watcher -- why do you follow this false prophetess?
53 posted on 03/04/2011 1:53:19 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

This guy reminds me of the obamatons.. On an endless smear campaign against (insert target here).

I know nothing about the matter in question.

I just really dislike people, and tend to probe their arguments abit whenever see this behavior. Just ask yourself... Why does this person go out of their way to agressively hate and try to defame other people? It looks like BDS, PDS, and so on.

As I recall, one of the claims was that the church was founded by Ellen White. But, no, that wasn’t true. And then, the church FOLLOWS Ellen White, so I quoted the church’s apparent main website, who lists it’s beliefs, none of which seem to have anything to do with Ellen White.

So, I’m just answering you with the obvious... I think it’s just all made up nonsense, a campaign of hatred, by someone who claims to be on a mission for God.

If that were true, all he would preach would be the Gospel, not be the Fred Phelps of denominational hatreds.


54 posted on 03/04/2011 2:18:45 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

The official SDA website mentions Ellen White as follows: “The prophetic guidance of Ellen White within the movement solidified this perspective of social, organizational, and theological freedom.”

http://www.adventist.org/world-church/facts-and-figures/history/

It’s clear that the SDA considers Ellen White to be a guiding prophetess from the past. The modern SDA may try to hide their history, but there’s plenty of evidence of White’s influence on the movement.

Why are you in such fierce denial of the truth?


55 posted on 03/04/2011 10:07:19 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: catnipman; bkepley

56 posted on 03/04/2011 10:26:31 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: The Watcher
It is absolutely false that women cannot be in leadership positions in the SDA church. I don’t know how you can argue with that. It’s reality.

Yes but mainstream orthodox christianity does not allow this. This is the way we/us think. The downslide within christendom has in this last 100 years been with issues with homosexuality, abortion and womens and homosexual allowance into leadership positions.

57 posted on 03/04/2011 3:18:44 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: jacknhoo

Quoting the Catholic church to make a point about another church is some real funny $hit there sparky.


58 posted on 03/04/2011 3:23:23 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Seens your church is not in such good standing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2668898/posts


59 posted on 03/04/2011 4:34:59 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Turtlepower

Wow.. .”fierce denial”???

I think you’re trying to invent combat where non exists.


60 posted on 03/04/2011 7:26:29 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: RBIEL2

The acceptance of women has been a cause for spiritual decline?

Whoa... That’s some really “out there” stuff.


61 posted on 03/04/2011 7:28:03 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: mad_as_he$$

So what if some people spread lies about us on the internet? None of it is true


62 posted on 03/04/2011 10:03:40 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher

I’ve been nice to you, but your rather droll.
Your too used to people being combative with you.
I had been enjoying our too and fro. Goodday.


63 posted on 03/05/2011 1:11:35 AM PST by RBIEL2
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

You are an idiot.


64 posted on 03/05/2011 7:18:20 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Hardly. If you want to know God, come to a real Bible believing church — www.opc.org


65 posted on 03/05/2011 9:05:11 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
The only being that will decide WHO has the “right” church is God. I have known many people of your religion as well as hundreds of SDA, Mormons, JW’s, Baptists. They all are just trying to do the right thing - with the exception of jerks like you. When I was a kid there was THREE Presb churches in a town of 3,000. They all hated the ones that attended the other church - which ever one that was. Religious bigotry even from the same denomination. What a joke. Rather than bashing other’s religion why don't you try “selling” yours.

The SDA church runs hospitals that heal thousands, they run a top shelf medical and dental school. They are often the first to deliver relief to areas such as Haiti. That is good enough for me.

Oh and typical religious bigotry, to assume on your part, that I do not know God. Judge not lest ye be judged. I will gladly laugh my a$$ off all the to the gates of hell with you and your ilk infront of me because as it turns out God is a Mormon.

66 posted on 03/05/2011 3:00:45 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: The Watcher

“I just really dislike people” — that is apparent. Isn’t Ellen White one of your prophetesses? In fact the only modern prophet for the seventh day adventists?


67 posted on 03/05/2011 9:34:10 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: The Watcher

And the Adventists teach the false belief in being saved by works not faith alone.


68 posted on 03/05/2011 9:36:39 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: mad_as_he$$

‘your religion’ and ‘THREE Presb churches’. Do not presume to believe that the PCUSA and those liberal mainstream denominations are truly Presbyterian. In fact they are just like Catholics or Adventists or Pentecostals, practically pagans. To see more of what a real Bible believing church believes in go to www.opc.org


69 posted on 03/05/2011 9:39:43 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Your political campaign of hatred has pretty much proved you are NO man of God.


70 posted on 03/06/2011 1:45:52 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher

what hatred? I am just telling the truth. Tell me, why do Adventists believe that Christians who worship on Sundays ‘bear the mark of Satan’ and are going to hell? Tell me, why do Adventists believe that the angel Michael is Jesus? Tell me, why do adventists believe in a works based religion and not salvation by faith alone?


71 posted on 03/06/2011 9:50:13 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Let’s just say you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Seriously that stuff is so goofy and absurd, I have no idea where you got it, or who made it up, but whatever the source, if you want to know what Adventists believe, ask them. If you want to know what Mormons believe, ask them. If you want to know what anyone believes, ask them.

Going around broadcasting detrimental stuff about other people.... Especially when it’s false or patently absurd... Cannot be interpreted as anything but a campaign of hate. So, get over yourself, start worrying about what truth is, and pursuing it for yourself. That’s sufficient a challenge to keep you occupied for a lifetime.


72 posted on 03/06/2011 10:25:46 PM PST by The Watcher
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To: count-your-change; JNRoberts; Thane_Banquo
Is this true about Adventists? I've learnt not to trust an OPC diatribe.
73 posted on 04/28/2011 7:20:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos

Why would I care what a couple of keyboard warriors from Canada say about anything? Want to know something about the Adventist, go ask them, hit their web sites, etc.

“MacGreor Ministries”? What in the world is that?


74 posted on 04/28/2011 8:29:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Who is the so-called “MacGregor Ministries”?


75 posted on 04/28/2011 8:37:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cronos
Is this true about Adventists? I've learnt not to trust an OPC diatribe.

I was raised an SDA from birth until Jesus saved me from that hell of a prison. Yes, all of these are totally correct. SDAs are taught to hide these from other Christians. SDAs don't like to tell other Christians about these beliefs because they want to be accepted by evangelicals. They want to be accepted because their false prophetess, Ellen White, said that their focus should be on getting other Christians to accept their beliefs, and that in the end times all truely honest Christians will join their sect.

Also, there are other things this article doesn't mention: 1) SDAs believe Satan is the scapegoat of the Day of Atonement, and that in the end Satan makes the final and complete atonement for sins by having our sins placed on him and then being thrown into the lake of fire to be destroyed.

2) SDAs do not believe in the Trinity. They are, like Mormon's, tri-theists. The Christian doctrine is that God is One Being existing eternally as a mutual-indwelling of three hypostasis (often translated as "persons," but not quite the same thing). The SDA "trinity" is Three Beings united in purpose so that they act as if they are one person. A good friend and fellow former SDA maintains a website--Cult or Christian?--that details how the SDA "trinity" differs from the Christian Trinity.

3) Following form #2, SDA's do not believe Jesus was God while on the earth. Ellen White once said Jesus was "not Lord God Almighty" while living on earth. This is horrible blasphemy.

There are many, many more things I could tell you, but time and space don't allow.

76 posted on 04/28/2011 9:05:54 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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