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Catholic Conference Testifies Against Immigration Bill
The Georgia Bulletin ^ | March 3, 2011 | GRETCHEN KEISER

Posted on 03/03/2011 7:50:01 AM PST by Alex Murphy

ATLANTA—Legislation that proposes new penalties for employing illegal immigrants, possessing fraudulent identification and for transporting or “harboring” illegal immigrants will be debated in the full Georgia House of Representatives. The legislation also proposes giving law enforcement officers in the state the power to enforce federal immigration laws in certain circumstances and requires employers to use a federal verification system before hiring.

House Bill 87, the “Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011,” sponsored by Rep. Matt Ramsey (R-Peachtree City), was favorably voted out of a House judicial committee Feb. 28.

In the first half of the legislative session, the bill has been in committee where it has been debated and to some extent revised.

Among those taking a position on the bill is the Georgia Farm Bureau, which has opposed the legislation because of the impact on the state’s largest industry, agriculture. Farmers say they have difficulty already finding enough agricultural workers and the verification that would be required would be insurmountable.

Frank Mulcahy, executive director of the Georgia Catholic Conference, testified against the bill in committee because of its impact on Catholic Church ministries. Earlier provisions would have put individuals at risk of being arrested if they transported people found to be in the country illegally. Mulcahy said the impact on many church ministries, from driving youth to a confirmation retreat, taking a soccer team to a game or taking a sick person from a homeless shelter to a hospital, would be devastating and criminalize acts of charity.

While that provision has been re-worded in the version sent to the full House, the Catholic Conference is still opposing the legislation, Mulcahy said Feb. 28.

He wrote, “As recommended by the House Judiciary (non-civil) committee, HB 87 creates the risk of criminal prosecution against churches and social welfare organizations by prohibiting any person from ‘harboring’ any person present in the United States in violation of federal immigration law.”

“‘Harboring’ is broadly defined as ‘any conduct that tends to substantially help an illegal alien remain in the United States in violation of federal law.’ (This) could include many services provided by churches and social service agencies, such as women’s shelters, homeless shelters, retreat house, clinics and the like. The offense of ‘transporting or moving an illegal alien’ creates a similar risk,” he wrote.

Other concerns about the bill cited by the Georgia Catholic Conference include that it criminalizes actions that tend to help undocumented immigrants, criminalizes transporting undocumented immigrants, requires law enforcement officers to verify the immigration status of anyone stopped for a criminal violation, which would include a traffic violation, and creates new documentation requirements for persons seeking public benefits with no exception for pregnant women or unborn children.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics
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Legislation that proposes new penalties for employing illegal immigrants, possessing fraudulent identification and for transporting or “harboring” illegal immigrants will be debated in the full Georgia House of Representatives. The legislation also proposes giving law enforcement officers in the state the power to enforce federal immigration laws in certain circumstances and requires employers to use a federal verification system before hiring....

....Frank Mulcahy, executive director of the Georgia Catholic Conference, testified against the bill in committee because of its impact on Catholic Church ministries. Earlier provisions would have put individuals at risk of being arrested if they transported people found to be in the country illegally. Mulcahy said the impact on many church ministries, from driving youth to a confirmation retreat, taking a soccer team to a game or taking a sick person from a homeless shelter to a hospital, would be devastating and criminalize acts of charity....

....“As recommended by the House Judiciary (non-civil) committee, HB 87 creates the risk of criminal prosecution against churches and social welfare organizations by prohibiting any person from ‘harboring’ any person present in the United States in violation of federal immigration law.”

1 posted on 03/03/2011 7:50:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

......
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=8982


2 posted on 03/03/2011 7:57:25 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Ev Reeman

I have come to ignore my Church, more and more, on political or economic issues.

On Faith, I think the Catholic Church is closer to the truth than the rest.

However, the Eastern Orthodox do not embarrass me as much. How many Catholics switch due to the idiocy of the Church’s liberal politics?


3 posted on 03/03/2011 8:19:34 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

Idiot bishops don’t reflect on the Church as a whole.


4 posted on 03/03/2011 8:36:49 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Alex Murphy

On a related note:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614856/posts


5 posted on 03/03/2011 8:49:17 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon
On a related note

Some related threads:
Defeat of DREAM Act only a temporary setback, says Archbishop Gomez
CSF interview: Father Moises Agudo [on illegal latinos entering Catholic seminaries & schools]
Vatican official steps down after stirring debate on French immigration policy
President's immigration reform speech a good sign,says US Conference Catholic Bishops migration dir
Curia archbishop addresses illegal immigration [solutions "other than" sanctions, border closures]
New L.A. Archbishop...Discusses Immigration & Hispanics In Church
Solving illegal immigration requires fixing economic causes, stresses Bishop Wester
Immigration Integration [Catholic Bishops Advocate for Humane Treatment of Illegal Immigrants]
Vatican official prods US on immigration reform
Archbishop Wenski of Florida urges Catholics to act up
Catholic bishop calls for new thinking on illegal immigration
How to Train Catholic Citizens to Elect Morally-Perverted Catholic Politicians
Some Church Leaders Are Wrong On Immigration
Toning Down the Immigration Debate among Catholics (Lots of Interesting Comments)
Bishop Slattery calls for secure borders, immigration reform [Tulsa, OK]
Immigration, Politics, and the Church (Ecumenic)
Cardinal: Catholics are key to achieving immigration reform [ or stopping it ]
US Catholic Latino leaders meet with Vatican officials, discuss ‘Hispanic reality’
Welcome the Stranger (Catholic theology & Church history against illegals)
Arizona immigration law shows need for reform, Archbishop Chaput writes
Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration
Mahony blesses L.A.'s rally [pro-(illegal)immigration rally]
Jose Gomez (future LA Archbishop), champion of illegal immigrants [2005 post]
Catholic Money and Tax Dollars Finance Illegal Alien Rally
Cardinal Mahony speaks on illegal immigration
Catholic Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion
Archbishop Timothy Dolan: Immigration Reform. Here We Go Again
US Catholic Bishops Opposition To Arizona Immigration Law Leaves Many Unanswered Questions
USCCB OPPOSE ARIZONA LAW
US Catholic church attacks 'draconian' Arizona law
Pope Benedict urges bishops to work for recognition of immigrant rights
Arizona's Proposed Illegal Immigration Crackdown Akin To Nazi Tactics, Cardinal Roger Mahony Says
Hispanics increasing Catholic numbers in US, but assimilation has downside
Fewer receive sacraments
Does the American Catholic Church Have a Numbers Problem?
Denver Archbishop Supports Tuition Equity [Chaput favors extending in-state tuition to illegals]
US Catholic bishops condemn US immigration raids
Gathering calls for 'fair and humane' immigration policies [Catholic Bishops on immigration reform]
Journey to Justice: A Catholic Vision of Immigration
Catholic Church Chooses Wrong Side Again
Survey: Catholics Adapt to Culture at Cost of Committed Faith
GOP Senator: Immigration Bill's Fate Hangs in the Balance [SBC, Catholic Church support the bill]
Recognize Christ in every immigrant, bishop urges U.S. Catholics
Local Catholics celebrate diversity [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Apple Valley, CA]
Putting faith in search for rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Chicago, IL]
Praying for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Los Angeles, CA]
Irish, Latino Catholics march for immigrant rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in San Francisco]
Catholics push for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Raleigh, NC]
Catholic bishop calls deportation policies immoral
Withholding their 'amens' [Catholics object to a call for a revised immigration policy at Lent]
Denver Archdiocese Reacts To ICE Raid

6 posted on 03/03/2011 8:53:09 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

The pope overrules idiot bishops.

Plus, I find it disturbing that you keep such a collection of articles on hand like this.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 9:00:51 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Alex Murphy

“And yet, it was just yesterday that you were saying you were thankful that wikipedia keeps long lists of strange fetishes.”

Hey, what can I say? I’m kinky like that :)

But really, if I’m going to look up what a fetish is, its good to do it on wikipedia, instead of googling it, so I don’t get dirty results.


9 posted on 03/03/2011 9:22:14 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Alex Murphy

Also, I thought we weren’t supposed to bring arguments from thread to thread.

But if we can, weren’t you the one to post a song about Jesus’s foreskin?


10 posted on 03/03/2011 9:23:49 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon
....weren’t you the one to post a song about Jesus’s foreskin?

Do you mean the Holy Prepuce? The Catholic Church displayed no fewer than fourteen Holy Prepuces as objects of veneration during the Middle Ages, and a fifteeth was claimed to have been received by Catherine of Sienna as a wedding ring.

You probably knew all that already. But what would you know about any songs that I've posted, when you joined a brief eleven days ago?

11 posted on 03/03/2011 9:40:43 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

“Do you mean the Holy Prepuce? The Catholic Church displayed no fewer than fourteen Holy Prepuces as objects of veneration during the Middle Ages, and a fifteeth was claimed to have been received by Catherine of Sienna as a wedding ring.”

Yes, I’m not denying that it’s weird. However, there is still the need to distinguish between idiots in the Church and the Catholic Church.

“You probably knew all that already. But what would you know about any songs that I’ve posted, when you joined a brief eleven days ago?”

I was looking at some religious forum threads, and with a few links, I found a thread where you mentioned and linked back to your song. The song was deleted by the moderator, but just judging by people’s reactions, it didn’t seem like something good, and you seemed quite proud of it.


12 posted on 03/03/2011 9:48:36 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

We can always rely on Alex for a Catholic scandal or slight we never heard of to be posted.


13 posted on 03/03/2011 10:00:48 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: WPaCon; Alex Murphy
Plus, I find it disturbing that you keep such a collection of articles on hand like this.

There are so few Presbyterians and so few articles about them, what else can he collect? Although, you do have to admit his collection is pretty lopsided regarding what type of article about Catholics is collected.

There's another Calvinists here who collects posts Catholics have made and tries to attribute them as teachings of the Church.

14 posted on 03/03/2011 10:08:51 AM PST by Titanites
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To: johngrace; Titanites; Alex Murphy

Do any of you have links to the most “official” Catholic opinion on the subject? If I recall correctly, it is something that conservatives would agree with, or there really is no “official” opinion.

I have to give my hat off to Alex, though: I vote him for most effective anti-Catholic on Free Republic. Unlike other anti-Catholics, he is actually sane and rational, so he can convince unsuspecting people that the Church is evil, liberal, and un-American.


15 posted on 03/03/2011 10:20:30 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Titanites; WPaCon; Alex Murphy
Alex you remind me of a friend I worked with in NY. As you may know in that City there are two Baseball teams. The Mets and Yankees. The Mets fans hated the Yankees. The Yankee fans hated the Mets.

My friend a Yankee fan would walk into work how he would cheer against the Mets by cheering for any team they played on tv. He would even avoid the Grand Central Parkway which is next to the Mets stadium even if it would take him longer to get home. All because it was near what he hated.

We all would tell him thats not normal. Well, I pray for you. Something is not right with these list of posts. It's not healthy.

16 posted on 03/03/2011 10:34:03 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace
Something is not right with these list of posts. It's not healthy.

The spirit that guides such efforts is pleased.

17 posted on 03/03/2011 10:39:53 AM PST by Titanites
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To: johngrace; Titanites; Alex Murphy

I might try to stretch that analogy with this:

Your Yankee friend was wasting his time on the Mets when he should have been focusing on the Yankee’s biggest enemy- the Red Sox.

Alex, instead of wasting time fighting Catholicism, should spend more time focusing on Christianity’s biggest enemies- Islam, postmodern secularism, and communist totalitarianism.


18 posted on 03/03/2011 10:42:22 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Kansas58; WPaCon
Actually, Kansas, the problem is that the Vatican has horrible PR.

This is what they actually say:

Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism

Peter Cardinal Turkson, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has a message for Catholics in America, particularly those involved in social justice ministry, that could put a damper on the political machinations of the Shadow Party.

The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.” This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching on hot-button issues involving massive government entitlement programs and other forms of overreach. If nothing else, it will almost certainly jump-start the “social justice” debate among Catholics.

It would be useful if we just observed our sense of justice as our ability to fulfill the demands of the relationships in which we stand.

This is in contrast to socialism, he explained, which is an ideology in which private property and private interests are totally placed in the service of government policies. What the Pope proposes in ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ said Cardinal Turkson, is ‘achieving the common good without sacrificing personal, private interests, aspirations and desires.’

Cardinal Turkson said the Council was also surprised that the Pope’s concept of the ‘gift,’ was perceived in some circles as encouraging government welfare handouts. In ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ Pope Benedict described the concept of “gift” as a way to understand God’s love for men and women in his gift of life and his gift of Jesus.

Whether he intended to or not, Cardinal Turkson has now echoed what many conservative Catholics in America have been calling for repeatedly — subsidiarity in economic policy. More importantly, the Cardinal observes the heart of the matter in noting that a ‘handout’ and a ‘gift’ are not at all the same, with the latter being more in keeping with the Gospel message.

One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.
You may remember that Pope John Paul II worked closely with President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to bring down communism in the Soviet Union and Marxist governments in Latin America. With the worldwide Left now in such kinship with Islam, and with no modern-day Reagan or Thatcher in sight, Pope Benedict XVI certainly has his work cut out for him. If they recognize that America has become polarized, perhaps America’s Catholic bishops will bite the bullet and commit themselves to following in the footsteps of the just-beatified Pope John Paul II…to morally undermine the Left as he morally undermined the Soviet Union
19 posted on 03/03/2011 1:10:23 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos

Subsidiarity is an excellent concept.

I WISH that the Church would make sure every Priest and Bishop knew what Subsidiarity MEANT!


20 posted on 03/03/2011 4:30:38 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
possibly many may not -- others may WILLFULLY not wish to know. It's our duty as laity to kick this into their heads. I've taken a cue from the Orthodox and write to priest's superiors, bishops, all the way up if I see them stepping away from Church teachings.

It's our job to kick this out of line priests and tell them -- what the **** are you talking about social justice? This is what the Pope himself has said (and quote the article) -- you want to say the opposite? If not, then change your tune.

The Church is us, we are in obedience to Church teachings, not to some man. The bishops are shepherds who must follow Church teachings -- if they do stick to the doctrines and are obedient, we are to be humble and obedient too, but if they veer from Church teachings, its our job to wack them back in line. It's good for their souls too!

21 posted on 03/03/2011 9:22:32 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Religion Moderator; Alex Murphy; WPaCon; MarkBsnr
RM -- you said that "Do not spread arguments from one thread to another. Engage the argument on the original thread unless the issues are raised anew on the current thread. "

These links do just that and by this rule this post should not be allowed. Note that these are both spreading arguments from one thread to another and also in in cases (like "how to train ...") are not relevant to the issue of the thread at all.

22 posted on 03/04/2011 7:04:29 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Salvation
No dice. Alex Murphy's is a list of links to ARTICLES not reply posts. Salvation also posts lists of links to articles.

The guideline applies to disputes between individual Freepers, past flame wars - bringing them forward to a new thread is flame baiting, trouble making.

23 posted on 03/04/2011 7:09:03 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy

The heads of any church that harbors or aids illegls in amy way belong in prison!


24 posted on 03/04/2011 7:11:59 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Cronos
Maybe it's because Murph's arguments are so weak they don't count? Like the internet equivelent of a height requirement in front of a roller coaster: "your argument must make at least this much sense for any one to care about it..."
25 posted on 03/04/2011 7:12:45 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Kansas58
re:the Eastern Orthodox do not embarrass me as much. How many Catholics switch due to the idiocy of the Church’s liberal politics?

They "switch" because they lost the faith. No different than the liberal Catholics who say they leave the Church "because the church is too dogmatic". A Catholic who leaves the Church to join the Orthodox or the Protestant, and dies separated, will perish to hell for all eternity. This is no game!

I have never had anything to do with these progressivists Catholic bishops, I go to an SSPX Chapel. Other like minded Catholics go to other traditional mass centers like FSSP, ICK, or support "the indult" mass diocene priest and avoid their bishops like the plague. God provides for those who seek.

A Catholic becoming an Eastern Orthodox "because of liberal Catholic bishops", is like jumping from the pan into the fire, LITERALLY! Americans are more easily fooled by the Eastern Orthodox, since they have far better liturgy than the Novus Ordo Mass (which is a joke as commonly seen). This is a big mistake. They are just as dangerous as the Protestants, but even more today, because they APPEAR as an alternative.

Rat poison is 99% nutritious, it's the 1% that will kill you. If it was NOT in every way: sight, smell, taste, the same as good food, no one would eat eat. The more something appears as the real thing, the more dangerous it is.

27 posted on 03/04/2011 7:17:58 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Religion Moderator

Would you be so kind as to remove my posting #26.

Thank you , and God Bless


28 posted on 03/04/2011 7:19:17 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Religion Moderator

ok. thanks


29 posted on 03/04/2011 7:27:35 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: WPaCon; Alex Murphy

“I have to give my hat off to Alex, though: I vote him for most effective anti-Catholic on Free Republic. Unlike other anti-Catholics, he is actually sane and rational, so he can convince unsuspecting people that the Church is evil, liberal, and un-American.”

Some of the most intense hate is subtle. If people are persuaded by untruths that they don’t even take the time to get educated on....then they are already persuaded by their hearts.

You would be surprised how many private emails I get from Protestants, apologizing for the obnoxious behavior of some of the Anti Catholics on FR. Quite a few btw, believe that Pope Benedict is a holy man and respect his emphasis on Scripture.

“Don’t let your heart be troubled”...the bigots lose in the long run with their tactics.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 7:30:08 AM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: rbmillerjr

That is very true. I think that the anti-Catholics in no way represent the majority of Protestantism, and in fact, I’m not so sure most of them are even Protestant. If I was Protestant, like the people who freepmail you, I would also be very embarrassed by their behavior.


31 posted on 03/04/2011 10:15:28 AM PST by WPaCon
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