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Posted on 03/15/2011 10:46:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
14 March 2011 — Salt Lake City
News Release
As the aftermath of the earthquake and tsunami continues to unfold, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is assessing how it will best provide relief. News reports indicate that the death toll from the earthquake and tsunami in Japan is nearing 3,000 and will likely continue to rise. The majority of casualties in Japan are expected to be from the tsunami rather than the earthquake. Tens of thousands more are homeless and millions are without power. The government of Japan has mobilized thousands of troops, planes and ships for a large-scale emergency response operation.
The Church’s First Presidency made the following statement regarding the disaster:
We express our love and support to the people of Japan as they deal with this terrible tragedy. Our prayers, and the prayers of millions of Latter-day Saints across the world, are with them as they begin to recover from this disaster.
Relief Aid
Communication and transportation is difficult in the most affected areas, but local Church leaders are currently discussing with government and humanitarian organizations ways to provide assistance.
It is likely Church members have been directly impacted by the quake, and local Church leaders are working tirelessly to account for them. Approximately 95% of the Latter-day Saints in the affected areas have been contacted, and initial reports indicate there are no confirmed deaths; however, there is limited information on the status of members from the most devastated areas.
Church Buildings
The Church has received several inquiries regarding the condition of its temple in Tokyo and can confirm that there is no significant damage to the building. While we know that some buildings have sustained varying degrees of damage, Church leaders in the affected areas are assessing the condition of other Church buildings.
Do the the comparison. The tone difference tells the whole story.
Are you using the article to claim that the lds have common theology with muslims or that they believe in Jesus Christ?
It's a non-profit entity. So does it provide any kind of accounting to the govt for tax purposes? (No)
Most denominations make their own numbers available to their grassroots. (The Lds church doesn't)
As for "requirement" -- I'm not even talking about "have tos." I'm talking about internal self-accountable "want tos." Does the Lds church want to give any accounting of their expenditures to at least their own members? (Beyond their general authorities, no, they don't)
See book The Mormon Corporate Empire...written in the 1980s. One of the two authors, John Heinerman, was/is Lds.
As to how they do this legally, please see How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ...
Note this excerpt: ...in 1923, church lawyers found The Holy Grail: a rare, little known, and hardly ever used mode of incorporation known as The Corporation Sole. Virtually unknown in America, and tracing its origins to ancient Roman law, the corporation sole was the way the vast riches of the Holy Catholic Church had been protected under Emperor Constantine. All financial power was vested in one man -in their case the pope, in our case, the prophet. Or, as he was named in the corporate charter, “the President.” The word “Prophet” doesn't appear in the charter. This wasn't a real church, after all. It was just a way for the leadership of the, ahem, "Church” (wink, wink) to control the member's money. In the original LDS church from the time of Joseph Smith, all members were considered of equal worth. They were called “members” because in the ancient church the scriptures called them “members of the body of Christ.” All parts were of equal importance to the Lord. You know the words of Paul in 1st Corinthians 12: “The head cannot say to the feet, I have no need of you.” Likewise church property bought with member's tithing was considered held in common by all the members of the church, with common consent required for the purchase or disbursement of that common property. But not anymore. Under the corporation sole, the head could tell the feet to go take a hike. The president of the church could do whatever the hell he wanted with the member's money without asking permission from the members whatsoever. It's spelled out right there in the charter. The president of the corporation needs no authorization from any mere member of the Lord's church. No show of hands, no vote, no “all in favor please manifest.” Like the Pope, his power is absolute. He is the Sole Brother.
What a Frickin Whacko.
The only horn being blown is their own.
I don't think I've heard it said anywhere they are in 100% alignment. Fundamentalist Mormons are not 100% in theological alignment with mainstream Mormons; that doesn't make one of the groups non-Mormons.
How do they agree?
As the article I cited shows, both Muslims & Mormons laud Muhammad.
I've seen (& filed away) lists of over two dozen similarities between Mormonism and Islam.
Here's a more condensed list by former Mormon Colorcountry from an earlier post:
Similarities between Joseph Smith and Muhammad:
Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel.
Both were given visions.
Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth...
Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion.
Both wrote a book inspired by God.
Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?"
Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth.
Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
Source: ColorCountry post #29
I don't think this is strictly true. Maybe the church part of the mormons is a non-profit entity, but I think they own for-profit businesses. But I admit that from an accounting/disclosure/reporting standpoint I don't know if the distinction is material. I'm not a business or accounting person . . .
Colofornian, there's a name caller here!!! Please make him/her stop!
RBranha, if you'd just give me your Distance Psychological Profile mechanism you use to 100% JUDGE the mind-make-up of a complete-stranger poster, then I could utilize that on you and either confirm or deny Vendome's allegation.
Believe me, if your mechanism eval-testing comes back "negative," I'll be sure to give Vendome a solid chastisement! :)
LOL
And I'm not making this claim. However, you're trying to paint them with the same broad brush to make it appear that they are in close enough agreement that if a person dismisses the beliefs of one, they should dismiss the beliefs of the other. (Maybe you aren't doing that, but it sure looks suspicious.) For example:
How do they agree?
As the article I cited shows, both Muslims & Mormons laud Muhammad.
I suspect a mormon would say that "laud" is too strong a word for their opinion of Muhammad if it implies they view him like they do their prophets, and that Muslims would say it isn't a strong enough word to convey their full belief about him. By picking a word which is right in between, you can make it appear that the beliefs of the 2 religions are "close enough for government work", which does not appear to be true in this case. I think Muslims consider Muhammad to be a prophet but the mormons don't. That's a pretty big distinction.
Well...about that chastisement, tell ya what vendome...if rbranha’s magic-8-ball-urim&thummim test comes back negative on himself, I’ll go semi-easy on you...[well, what’d ya expect I’d say to a nunchuk-wielding poster?) LOL
I'll let you borrow mine if you let me take yours for a spin. I've had years of your posts to put into my machine and you've had only 1 thread's worth of mine, yet you reached a conclusion at the same time I did.
The Church has received several inquiries regarding the condition of its temple in Tokyo
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Who in their right mind would care about some dumb building ???
People died in Japan,,,
People are injured and homeless and hungry in Jaqpan...
Wheres the concern for the people ???
Nice spin try. But your reference to "tiny people" was plural & was made to greyfoxx39 in post #32; "small minds" in post #70 was likewise plural...so not sure how many FREEPERs you were referencing there...
(So, it's "nice" to know you go around as the self-designated psychological profiler on FR)
The only "names" I've labeled your way was hypocrite & "bully" -- the latter which, again, as I said, a substitute teacher could readily ascertain on his/her first time observation of recess. It wouldn't take an in-depth personality profile; whereas, you repeatedly claimed to be able to assess the entirety of other posters' minds...well, that was before you confessed you couldn't read minds, after all.
As for somebody being two-faced, I was quite specific as to how you were repeatedly being two-faced on this thread. IOW, if you're going to toss out a label, you better be very specific. And each time you were inconsistent, I called you on it. And you haven't defended it at all -- which, I take, as a sort of admission.
You can't discipline a child for vague offenses. You need to be specific. And anytime you critique somebody publicly, you better be specific to justify it.
You? You just toss out overbroad slams which requires more informational input than you could have mastered on numerous thread posters. I mean, we still don't even know which posters you were referencing in your slams.
You're attempt to now make your earlier comments only about me shows your desperation for post-spin.
(You may wish to stop before you're caught in further web-spinning which erodes whatever shred of credibility you might want to cling to...not very becoming of a poster who was citing the Bible earlier)
What an interesting thread.
RBranha has done very well dealing with the onslaught from the anti-Mormon gang and watching Colo squirm has been almost comical.
Several good and key points were made by RBranha but I am betting they fell on deaf ears.
The manipulation of the topic to fill the obsessed needs of the anti-Mormon gang is so bizarre. I am starting to pity them.
Good night all. I hope you can wake up tomorrow with a softer heart than you have today.
PULL QUOTE: (bold my emphasis)
Elder Holland said evacuating missionaries also helps lessen the burden on others. “We want to have them out of harm’s way. That doesn’t mean we are any less concerned about anyone else who is in that circumstance. But we don’t want people worrying about the missionaries. All members are going to worry about the missionaries, and we don’t want any local Japanese people worrying about the missionaries if we can worry about them. We want them to take care of themselves and their own families as they can.”
(You may wish to stop before you’re caught in further web-spinning which erodes whatever shred of credibility you might want to cling to...not very becoming of a poster who was citing the Bible earlier)
ROFL
pot... kettle
kettle.... pot
too much
What thread have you been reading? Maybe in the twilight zone?
The Lds have Japanese temples in Sapporo, Fukuoka, and Tokyo. Of course, the Mormons would care primarily about such buildings! And now that so many more Japanese have died, why the Mormons could justify their building concerns even more!
Mormons have this multi-million member unhealthy obsession of the dead.
(But of course, we have FR posters like RBranha who are more concerned with a few FREEPERS who point out facts like that than multi millions of LDS members who spend $millions & hundreds of millions of hours unhealthily obsessing with the dead...can you say unbalanced provocation... two-faced...inconsistent???)
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