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Catechism of the Catholic Church

"841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

This is way above your pay grade your not a canon lawyer. He is talking about within the context of Invincible Ignorance. Notice the word Plan in the statement not salvation. The plan is laid down for salvation.

Christ said He that believe in me has eternal life if he does not he is already condemned. Now does this mean a child who hears or a handicapped mental child or adult who does not understand is condemned. No! What about the rare few who for no fault of their own either what background( Muslim or whatever) never heard or understood what this means. This is noted for these few in the statement. They will be judged on what they do know like the Apostle Paul states and implies. Their conscience is judged.

14 posted on 03/13/2011 11:04:44 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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This is way above your pay grade

Channeling Obama now?

He is talking about within the context of Invincible Ignorance. Notice the word Plan in the statement not salvation. The plan is laid down for salvation.

Sorry, no. There is no reference to "ignorance", invincible or otherwise in the statement. It clearly states that Muslims and Catholics "adore" the same God. The Bible is clear that rejection of the Son equals rejection of the Father. Explicit in Islam is rejection of Jesus as God and Messiah.

What about the rare few who for no fault of their own either what background( Muslim or whatever) never heard or understood what this means.

That is where the sovereignty of God comes in. Those elect to salvation will be given the knowledge and faith necessary, normally through the Church in the form of missionaries, etc. Sometimes through extraordinary means such as dreams. Nowhere in the Bible is ignorance excused. If whole groups of people are secure in their salvation due to ignorance, then the worst thing to do would be to expose them to the Gospel and give them a chance to reject it and lose their salvation. On the contrary, the Bible conveys an urgency concerning spreading the Gospel to those elected to respond to it with faith.

Their conscience is judged

I have no doubt that many Muslim suicide bombers have ended their lives with a "clear" conscience, absolutely convinced they were doing God's work. I guess God (the same God of the Catholics) will reward that, right?
15 posted on 03/13/2011 12:54:52 PM PDT by armydoc
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