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Pope exonerates Jews for Jesus’ death
Yahoo News ^ | 3 March 2011 (really) | By NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 03/02/2011 11:14:14 AM PST by T Minus Four

Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book. In Jesus of Nazareth-Part II excerpts released on Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death. Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews. While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said on Wednesday the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was a landmark statement from a pope that would help fight anti-Semitism today. "Holocaust survivors know only too well how the centuries-long charge of 'Christ killer' against the Jews created a poisonous climate of hate that was the foundation of anti-Semitic persecution whose ultimate expression was realised in the Holocaust," said Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Judaism; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; ecumenismgonewild; galileo; nevermind; pope; sorryaboutthatjews; whoops
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1 posted on 03/02/2011 11:14:17 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four

Hey, that’s mighty white of him! So glad now that we have the Official word of God on the subject!

*snicker, giggle, chortle, etc, etc*


2 posted on 03/02/2011 11:15:38 AM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: T Minus Four

Secular liberals need no excuse for their antisemitism.


3 posted on 03/02/2011 11:16:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: T Minus Four
While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible....

What did the Catholic Church teach prior to that?

4 posted on 03/02/2011 11:17:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: T Minus Four

I guess the church didn’t realize that it was prophesied that Jesus was to die. Went way back to Isaiah to name one.


5 posted on 03/02/2011 11:18:39 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: T Minus Four

Who’s going to break the news to Mel Gibson?


6 posted on 03/02/2011 11:22:51 AM PST by babble-on
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To: ReverendJames

“I guess the church didn’t realize that it was prophesied that Jesus was to die. Went way back to Isaiah to name one.”

And God will keep his promise to the Jews when Jesus Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives at the end of the Tribulation.


7 posted on 03/02/2011 11:22:53 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: T Minus Four
All who seek salvation and forgiveness of sins
participated the the killing of the Lamb of G-d.

Anyone who takes no part in the sacrifice can claim
it's forgivness.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

8 posted on 03/02/2011 11:25:33 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: T Minus Four
OH BS...I guess the scriptures are worthless then. Yes, the Jews did have Him crucified...this in the scripture is called Jewish Fables and we are told to beward of them.

Mat 27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

9 posted on 03/02/2011 11:25:43 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: T Minus Four
All of us are "responsible" for Jesus' death on the cross. He was sent here to do so for our sins.

That being said, it is about time that the Roman Catholic Church corrected this belief that was the justification for so much hatred and abuse through the history of the Christian Church!

10 posted on 03/02/2011 11:25:57 AM PST by Redleg Duke (I DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA!)
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To: SVTCobra03

Yep, and they will weep when they see Him. The church didn’t or doesn’t realize that if Christ Jesus had lived and not died for our sins then what?


11 posted on 03/02/2011 11:26:02 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: T Minus Four

Cold Case Files.


12 posted on 03/02/2011 11:26:02 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: T Minus Four

“Hey Jewish people, you can relax now. Our bad.”


13 posted on 03/02/2011 11:29:07 AM PST by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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To: T Minus Four

And yet the Western World was for 2000 years hearing how a bunch of Italian soldiers from Rome were the ones who lynched him.


14 posted on 03/02/2011 11:29:31 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Redleg Duke

All of us are “responsible” for Jesus’ death on the cross. He was sent here to do so for our sins.”

We are not responsible at all in any intelligible sense, but we are beneficiaries.


15 posted on 03/02/2011 11:30:01 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Alex Murphy
I'd have to look it up, but I do know that my mother and father (who grew up on the 19-teens) were taught that "the sinfulness of mankind" (i.e. everyone) was responsible for the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. The Nicene Creed mentions Pontius Pilate (not Jews) as the controlling legal/political authority, and Lenten preaching always focuses on the transgressions of the human race as the moral/spiritual reason.

I think you'll find plenty of support for that dogma in Roman Catholic theology through the millennia.

16 posted on 03/02/2011 11:30:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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To: T Minus Four

Fine. And I may exonerate the Pope for the murder of a hundreds of thousands of Jews during the Crusades.


17 posted on 03/02/2011 11:35:20 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Redleg Duke
Murderous hatred of Jews has always been a sin, but it has never been a doctrine. ("Look not on our sins, but on the faith of Your Church.") If hatred were a doctrine, it would have started on a fine spring morning in around 33 AD. But it didn't.
18 posted on 03/02/2011 11:35:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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To: pabianice

Personally, I’ve apologized for the Peloponnesian wars, on the modern day premise that we can ask forgiveness for things we had absolutely nothing to do with, but stonewall the world on subjects for which we along bear the guilt.


19 posted on 03/02/2011 11:40:12 AM PST by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: T Minus Four

“Pope exonerates Jews for Jesus’ death “

I suppose next he’ll exonerate Jesus for being Jewish?


20 posted on 03/02/2011 11:41:30 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ReverendJames
The church didn’t or doesn’t realize that if Christ Jesus had lived and not died for our sins then what?

I remember a religious education class where one topic of discussion was "What if the crowd in Jerusalem demanded that Jesus be released instead of Barabbas?"

21 posted on 03/02/2011 11:42:00 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: T Minus Four
How magnanimous of the Pope.
22 posted on 03/02/2011 11:42:57 AM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: T Minus Four

The operative word here is “collectively”.


23 posted on 03/02/2011 11:43:28 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Mrs. Don-o

maybe so but did he run that controlling legal authority stuff by algore?


24 posted on 03/02/2011 11:48:36 AM PST by plain talk
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To: KarlInOhio

It’s interesting that people don’t realize that Jesus was prophesied to die for us. That He had to and He realized He had to, but time and time again we hear of Christians calling Jews Christ killer.


25 posted on 03/02/2011 11:51:40 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: achilles2000
Think about what I said. We are inadvertently the cause.

If you want to split hairs and go absurdly nutso, you can say that it was Eve's fault for listening to the serpent and therefore, we should go Muslim and treat women as lower life forms!

What I was trying to say, but obviously not pure enough for the likes of you, is that Jesus was sent to Earth to die for our sins, to gain forgiveness and eternal life for all who accept him.

The saga of the early Christian Church and their use of the Jewish people as the fall-guy and whipping boy "for killing Jesus Christ" is something that should never have happened and is overdue to end.

26 posted on 03/02/2011 11:52:16 AM PST by Redleg Duke (I DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA!)
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To: T Minus Four

The Pope Exonorates Jews? What pompasity!


27 posted on 03/02/2011 11:52:29 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: T Minus Four

I hate to be a stickler here, but NOBODY killed Jesus. He is the Son of God, and nobody on earth has power over that.

He willingly chose to die for our sins. To say that anyone “killed” Him would infer that they had power over Him.

They did not, and no one of this earth ever will.


28 posted on 03/02/2011 11:52:37 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Alex Murphy
What did the Catholic Church teach prior to that?

That Jews were Christ killers, and that the currently living Jews are responsible for that supposed sin of their ancestors.

We witness truly epochal changes in the position of the Church.

29 posted on 03/02/2011 11:52:37 AM PST by TopQuark
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Well I was taught the Jews killed Jesus ... but all this proves is the pope does not read his bible and he would know who killed Jesus

Act 2:22 ¶ Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

30 posted on 03/02/2011 11:53:35 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: T Minus Four

Jesus was a Jew. So good greif, now what.


31 posted on 03/02/2011 11:55:28 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Redleg Duke; Alex Murphy; Mrs. Don-o
That being said, it is about time that the Roman Catholic Church corrected this belief that was the justification for so much hatred and abuse through the history of the Christian Church!

There was never any official teaching about collective guilt of Jews, although the odd Father of the Church may perhaps be cited as promoting it. Vatican II's "Nostra Aetate" was the relevant clarification, back in the 1960s, that not all Jews then, nor all Jews now, are responsible for the death of Christ. There is also plenty of teaching from throughout the centuries that the sins of mankind generally are what put Christ to death. Pope Benedict says nothing new here.

32 posted on 03/02/2011 11:55:41 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: T Minus Four

And this comes from the same religion that once said if you ate meat on Friday, you would burn in Hell.


33 posted on 03/02/2011 11:56:00 AM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: T Minus Four

Whoa!!!

Someone better get to heaven quickly and let Zechariah
know he wrote down a false prophecy about the grief and sorrow Jews will have as Christ is revealed in the end...

Guess this won’t be necessary any more...

“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.” - Zech 12:10

Or maybe not. Maybe the whole Pope statement was human hubris. “Who can forgive sins, but God alone?” - Jesus


34 posted on 03/02/2011 11:58:22 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (.)
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To: RnMomof7

Some individual Jews at the time did conspire to condemn Jesus. As Nostra Aetate said, however, not all Jews then, nor all Jews now, are responsible for his death, so collective guilt of all Jews cannot be held to be Catholic belief.


35 posted on 03/02/2011 11:58:25 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: TopQuark
That Jews were Christ killers, and that the currently living Jews are responsible for that supposed sin of their ancestors.

Some fathers of the Church may have taught something like that, but it was not magisterial teaching.

36 posted on 03/02/2011 12:01:10 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: T Minus Four

Jesus died for us. But then there was the stoning of St. Stephen. I don’t know who was responsible for the death of all the apostles, except Judas and John.


37 posted on 03/02/2011 12:02:45 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: KarlInOhio
"... I remember a religious education class where one topic of discussion was "What if the crowd in Jerusalem demanded that Jesus be released instead of Barabbas?"

Then the historians who wrote the Christian bible hundreds of years after Jesus' death would have never heard of him and instead been minor unmentioned scholars in the footnotes of Classical history.

Today the Western world might be going through it's post-Celtic polytheistic period, though religious fanatics on FR would be posting appeals for all of us to sacrifice a lamb and three white pigeons before the next coming Beltaine festival or our rye crop shall be withered in the field and we'll have invited the wrath of any number of Celtic deities.

38 posted on 03/02/2011 12:02:52 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Unam Sanctam

absolutely! Jesus himself said it was the Jews who turned him over to Pilate that were most responsible for his death.


39 posted on 03/02/2011 12:04:53 PM PST by circlecity
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To: bimboeruption

Well, say, what did Calvin or Zwingli or Luther say about the Jews being responsible for Christ’s death? Do you know?

And how old is the Nicene Creed? I think it comes from around 381 AD, and it doesn’t say ANYTHING about the Jews killing Christ Jesus.


40 posted on 03/02/2011 12:05:58 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: plain talk
You mean the Roamin' Emperor? ;>P
41 posted on 03/02/2011 12:06:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Half the lies they tell about me ain't true." - Yogi Berra)
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To: T Minus Four

Well that’s mighty neighborly of him!


42 posted on 03/02/2011 12:07:39 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry ("I've got tiger blood and Adonis DNA!")
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To: Unam Sanctam
"... Vatican II's "Nostra Aetate" was the relevant clarification, back in the 1960s, that not all Jews then, nor all Jews now, are responsible for the death of Christ."

You mean to say that it's still in Catholic doctrine to believe that at least some Jews today are responsible for the death of Jesus?

The Vatican police department should file murder charges against those Jews if they still believe that. I'd like to counter sue the Catholic church on bringing false charges.

43 posted on 03/02/2011 12:09:50 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: SJackson; Hildy; Yaelle; Cinnamon Girl; Borges

ping


44 posted on 03/02/2011 12:10:03 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: svcw

>>>How magnanimous of the Pope

I was thinking the same thing. It was a very close verdict that could have gone either way, but we are relieved that the Jews were found to be innocent. Perhaps we should meet up with Jewish freepers over the weekend, and have a big celebration. I volunteer to buy the drinks. /s


45 posted on 03/02/2011 12:12:12 PM PST by pinochet
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To: Peter from Rutland

Grow up. The Pope, as well as everybody else, knows the Jews as a whole weren’t “responsible” for this (the Romans actually did it, although the Jewish priests agitated for it), and this is just a formal statement to make sure that this charge, the blood libel, cannot be levied with any semblance of formal approval from anywhere.

People who are ignorant of European history (or just plain ignorant) probably don’t understand the signifance of this, however.

Why don’t you go after the Muslims, whose scriptures include specific instructions on how to find and kill Jews? Maybe some ayatollah will come out and say it was all a mistake? Tell me when that happens. Snicker.


47 posted on 03/02/2011 12:14:36 PM PST by livius
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To: RnMomof7
It's not a question of "Who killed Jesus" in 33 AD. It is clear from Scripture that the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Herodians, the Romans, and his own Apostles all had a hand in conspiring against, betraying, deserting, judging, and executing Him.

The question was: did all the Jews of His day, or all the Jews of succeeding ages, share a collective guilt for this murder/deicide? --- and the answer is "No."

Particular men, Judas and Caiaphas and Pontius Pilate and the guys with flails and hammers in their hand,s Jewish and Roman, had particular responsibility for a false judicial judgment, torture and a murderous execution.

In the larger moral sense, the sins which nailed Him to the Cross where yours and mine.

But you knew this.

48 posted on 03/02/2011 12:15:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Half the lies they tell about me ain't true." - Yogi Berra)
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To: TopQuark; Alex Murphy
That Jews were Christ killers, and that the currently living Jews are responsible for that supposed sin of their ancestors.

Don’t get too excited. There is still a portion of the “evangelical” church that looks forward to future divine wrath against Jewish people after the Church is safely out of the way.

49 posted on 03/02/2011 12:16:55 PM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: TopQuark
That Jews were Christ killers, and that the currently living Jews are responsible for that supposed sin of their ancestors.

The church as a whole never taught that. Some church fathers and others did.

50 posted on 03/02/2011 12:19:28 PM PST by Campion
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