We have a pretty good idea what Jesus looked like

vanity ^ | 3-4-11 | Dangus

[dangus]

How come no-one ever wonders why, if King James were sincere about destroying all the Catholic artwork, he left intact all the statues of his royal family.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Er, no.

Jesus wasn’t a Nazirite. He was the Branch (netser), which is the play on words Matthew is employing.

[Rippin]

Are you saying the 10 commandments don’t apply? What part of ‘no images’ didn’t God understand?

[LearsFool]

You better go look at your commandments again. I think there's one in there about bearing false witness or something like that.

My apologies. Apparently I misread your "of course not" in post #28 to mean "of course I have so such commandment."

I have no desire to misrepresent you. Either you have such a command of God or you don't. I'd like to know which it is.

If you have such a command of God, please, show it to us and bring a swift and merciful end to the entire debate.

[StolarStorm]

silliness. Your arguments and complaints are completely unimportant when put against the rest of Christ’s messages.

[massgopguy]

They look Italian because the models De Vinci used were Italian. That’s why I laugh at people who use the painting of The Last Supper to prove Mary Magdalen was there. De Vinci could have had Comicus holding the brass platter behind Jesus like Mel Brooks did and they’d still try to debunk Jesus based on a painting by a guy who wasn’t there.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

I'm certainly not going to advocate we decorate the place up just because you look down your nose at our "civic center" plainness.

I was voicing an opinion, much like yourself.

If God is displeased with plainness, point to His command to decorate.

Again, you're avoiding a previous post that asked: (I'm paraphrasing) If it's not explicitly listed in the bible, is it forbidden?

[justice14]

“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.”

Seems like you are forgetting verse 5. You can take any segment of verse and make it say what you want. That is very dangerous. It is always important to include whole paragraphs, whole thoughts.

[Joe 6-pack]

"My apologies. Apparently I misread your "of course not" in post #28 to mean "of course I have so such commandment."

No, I meant it as "of course not," to your postulate that I had not received such a commandment. I do think it's highly instructive as to your, my, and indeed all of our abilities to interpret things differently. Which is why I asked for your definition of "graven image" (or whichever translation of the Bible you prefer, false idols, etc.)

What does that commandment mean to you? Does it mean no anthropomorphic representations whatsoever? Does it mean no naturalistic representations of anything whatsoever? Or does it simply mean no graphic representations of God whatsoever?

...Or does it mean something entirely different to you? Please give me your interpretation so we can more fully discuss...

[LearsFool]

Say what Christian example exists for this stuff?...

I suggest you pose that question to the straw man you manufactured.

[LearsFool]

Your arguments and complaints are completely unimportant...

Well then you need not reply further.

[dangus]

>> Jesus wasn’t a Nazirite. << I didn't SAY he was a Nazarite. I said he would be CALLED a Nazarite. Even if we don't use the evidence of Matthew 2, he still is obviously compared to John the Baptist, he still atones for other sins, and that still negates the objections of those who cite 1 Cor, so the basics hold up.

>> He was the Branch (netser), which is the play on words Matthew is employing. <<

Not buying it. However, I did find something cool about natsar in looking up your assertion. One source says that it means "watcher," which has cool associations with the Book of Enoch... I'm checking into it.

[Hoodat]

(Nice tagline, btw)

[RummyChick]

Apparently, being a child prodigy and talking with God is not enough...Akaine needs a make up line as well.
There is an interesting story where her family claims she actually physically disappeared and reappeared in a room . She had gone to have a conference with God.

[Oldpuppymax]

Jesus was about 6’2”, 195lbs. No little dweeb was going to get away with chasing the “money lenders” from the temple. The average 5’4” guy of the era would have taken one look at Jesus and said “YES SIR...I’ll LEAVE RIGHT AWAY.”

[LearsFool]

I was voicing an opinion, much like yourself.

Opinion?? What do our opinions matter? God does not subject Himself to our opinions.

If it's not explicitly listed in the bible, is it forbidden?

This I know for certain: If God commands it, we are to do it. I believe Dangus knows this as well, and is why he cited God's command to Moses in the wilderness.

Perhaps God has given us a similar command. Several in this debate behave as though they have such a command, yet they refuse to produce it.

Perhaps you have such a command? If you do, it would certainly clear up any doubt as to God's approval of this practice.

Or perhaps you have some other indication that God wants us to make images of His Son? That would help as well.

Whatever you have that indicates this is what God wants, please, share it with those of us who are ignorant, so that we too can know what God wants of us.

[dangus]

>> I suggest you pose that question to the straw man you manufactured. <<

Well, it just seems funny the way these Southern Protestant Fundamentalists get so worked up about declaring Catholic icons to be idolatry, even though their purpose is to bring one’s will into accord with God’s, but have no problem with statues of warriors like Robert E Lee, or the very iconoclasts who wiped out European folk history, like King James, or Jean Calvin.

If the issue is that making an image is idolatry, are you seriously going to tell me you don’t have photographs of your kids? That your computer desktop is a purely abstract image? That you replace all the ICONS on your computer? That you never watch TV? That you didn’t see any of the pictures I posted because you’ve set your web browser to download only alt tags, not images?

[LearsFool]

No, I meant it as "of course not," to your postulate that I had not received such a commandment.

Thank you clearing that up.

Let me ask again: Either you have such a command of God or you don't. I'd like to know which it is.

[StolarStorm]

Unfortunately, I believe your suspicions will be correct. Down the road this child of atheists will declare it was all a fraud to demonstrate what fools believers are.

Her story just doesn't pass the smell test. I can't imagine that someone who actually "visited" heaven would use those visits to gain great wealth. We are not required to be poor, but using God to become rich is slimy.

[LearsFool]

Seems like you are forgetting verse 5. You can take any segment of verse and make it say what you want. That is very dangerous. It is always important to include whole paragraphs, whole thoughts.

Indeed.

You seem quite knowledgeable, so let me pose the question to you: Do you know of any command of God to Christians to draw/paint/sculpt/display images of Jesus?