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Saints Alive in Jesus ^ | Ed Decker

Posted on 03/08/2011 7:02:46 AM PST by delacoert

I am sure you have seen the rash of ads For the Mormon Church in Reader's Digest and in TV Guide. Coupled with their very effective "Family" Public Service spots on TV, the Mormons are blitzing the nation with "name familiarity". A Mormon source indicated a few years ago that between the free PSA TV ads, their paid regional Newspaper inserts and National Magazine advertising, they utilized over $100,000,000.00 in advertising costs to get multiple messages of their faith into every American home.

This would be exciting, earth shaking news if that message was one of true Christian substance, but sadly, that is unfortunately not the case. In order to understand Mormonism from the historic Christian perspective, we have to step beyond the highly professional facade that is presented to us in the LDS ads. They show us only what the Mormon Church wants us to see, a caring, sensitive church with Christ centered families, all working together for the furthering of Christ's work on earth.

Some of it is true! These are committed, loving people and they are NOT the enemies of Christ. They think they serve Him and his final message of end times restoration. They are not our enemies either, but victims of a deception as clever as any heresy thrown at the world since the days of Adam.

Yes, it all looks great, but what is behind that Madison Avenue image? Is something really wrong with Mormonism? Let me peel back the veneer and look at just a few quick key issues.

The major heresy of Mormonism is summed up in its central theological axiom, the doctrine of The Law of Eternal Progression. It is stated as follows: As Man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become."

Basically, it says that the god of Mormonism was once a man who was born to human parents on another planet, grew to manhood, lived out his life being obedient to the laws and ordinances of the gospel presented by the god of that world. Upon his death and resurrection, he was judged (by his god) as being worthy for godhood.

The Mormon god was raised to his godhood and sent with many goddess wives to a planet near the great star, Kolob, somewhere in our present galaxy. There, this god and his wives began ‘procreating' or physically begetting "spirit" children. We here on this planet are each an offspring of this god and one of his goddesses in this pre-existent Mormon world.

Amazing? Yes, it is! But even more disparate is the position of Christ in all this. Mormonism teaches that when their god decided it was time to populate this earth with his spirit children, the Head of All The Gods called a great council meeting to decide the method. The Mormon god asked his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer, to both prepare plans for presentation to the council. They chose the plan of Jesus.

Lucifer rebelled and led one-third of the "children" to revolt against god and in a great battle, was defeated by Christ and the two-thirds who were "valiant." Lucifer and those who fought with him were cast to earth without bodies and became the devil and his demons. Those others who were less than valiant became the black race and the very valiant became the "white and delightsome" race.

Mormonism teaches that if Mormons are faithful, pay their tithing, obey all the laws and ordinances of the (Mormon) gospel, do their genealogy and go to the temple for secret, sacred rituals for both the living and their dead, they too can become gods and goddesses as "all gods have done before them."

To the Mormon, Jesus was our elder brother, who pointed the way, but isn't The Way, as we Christians understand. To the Mormon, Jesus was the god of the Old Testament, but once he took his physical form, justified his own spiritual salvation through his works while in the flesh, just as each of us must.

Mormonism teaches that Jesus suffered for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane, providing personal salvation, or physical resurrection, which may mean exaltation to godhood  conditional upon our obedience to the laws and ordinances of the LDS gospel. His death on the cross provided a general salvation, whereby all mankind is resurrected to be judged for our works.

He is the LDS savior in the sense that his death gives the Mormon the means ofreturning to the god of this world, using the secret keys, hand grips and passwords learned only in the Mormon temple, that will ensure safe passage.

What I have just shared is just the tip of a dark and dangerous iceberg, filled with death for its unsuspecting victims. Proverbs 14:12 says, "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Were the scriptures ever more direct in such a matter?

The Mormon people are like those of whom Paul spoke in Romans 10, "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God... is that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal for God, but not according to Knowledge. For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

There is a real zeal to serve God manifest in the lives and actions of the Mormon people. It is my prayer that you will have the opportunity to share that true joy of Christ’s righteousness and love with your Mormon friends and loved ones! Let them know that there is only one God and He is not one born of man, One savior and He took all the laws and ordinances that were against us and moved them out of the way, nailing them to His Cross (Col2:13-15).

The following is information that is not available to the general public. We feel you deserve to know the facts about the true doctrine of the Mormon Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

We, as Christian Ex-Mormons, love the Mormon people! They are our people. It is our only motive for publishing this. We realize that many Mormons see this as an "attack" on their church.

The Mormons will say, "Why are you persecuting us?" We are not! We are only quoting their own "divinely inspired" leaders from books published by the church and sold in their bookstores. We are also quoting the Bible. We invite you to check out each quotation in its full context. If these kinds of sources are "anti-Mormon," then "so be it."

We feel you deserve to know the truth... Mormonism is far from Christian Orthodoxy. It is a dangerous counterfeit!


"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it....In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." Joseph Smith, (Founder and First Prophet), History of the Church, Vol 6, pp. 308,474.

THE BIBLE:  There was and is and always will be only ONE GOD! (Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:6-8, 45:5-6,18-22; Deuteronomy 6:4, 32:39; James 2:19)


"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man...He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth." Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 305.

THE BIBLE:  God was never a man. He created man! God has been God from all eternity to all eternity. (Psalm 41:13, 90:2, 102:25-27; Romans 1:22-23)


"The universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain him as such...if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or "sense of justice" of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the "power" of God would disintegrate. He would cease to be God." W. Cleon Skousen (Former BYU Professor & founder of Mormon-based National Center For Constitutional Studies), The First 2000 Years, p. 355.

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans," Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22.

"If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions, and therefore of limited extension and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits." James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, page 43.

THE BIBLE: God is infinite! Any other "god" is a false god (2 Chronicles 6:18; Psalm 139:4-8; Jeremiah 23:24)


"Here then is eternal know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you...To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God." Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 306.

THE BIBLE: The Great Lie of Satan from the first was that man can become a god! (Genesis 3:1-5; Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:1-10)


"In the heaven where our spirits were born, there are many Gods, each of whom has his own wife or wives, which were given to him ...while yet in his mortal state." Orson Pratt (Apostle), The Seer, p. 37.

"This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in all plainness by the First Presidency of the Church." Bruce R. McConkie (Apostle), Mormon Doctrine, p. 516.

THE BIBLE: Absolutely no mention of any "wives" of God! (Matthew 22:29,30)


"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers...Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 547, 742.

THE BIBLE:  Jesus was begotten by the Holy Ghost. Mary was indeed a virgin right up to the Lord's birth. (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:35)


"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.

THE BIBLE: The real JESUS is the only begotten Son and is God the Son (John 1:1-14). Satan was a created angel, not a son of God (Isaiah 14:12). Jesus created all things and in Him the fullness of God dwells! (Colossians 1:15-20; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 1:1-13)


"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married...whereby he could see his seed." Orson Hyde, Apostle, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 82.

THE BIBLE:  NO! Check out John 2:1-12! This LDS doctrine is not openly taught today. However, since marriage in a LDS temple is mandatory to progress to become a god in Mormonism, to fit the theology of Mormonism the LDS "Jesus" has to be married. Otherwise, He would only be a ministering servant to those in Mormonism's heaven who have "celestial marriage."


"Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors. Many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of which error and falsehood poured into the churches. One of the great heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82,83.

THE BIBLE: The Bible says of itself that God's Word therein will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8; I Peter 1:25). Ask the Mormon to show you exactly where the errors exist. Most of these doctrines added by Mormonism are not in the Book of Mormon either (said to contain the "fullness of the everlasting gospel")!


"I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; and those professors were all corrupt." Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:19.

"This Church is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth." Doctrine and Covenants 1:30. "There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.

"All other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who receives Baptism or the Lord's Supper from their hands will highly offend God; for He looks upon them as the most corrupt of all people. Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon." Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255.

THE BIBLE: The CHURCH is the spiritual body of Christians with Jesus at its head. That is the true church, not an organization! (Ephesians 1:22-23, 4:11-16; I Corinthians 1:2, 12:12; Matthew 16:18).


"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp.408,409).

THE BIBLE: No prophet of God ever spoke like that. Yet Mormons are trusting their eternal salvation in a system set up by this man. In Daniel 4:28-33 King Nebuchadnezzar had such pride and was driven out by God to live with the animals . Just one month after delivering the above speech, Joseph Smith was killed by a mob (but only after he had shot and killed two of the mob) History of the Church, Vol. 7, pp. 102,103).


"When our leaders speak, the thinking as been done. When they point the say, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy." Improvement Era (Official LDS church magazine), June 1945, p. 345.

"The living Prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works (Bible, Book of Mormon, etc.). The living Prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet (David, Moses, Isaiah, etc.). Those who would remove prophets from politics would take God out of government." LDS prophet, Ezra Taft Benson, address at Brigham Young University, Feb. 26, 1980.

THE BIBLE: In these last days God speaks through His Son (Hebrews 1:1-2). The authority claimed by the Mormon Church is through an "Aaronic Priesthood," which cannot be valid since Jesus abolished it, as He took its place (Hebrews 7:11-19, 8:6-13); and a "Melchizedek Priesthood" which never existed as any operative "priesthood." Jesus is our only High Priest. He alone holds this permanently and no one else! (Hebrews 7:15-28, 9:11-15).


"Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness, he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fulness of the blessings of the Gospel." Joseph Fielding Smith (Prophet), The Way To Perfection, p. 102.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind." Brigham Young (Prophet), Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290.

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man...mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." B. Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, p. 110.

While the LDS god "forgave" blacks in June, 1978, their firm doctrine still is that this whole race of people are "cursed with a black skin" for sins committed by them before they were born.

The new revelation announced that worthy blacks could now receive the privileges of the LDS priesthood and secret temple rites like the whites. May all true Christians flee from such hypocrisy!


"The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world...In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 348, 349)

"The contention in heaven was...Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the Devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favour of Jesus Christ. So the Devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him." (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses,, Vol. 6, page 8.

 LDS TEMPLE RITUALS MOCK PREACHERS "Tax time" brought more than the usual amount of stress to tax devout Temple Mormons in 1990. It was about the middle of April that reports began filtering out of the LDS community that the highly sacred (and secretive) temple endowment ceremonies were changed substantially without any evident explanation.  The following scene was deleted at that time. I keep it herein, since the bulk of all Mormons, especially the leadership 1990 and, went through the Temple rituals prior to that date and have this perspective of Christian Pastors.  I personally witnessed this e scene in the temple.myself.

The scene is a place called The Lone and Dreary World. Adam is at an altar, wearing a Fig Leaf apron and with his offering of fruits and vegetables. (See Genesis, Chapter 4). He calls out:

"ADAM: Oh God, hear the words of my mouth!

LUCIFER: I hear you. What is it you want?

A: Who are you?

L: I am the God of this world.

A: You, the God of this world?

L: Yes! What do you want?

A: I am looking for messengers.

L: Oh, you want someone to preach to you? You want religion do you? I will have preachers here presently.

(Lucifer goes out and gets an "Orthodox" preacher, The "preacher" enters the scene)

L: Good Morning, Sir.

P: Good morning. A fine congregation!

L: Yes, they are very good people. They are concerned about religion. Are you a preacher?

P: I am.

L: Have you been to college and received training for the ministry?

P: Certainly! A man cannot preach unless he has been trained for the ministry!

L: Do you preach the orthodox religion?

P: Yes, that is what I preach.

L: If you will preach your orthodox religion to these people and convert them, I will pay you well!

P: I will do my best."

(The above account was transcribed from audio tapes made by a Mormon in the Provo LDS temple in 1984)


"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,, Vol. 7, p. 289)

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him." President George Q. Cannon, quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142.


"If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this last dispensation, the answer isóJoseph Smith, Junior, the Prophet of God. He is the man who will be resurrected and receive the keys of the resurrection, and he will seal this authority upon others, and they will hunt up their friends and resurrect them." Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 116.


"We are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God; that we are the people God has chosen by whom to establish his kingdom and introduce correct principles into the world; and that we are in fact the saviours of the world..." John Taylor (Prophet), Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 163.


"Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another... contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a prophet. As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do; that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years, He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style." (O. B. Huntington, Young Women's Journal, Vol. 3, p. 264, 1892)

"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?... So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it" (B. Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271)


"We also have to forsake the sin and never repeat it, not even in our minds...In order to remain forgiven, we must never commit the sin again." ( Uniform System for Teaching Families, pp.35,36)

"In other words, If there is one divine law that he does not keep he is barred from participating in the Kingdom, and figuratively guilty of all, since he is denied all." Joseph Fielding Smith (Prophet), Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol.3, p. 26.


As unbelievable as it may seem, the above information is actual LDS doctrine. The quotations have not been taken out of context. LDS prophets have taught such things and are believed speak for God.  For every quotation used here to supportaa doctrine, there are many others that could be used, as well.

As former Mormons who once sincerely believed in and staked our lives on these doctrines, we assure you that they are accurately stated. This is given to you because you deserve to have the facts. Millions of dollars can create any image through Readers' Digest ads and slick television commercials, but the doctrines of Mormonism are NOT Christian,

 Mormonism is a counterfeit with:A different "Jesus"A different "God"A different "Gospel"  

Read what Paul said about different "gospels", and those who brought them, in Galatians 1:6-9 and 2 Corinthians 11:3-15. Read what God has to say about false prophets in Deuteronomy 13:1-11, 18:20-22; Jeremiah 23:16-22 and what Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20; 24:3-26.


In 1977 the California Arcadia Mission sent out a directive to the Mormon missionaries entitled: "THE BAPTIZE NOW PLAN"...Teach to commit...Don't make the people think too much. Baptism must be our prime goal!"

We know the missionary strategy well. Many of us are former missionaries for the LDS Church. When they come to your door, asking to help you start a "Family Home Evening" or to tell you about their Church, ask them to give you the real "meat of the gospel" as above; not just the "milk" that sounds appealing but is designed to make you doubt your current faith and lead you into their counterfeit system .

They will constantly repeat a "testimony of the truthfulness of the Church" and ask you to read the Book of Mormon and pray about it to receive your own "testimony." What they want is a feeling, or a "Burning in the bosom." If you ignore the facts, Satan can cause you to experience feelings and sensations. Why not do as recorded in Acts 17:11 and check the "meat" of Mormonism out with God's Word, the Bible! Why pray about the Book of Mormon?

Ask them why this "holy Scripture" does not even contain the most basic teachings of Mormonism! Nowhere does it teach on the plurality of gods, that God was once a man, that man can become a god, that Jesus and Satan are brothers, that you must have celestial marriage and temple endowments, that there are three heavenly kingdoms, a heavenly mother, eternal progression, pre-existent spirits, baptism for the dead, etc.

 THE MISSIONARIES WILL NOT TELL YOU About their secret Temple Ceremonies.About secret names, signs, and grips you must know to go into Godhood.About their secret, magical underwear.About blood oaths you must swear death penalties for the disobedient (such as having your throat slit from ear to ear)They will not tell you how they use your tithing and offerings.How rich they are in the business world; how well their leaders are paid;How many businesses the church owns or controls. TO THE MORMON 

This information has been given to you in love. We assure you that it is accurate and honest. The programs, and certainly the people, of the Mormon Church are good. However, you can have the greatest organization, and a sincere faith, but if that organization directs your faith to a "god" who is not the one and only true God of the Bible, but rather a false god who cannot save, then after your own death, that organization and that faith will amount to nothing.

Take up the challenge! Dare to question and become a genuine seeker of the truth. Were you given the information on the "meat" of Mormonism, which we have outlined here, during the missionary lessons before you joined the church? Were you asked to make an eternal decision, based upon incomplete and inaccurate information?

WE URGE YOU to call out to the One True God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal Himself to you and to ask the One True Jesus to apply His sacrifice on the cross to your sins personally! There is no other God and no other say! Write to us! We will help you understand.


If you are an ex-Mormon who has never requested that your name be removed from membership, we urge you to do so! By leaving your membership in the church, you are directly aiding Mormonism's missionary efforts. We want to help you remove your name, and have a strong relationship with the Lord Jesus. Write or email us. 

If you are a Christian with a burden to reach Mormons, and inform the public on the real doctrines of Mormonism, we need your help!  Use the material on this website and share it widely.

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1 posted on 03/08/2011 7:02:53 AM PST by delacoert
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2 posted on 03/08/2011 7:04:03 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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3 posted on 03/08/2011 7:04:22 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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Cult. I pray for those who are deceived so and may they find the truth.

4 posted on 03/08/2011 7:05:22 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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How can people believe this junk?

5 posted on 03/08/2011 7:09:31 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?

6 posted on 03/08/2011 7:11:41 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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7 posted on 03/08/2011 7:15:25 AM PST by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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8 posted on 03/08/2011 7:17:25 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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>>As Man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.<<

Satan has been telling humans that since he rebelled.

9 posted on 03/08/2011 7:23:58 AM PST by CynicalBear
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A key function of temples is to perform ordinance work for our deceased ancestors. When we think of temple ordinances and the necessity to do them perfectly, without error...“… For their salvation is NECESSARY AND ESSENTIAL TO OUR SALVATION...they without us cannot be made perfect—NEITHER CAN WE WITHOUT OUR DEAD BE MADE PERFECT” (D&C 128:5, 15;...).

"We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time." Orson Pratt, Mormon Apostle, The Seer, p. 172 (1853)

Brigham Young said, "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).

Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).

Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).

{Uhm, hello!!?? You might want to re-read Alma 7:10.}

Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated, "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547).

10 posted on 03/08/2011 7:31:14 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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>>> How can people believe this junk?

I’ve been asking God that question for a long time.

I don’t know that I have the complete answer, but I do believe I have a big part of it.

In the course of any person’s life, the desire to “get away with something” is strong. We all make mistakes, and we quickly seek to blameshift or deny guilt. This of course ends up leading to a propensity to lie or manipulate the truth. This is something we are all guilty of at some point in our lives, and we all have to deal with.

The problem is that some people are much better at lying than others. The ones who are not very good at it must either choose to give it up, or figure out what they are doing wrong... otherwise, they fail to “get away with it”.

Determination is a powerful attribute for positive change, but can also be just as destructive if abused. Someone who is so determined to learn how to lie effectively eventually learns that before they can fool others, they have to believe the lie themselves first.

It is my personal belief that this is an attainable goal.
There are methods and practices (justification,repetition,etc.) that enable our brains to deny a truth and replace it with a lie. We call it compartmentalization... and one does not have to understand how it works in order to make it work.

The problem is that there are serious side effects... the most detrimental one being the dismantling of our God-given ability to discern between truth and error.

In other words, or in short....

If you learn to lie effectively, you become extremely vulnerable to being lied effectively to.

Who was it that said that the easiest person to con was a con man? It’s a true statement.

This is not to call all Mormons liars. For that matter, we are ALL liars (even Christians)... because we have all lied at some point in our lives. Rather, I believe it is safe to say that Mormons are deceived because they have handicapped themselves from being able to discern the truth.

11 posted on 03/08/2011 7:39:29 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: delacoert

Good Patriotic Christian people that put family and country first.

That should keep the Mormon-haters busy posting Bible scriptures (ad nauseum) for a while. I’m going to the store.

Don’t bother to respond. I won’t reply.

12 posted on 03/08/2011 7:58:44 AM PST by panaxanax (*Memo to Jim DeMint: Check your mail. Your DRAFT NOTICE will be arriving soon!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

13 posted on 03/08/2011 7:59:57 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: delacoert

Neither. It’s a business.

14 posted on 03/08/2011 8:02:10 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer.")
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To: panaxanax
"That should keep the Mormon-haters..."

"Don’t bother to respond. I won’t reply."

We know. Common cowardly tactic to accuse people of hate and then run off, just like a flaming liberal.

No stomach or spine to back up the allegations or accept responsibility for the lies.

Buy something to make yourself feel better.

15 posted on 03/08/2011 8:04:22 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: panaxanax
You were right to a point. They are not nor ever have been Christian, but many are very good patriotic folk (well also to a point, see Mitt Romney sycophants)

Yet you ask us to let them dance with the Devil straight to the gates of hell itself without as much as a peep.

If wanting to save Good Patriotic people is hate in your eyes it says much about you.

I would not reply either.

16 posted on 03/08/2011 8:07:51 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: delacoert
Written by Ed Decker
Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:36

2009? Not new news.

If Mormons want to be Christians, just throw out all those other books and read the bible only. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were just men, Jesus always was and is GOD.

As the Teaparty has no real leader, Christians have no real leader other than Jesus. (The pope, you say? Just a man, nobody special).

If your religion has leaders somewhere telling you what to believe, then you have just that, a religion. A cult if you will, blindly following some religious leader / leaders.

Mormons want legitimacy (like homosexuals do). We will pretend to be Christians just let us in the normal club, The “Christian” club. So we can get out of the Mormon “cult” club. I'm sure Mormons are very nice. I love their family values and TV commercials, (yes commercials, they are trying to SELL you something).

Their leaders teachings and their blasphemous books just make being considered a Christian impossible. They gave up Polygamy, now give up blasphemy and we'll talk.

17 posted on 03/08/2011 8:12:23 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; delacoert
Its an heretical movement. Sorry to all the mormons out there, but I'm afraid you hold heretical opinions.

This doesn't mean you can't be nice people who do good things. The "Family" Public Service spots I understand are very, very good.

18 posted on 03/08/2011 8:13:18 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: delacoert

Great post!

19 posted on 03/08/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than the Westboro's!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Safrguns

Interesting insight. Thanks for sharing.

20 posted on 03/08/2011 8:17:44 AM PST by Vanders9
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No less a Christian philosopher than C. S. Lewis said that it is mans destiny to become like God. (Mere Christianity)

21 posted on 03/08/2011 8:20:19 AM PST by webboy45
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To: panaxanax

Any religion that says you will go on to become gods in the afterlife is not Christianity but satanic.

22 posted on 03/08/2011 8:21:43 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than the Westboro's!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: webboy45
Like God, yes, a god, God's equal, no...

That is one of the major reasons Mormonism stands apart from true Christianity.

God has made it abundantly clear that he is the one and only.

23 posted on 03/08/2011 8:35:28 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: webboy45
No less a Christian philosopher than C. S. Lewis said that it is mans destiny to become like God

Big difference between Like and Will Become.

Nowhere in the bible does it say you will become a god, let alone have your own planet and make celestial babies forever. That is satanic pure and simple.

24 posted on 03/08/2011 8:35:40 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than the Westboro's!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Safrguns

You're right, fair, and gracious. Thanks Safrguns.

25 posted on 03/08/2011 8:44:17 AM PST by delacoert
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To: Farmer Dean
How can people believe this junk?

And just what makes you think the Mormon Church tells its members these truths?

26 posted on 03/08/2011 8:47:14 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: dragonblustar
27 posted on 03/08/2011 8:47:44 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than the Westboro's!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: SeaHawkFan

What makes you think that they don’t?

28 posted on 03/08/2011 8:49:52 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

Because most of their missionaries don’t even know some of this stuff.

29 posted on 03/08/2011 8:54:03 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: webboy45
Regardless of how wonderful C. S. Lewis is thought to be, you don't have to go anywhere other than scripture to find words such as, "we will be like Him."

Twisting those words in an attempt to support the heresy that Mormons may become actual gods is a satanic lie.

30 posted on 03/08/2011 8:56:33 AM PST by delacoert
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To: SeaHawkFan; Farmer Dean
He is right. The Mormon leadership is very skilled at tailoring the message. You will see it here on FR (or did) where Mormon converts will actually espouse their old Christian beliefs that contradict LDS teachings and think them part of the LDS. No one will “correct” because they are after the money, theology is irrelevant.

They also practice the “Milk before Meat” approach, leaving the really weird stuff for after you are caught in the web, if at all.

31 posted on 03/08/2011 9:00:37 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: delacoert

Mormon theology is First Century Christianity. Other denominations subscribe to Fourth Century (man-made) Creeds:

You will find Biblical references for most of the issues mentioned above.

32 posted on 03/08/2011 9:15:56 AM PST by Bot (Mormons Are Christian)
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To: Bot

Um, no.

33 posted on 03/08/2011 9:17:03 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Bot

You think that Mormon “theologians” are taken seriously by anyone outside the Morg. Bwahahaha

34 posted on 03/08/2011 9:37:09 AM PST by delacoert
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To: Bot
When did Jesus get married/sealed in a temple? When did He take out His endowments in order to be permitted to return to the celestial kingdom?

When did Jesus give the blood oaths? When did Jesus wear His garments? When did Jesus marry multiple women?

That plural marriage (polygamy) was “a new and everlasting covenant essential to exaltation to the highest glory in which men may become gods.” D&C 132

Brigham Young - "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned." Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266 (1855)

Heber C. Kimball - ”Opponents of polygamy will be "cut off" by God.”Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 108 (1856)

”If you are someone who objects to plural marriage, then I would challenge you to search within yourselves. There is no doubt in my mind that your attitude towards plural marriage will determine your place in eternity.”

So just how and when did Jesus comply with this "covenant" so that He could become God since it is supposed to be part and parcel of the "restoration"?

35 posted on 03/08/2011 10:03:51 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: delacoert; All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at but here's more:

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.


36 posted on 03/08/2011 11:40:29 AM PST by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: delacoert

I had some missionaries knock on my door when I was really busy. My neighbor had sent them over and was standing on my porch to listen.

I said “It’s very simple.... I believe in a monotheism, you believe in a polytheism.”

They said thankyouverymuch and left. My neighbor cheered as she walked home.

37 posted on 03/08/2011 11:51:56 AM PST by Grammy
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

As a Mormon I believe in Jesus Christ — he’s my Savior and the only hope I have of redemption from sin and from the grave.

38 posted on 03/08/2011 11:59:59 AM PST by Normandy
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To: Bot; delacoert

My bot - things must be slow with all the blog pimping you are doing.

39 posted on 03/08/2011 12:10:49 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22

Um, no.


40 posted on 03/08/2011 12:26:23 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: delacoert became a God.

Christianity:...God became a man.

Both heretical. Both have a man as divine.

41 posted on 03/08/2011 1:08:48 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: delacoert
I'm not an official member of any church and I'm not Mormon.

That said, I could write up the foundations of Bible-centered Christianity and make them sound just as far-fetched and bizarre.

Internecine warfare is often the most abhorrent to God. He figures humans are not competent judges of whether another human is true to scripture.

Do you realize thousands have been killed over the Arian and Trinitarian views of the Godhead?

42 posted on 03/08/2011 1:11:35 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: blasater1960 became a God.
Christianity:...God became a man.

Oh, but then you DO admit that Mormonism is Christianity. Thank you.

43 posted on 03/08/2011 1:12:19 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Mariner
"That said, I could write up the foundations of Bible-centered Christianity and make them sound just as far-fetched and bizarre."


This crowd may stone you to death.

44 posted on 03/08/2011 1:19:36 PM PST by verity
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To: colorcountry
Oh, but then you DO admit that Mormonism is Christianity. Thank you.

Sure. Both Christianity and Mormonism premise "salvation" on Jesus. Even though miles apart on doctrine, the end result is the same.

45 posted on 03/08/2011 1:50:55 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: BlueMoose

To the whole post...

46 posted on 03/08/2011 1:54:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: All

I never really cared about the differences in religions (aside from Islam) until I got on FR. Since then I’ve found myself learning quite a bit. What have I learned?

1. Jews generally don’t care what you think of their theology. It’s worked fine for them for 5,000 years and if you don’t like it they’re patient enough to know their faith will be around in another 5,000 years while yours...

2. Mormons, Catholics, and Scientologists all sound alike when you poke at them.

3. Protestant Christians know their Bibles inside and out and, yet, for some reason they’ll still pimp for neo-con Republicans who always have a ‘good reason’ for not ending abortion.

47 posted on 03/08/2011 1:57:52 PM PST by MeganC (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: Paragon Defender

The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter day Saints is or is not be a cult depending on how you define “is”, but anyone who can find glory in the fall of man as stated in the book of Mormon (2 Nephi 2:22–25) I certainly can not agree with their views of a Holy God.

“And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen [been cut off from the presence of God], but he would have remained in the Garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; …

“And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

“But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

“Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy” (2 Nephi 2:22–25).

48 posted on 03/08/2011 2:00:27 PM PST by sbhitchc (Check your premise, contradictions do not exist -Francisco Domingo Carlos Andres Sabastien D'anconia)
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To: blasater1960
Oh, but then you DO admit that Mormonism isn't Christianity. Thank you.

I meant to say isn't. I guess that's why I try not to post when I'm working.

49 posted on 03/08/2011 2:02:00 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Mariner

So where do you draw the lines? All paths are correct?

50 posted on 03/08/2011 2:07:22 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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