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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
It is rather easy to box an Adventists into a conundrum.

1) Ask them if they believe the New Testament is the word of God as revealed through the apostles
2) Then ask them how they reconcile the scriptures (1 Corinthians 14:34) with a woman keeping silent and their prophetess I have to admit, it is kind of fun to watch the leaps of logic, conjecture and backtracking at that point. And if you really want get them to do dances of logic and back tracking, ask them about Ellen White's FAILED prophecy.

Embarrassing Failed Prophecies

In her early career Mrs. White made a number of predictions about Christ's imminent return. The most notable of those was a specific prediction made at a conference of believers in 1856. This statement was later published in the book Testimonies and received widespread attention within the SDA Church. Mrs. White claimed she was shown in vision that some of those present at the 1856 conference would be translated:

I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131

A Failed Prophecy?

Mrs. White was given a vision showing the fate of those people attending the conference. She specifically states that some of them will suffer the seven last plagues, and some will be alive when Jesus returns. The Whites had such confidence in this "vision" that it was published in Mrs. White's Testimonies to the Church and received widespread distribution. However, by the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.

The Bible leaves no doubt that when a prophet makes a prediction that does not come to pass, that prophet is not speaking for the Lord:

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22

14 posted on 03/02/2011 11:17:29 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

You said:

1) Ask them if they believe the New Testament is the word of God as revealed through the apostles
2) Then ask them how they reconcile the scriptures (1 Corinthians 14:34) with a woman keeping silent

Ahh, so by exploiting people’s goodwill, using slightly clever intellectual misdirection and getting them to agree with an overly broad definition, you then reverse course and attack them for lack of specificity... And then criticize them corporately for intellectual deficiency...

I am so underwhelmed at your dishonesty. Anyone can play that stupid word game with anyone. Only dishonest people do, but then, that was obvious from the start.


17 posted on 03/02/2011 11:41:23 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol

If anyone wants to know what this is actually about...

The letter to the church addresses a cultural clash of the day... One faction culturally, did not allow women to speak in public, and one did. The people who did not allow it were offended greatly at the impudence of the women who spoke up publicly and violated very strict cultural mores.

The apostle (believed to be Paul) was of the opinion that in this clash, one of the sides had to compromise, and for reasons we don’t know, chose the side he did. Perhaps he thought it unwise to try to undo a societal stricture by force, or maybe it was just about who the majority was, we don’t know. Whatever the case, we don’t know if the church followed the advice or not. what we do know is that from reading the account, the instruction given is not a doctrine from Christ, but is, as is much of the the new testament, precisely that... The accounts of the disciples and apostles, concerning the life of Christ and the events shortly following his death.

There is no reason to think that this is anything other than the account of a cultural clash. Certainly, there is no reason to think this is a doctrine.


18 posted on 03/02/2011 11:54:25 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: taxcontrol

I don’t see the contradiction. There were female prophets in the Bible. Some translations of that passage say “wives” instead of “women.”


37 posted on 03/02/2011 9:07:30 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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