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Church Update on Response to Japan Earthquake and Tsunami (Mormon)
LDS Newsroom ^ | March 14, 2011 | Press Release

Posted on 03/15/2011 10:46:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: RBranha

Either one works, I guess. :-)


51 posted on 03/15/2011 1:55:13 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha

Not only are they my neighbors they are my family members.


52 posted on 03/15/2011 1:56:14 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

LDS, Muslims or both?


53 posted on 03/15/2011 1:57:26 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha

lds - family, neighbors, co-workers, friends
muslims - neighbors, co-workers, friends (However, the muslims I know are muslims in name only. Several call themselves Christian muslims, and go to AoG Christian muslim churches. I don’t get why they still say muslim, but that’s for them to decide.)


54 posted on 03/15/2011 2:01:53 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: greyfoxx39

As the aftermath of the earthquake and tsunami continues to unfold, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is assessing how it will best provide relief.
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By sending money to MTW


55 posted on 03/15/2011 2:02:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

As the aftermath of the earthquake and tsunami continues to unfold, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is assessing how it will best
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use the tragedy for their own PR purposes


56 posted on 03/15/2011 2:05:50 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw

I hadn’t heard of “Christian Muslim” or of persons calling themselves that. Are they former Muslims who have converted to Christianity, or do they accept tenets of both?


57 posted on 03/15/2011 2:09:10 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: NEMDF

I think this is a case of throwin out an accusation with all 12 fingers crossed...

Personally I lived in Japan in the early 1970s

I do not recall any mormons helping out or giving aid after any of the hurricanes...


58 posted on 03/15/2011 2:15:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RBranha; svcw; ejonesie22; Colofornian; Godzilla; SZonian; Gamecock
My statement was in response to your prior insinuation that the Mormons aren't already on the ground helping with the relief effort. ("While they are still assessing, Christians are already on the ground helping with relief effort.") I believe they are doing more than assessing, but the full scope of their effort is more than can be communicated in a press release.

"My statement was in response to your prior insinuation that the Mormons aren't already on the ground helping with the relief effort."

You gotta be kidding! If the mormons were on the ground there would have been press releases stating so all over the mormon media. The fact that "you believe" is not any kind of evidence.

We have watched here on FR for several years as the mormons have posted these press releases and it wasn't unusual for them to read as though the "first and only" aid relief was by the LDS in their "advertisement yellow tee shirts".

So, provide actual articles AND links establishing the LDS relief in Japan as we Christians have done. We will gladly read them.

59 posted on 03/15/2011 2:35:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: RBranha
I don’t know the status of the Mormons’ efforts in Japan, but the following update was given 1 month after the Haiti quake

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2441468/posts
 
Salvation Army Continues Massive Relief Operation in Haiti

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2437940/posts
 
Faiths unite in South Florida to help Haiti
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2437112/posts
 
Surviving Day By Day- Christian
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2435094/posts
 
Churches send doctors, medicine and food to Haiti (Trinitarian Christian Caucus)
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2441343/posts
 
Dr. Dick Furman: A Surgeon’s Reflections - Haiti (Evangelical)
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2435125/posts
 
Tents filled with wounded - Christian

60 posted on 03/15/2011 2:39:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: RBranha

These people are from families that are muslim, and they left when they accepted Christ as their Personal Savior. These are some of the most on fire, Spirit filled Christians I have ever known.
You can not be a Christian and also practice islam.


61 posted on 03/15/2011 2:40:28 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
These people are from families that are muslim, and they left when they accepted Christ as their Personal Savior. These are some of the most on fire, Spirit filled Christians I have ever known. You can not be a Christian and also practice islam.

I'm trying to understand the definition of "Christian Muslim". What does such a person believe? If they are truly Spirit-filled Christians, why would they call themselves Christian Muslim?
63 posted on 03/15/2011 2:49:28 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Nice list, gf, but I didn’t mean to imply that no other organizations were present in Haiti. There’s plenty of room for everybody to help out when such disasters strike. :-)


64 posted on 03/15/2011 2:52:20 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha

Really? It’s just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I don’t know it doesn’t bother me. When they are saying muslim they are not saying islamic Christians.


65 posted on 03/15/2011 2:52:56 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
Really? It’s just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I don’t know it doesn’t bother me. When they are saying muslim they are not saying islamic Christians.

"Muslim" must contribute some meaning to the term or they wouldn't use it, and "Muslim" doesn't refer to a place like "Persian" or "Iranian" or "Kenyan". Muslim refers to adherents of Islam, so far as I know.
66 posted on 03/15/2011 3:00:39 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha; svcw; greyfoxx39
I believe they are doing more than assessing, but the full scope of their effort is more than can be communicated in a press release.

Perhaps. But you've underestimated the Mormon church PR machine.

Take Haiti last year, for instance. The Mormon church was highlighting all that it was doing, as if we should trumpeting the details of our almsgiving for all the world to see.

(Even then, 'twas a mere pittance of the billions they rake in every year)

67 posted on 03/15/2011 3:04:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RBranha

Then I can’t help you.


68 posted on 03/15/2011 3:07:38 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: RBranha; All

You have no idea what the LDS church is doing, other than what was mentioned in the article. I know you want to believe that they have done nothing other than what was mentioned, but your assumption is incorrect. If you are willing to use Google, in the coming days you will find that the Mormons have been doing a lot more since Friday than what you can see in a press release.


I am convinced there is no low the anti-Mormon gang on FR won’t stoop to, to attack the LDS Church. It is beyond both absurd and pitiful.


69 posted on 03/15/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: Colofornian
"as if we should trumpeting the details of our almsgiving"

This shows a point I alluded to earlier. If the mormons don't say they're doing something, they get bashed on here for not doing anything. If they say they're doing something, they get bashed for "trumpeting." Either way, the small minds win.
70 posted on 03/15/2011 3:12:06 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: svcw
Really? It’s just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I don’t know it doesn’t bother me.

Just like "Muslim", "Mormon" isn't a place, either, but rather a term used to refer to adherents of a religion. So you wouldn't mind "Christian Mormons" or "Mormon Christians"?
71 posted on 03/15/2011 3:15:15 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha

An apologetic, totally at odds with the story it is trying to obfuscate and the testimony of those involved.

A large building is capable of holding more than a few government workers.

If such a structure cannot be a shelter in a storm, what good is it.

If the decision and resource allocation process is that deficient - to allow a government enitity to ‘take over’ the building without clearly specified conditions that the lds agree too further adds to the questionable nature of the apologetic.

Guess it is easier for the mormon church to spend 4 billion in a SLC shopping mall eh?


72 posted on 03/15/2011 3:15:21 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
An apologetic, totally at odds with the story it is trying to obfuscate and the testimony of those involved. A large building is capable of holding more than a few government workers.

You're really grasping here. You didn't know the building was being used by the Haitian government until I told you, and now you claim to know that it was being used by "a few government workers." This, while you fail to mention the 9 other mormon church buildings that were being used as shelters.
73 posted on 03/15/2011 3:19:51 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha

Apparently neither did the bishop of the chapel.


74 posted on 03/15/2011 3:21:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: RBranha
Well, it took you long enough to get there - nice job.
If you can't see the difference here I can't help you, except to say this: mormons who say mormon Christian are trying to convince the observer that they are in fact Christian, they are not. Where as when a person uses the term mulsim Christian, they are saying from where they came. (There is no muslim religion, it is called islam.)
75 posted on 03/15/2011 3:21:06 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; svcw
I see that a lot of very tiny people are providing their aid to the Japanese people by belittling the efforts of others, and doing it from the safety and comfort of their computer chairs.

Sunday night, I saw a FR thread critiquing Obama's seeming care-free response...are you going to go into that thread and from the ease & comfort of YOUR computer chair, call those FREEPERS "tiny" too...or are you always that inconsistent? Is Obama's "efforts" to aid Japan unassailable?

Bitterness is so unbecoming...

What? Is that a magic pet rock, a urim & thummim, or a Magic 8-ball that gives you the ability to read complete strangers' inner emotions and/or motivations?

You're pretty sick if you think you have those kind of psychological abilities.

76 posted on 03/15/2011 3:22:12 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
I've read a lot of your posts, Colofornian, and I'm reminded of Emerson : A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Many of us on FR would appreciate it if you were to get a blog and use it to obsess over the mormons instead of doing it here.
77 posted on 03/15/2011 3:28:03 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: svcw
they are saying from where they came.

What's the capital of Muslim? Who's the president or prime minister?

There is no muslim religion, it is called islam.

And a person who adheres to the tenets of islam is called a Muslim.
78 posted on 03/15/2011 3:32:35 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
This shows a point I alluded to earlier. If the mormons don't say they're doing something, they get bashed on here for not doing anything. If they say they're doing something, they get bashed for "trumpeting."

Not it at all.

The Mormons' track record, including Japan, is that they are ready to trumpet the Mormon church response to disaster. They've already done it.

The issue is simple:

(1) They haven't sat back & claimed to do nothing -- so nobody's bashed them for that...rather, for misprioritizing. (Have you always had problems reading plain English released on press releases?)

Therefore, you're badly misinterpreting the critiques.

(2) Their track record has NEVER been to sit back & not claim to respond to disasters. (So why do you keep harping on this strawman?)

So, since you don't seem to be able to understand plain english in press releases; and plain critiques, allow me to help you:

From the track record of the Mormon church's PR dept perspective, the Question has never been whether the Mormon church should promote their almsgiving or not. (They always have)

And from this last press release, the question on the table of this particular thread wasn't done to critique the Mormon church's supposed "do nothing" approach...because the Mormon church has done something.

They've looked after their own. Period. Or if this was a telegram, it'd read: "Stop."

79 posted on 03/15/2011 3:35:35 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RBranha

Ok, then just to make you feel better I will ask them to stop calling themselves this and even to pay to change the sign on their church and only to refer to themselves as Christians. Will you feel better then?
So we are clear no matter how agitated you are by their name, mormonISM is still not Christianity.


80 posted on 03/15/2011 3:40:30 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian
And thus you've found another nit to pick, which is somewhere in between "trumpeting" and remaining quiet. They're "misprioritizing."

You also criticize the idea of the mormons checking on their members before others. It makes perfect sense for an organization to mobilize its resources by first accounting for its members, then having those members go out and assist in the community at large. An organization which has the ability to organize manpower must first assess the status of that manpower.
81 posted on 03/15/2011 3:47:12 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha; svcw; greyfoxx39
I believe they are doing more than assessing, but the full scope of their effort is more than can be communicated in a press release.

Ohhhh Really?

Mormon Inc. has a much better PR apparatchik than that. If they were on the ground taking care of victims that is all we would hear about. Not the mundane planning....

82 posted on 03/15/2011 3:49:47 PM PDT by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: RBranha; All
Yeah, that's right. You've been caught on your two-faced hypocrisy. So, simply refuse to answer the question that reveals how inconsistent your posts are.

And simply continue your ad hominen attacks.

Just look @ your ad hominen approach: Why does it seem that you love going around calling FREEPERS
"tiny"
"small"
"little"
...as if you're some elite GIANT of a FREEPER who loves goin' 'round frowning upon other FREEPERS?

When you can't address the question or the argument, you simply resort to bullying labels.

ALL: What do you think of FREEPERS who highlight being neighborly in three posts (#40, #44, #48), but somehow can't show his "neighborliness" to fellow FREEPERS he calls "tiny," "small," "little," "foolish," "hobgoblin" -- all while judging inward motives of complete strangers as being "bitter?"

Doesn't this just reveal even more of your fractured personality? You critique others for critiquing others -- yet instead of sticking to issues like other FREEPERS here, you resort to ad hominen attacks & labels & somehow concluding you can do mind-reading?

83 posted on 03/15/2011 3:49:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
Ok, then just to make you feel better I will ask them to stop calling themselves this and even to pay to change the sign on their church and only to refer to themselves as Christians. Will you feel better then? So we are clear no matter how agitated you are by their name, mormonISM is still not Christianity.

I was less bothered by what they call themselves than I was curious about your response to it. For you, association with Islam is a big problem giving aid to victims of natural disasters, but Christian converts who call themselves "Christian Muslims" is not an issue, even though a Muslim is an adherent of Islam.

I see a disconnect in your thinking which I'm having trouble reconciling, that's all. If you can live with it, I sure can. It's really none of my business, I suppose. I was just trying to learn something. :-)
84 posted on 03/15/2011 3:56:20 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
Oh brother.
lds are partnering with islamic groups, just more of the same is really quite different than people who refer to themselves as muslim Christians even though they are really just Christians.
But like I said I am going to ask them to stop, I want you to feel good about yourself.
Everyday there is another story about lds and islamic groups getting together for this or that, yes I do have a problem with that.
I do not have a problem with born again Christians who still might use a term that you find offensive.
85 posted on 03/15/2011 4:01:34 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian
you can do mind-reading?

Nope, I'm not a mind reader, but "ye shall know them by their fruits." Your fruits, as far as FR is concerned, consist of a lot of posts of questionable accuracy and heavy on the criticism. The amount of material you post which is critical of the lds suggests you have an unhealthy obsession.

BTW, don't take my observation as a diagnosis. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist (or a mind reader), and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
86 posted on 03/15/2011 4:05:56 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
ye shall know them by their fruits

Do some research. This versus you posted (with out reference again) is talking about false prophets, you know like Joseph Smith.

87 posted on 03/15/2011 4:07:54 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

A person who has no problem with “Christian Muslims” is going to teach us about the New Testament? Seriously??


88 posted on 03/15/2011 4:12:51 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
And a person who thinks mormonISM is Christian quoting Bible, seriously? You need to stop obsessing on people who are born again Christians that still use a phrase muslim. It is not healthy, maybe you should see some one about that obsession. Just saying.
89 posted on 03/15/2011 4:18:42 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
And a person who thinks mormonISM is Christian quoting Bible, seriously? You need to stop obsessing on people who are born again Christians that still use a phrase muslim.

I don't recall discussing whether or not mormons are Christians, but perhaps we did. I suppose if Muslims can be Christian, then perhaps the mormons can, too.

90 posted on 03/15/2011 4:25:38 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: Gamecock

Samaritains Purse Rocks!


91 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: RBranha; Colofornian; svcw
Many of us on FR

ROTFL...."many"....those many are perfectly free to avoid clicking on these threads and reading them..there are MANY, MANY other threads to read during a 24-hour period.

Lots of Catholic threads, for instance that go for hundreds of replies all the time.

I always think it's rather obsessive for people to be reading the Religion Forum when they don't like hearing about religion (unless, of course, it's flattering to THEIR religion).

grin

92 posted on 03/15/2011 4:32:06 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: RBranha
I am going to write this really slowly. This group refers to themselves as muslim Christians, they are Bible believing Spirit filled on fire Christians.
That is not true with mormomISM, it can't be.
They are not muslims (really you are thinking islamic) they are Christians as I described above.
Seriously you need to seek help, your obsession is unnerving.

But back to the original post, if lds had been on the ground they would have stated it in the press release. They have an entire self promotion department. They like to broadcast their alms. All they talked about was thier buildings.

And you still haven't addressed the questions in post #7.

93 posted on 03/15/2011 4:37:27 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: caww

You may have seen this, if so sorry but it is a good link.
http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/pray_for_japan/


94 posted on 03/15/2011 4:40:38 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
You may have seen this, if so sorry but it is a good link. http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/pray_for_japan/

Trumpeting is not allowed!!!! I mean, what person or organization would allow an Internet article or posting about them doing their alms? Heresy, I say!

95 posted on 03/15/2011 4:53:31 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
Look at the link.
I am trumpeting. These people did not put out a press release to say they were looking at buildings.
If you are going to try and be clever, Ok, never mind - you just can't pull it off.
96 posted on 03/15/2011 4:56:26 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: RBranha
Forgot to add, Samaritan’s Purse is to busy putting boots on the ground to self promote.
97 posted on 03/15/2011 4:58:43 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
lds are partnering with islamic groups

IMO, the LDS church is using the mormon-muslim connection Link in the hopes that mormons will be the last ones beheaded.

98 posted on 03/15/2011 5:01:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: svcw
I am going to write this really slowly. This group refers to themselves as muslim Christians, they are Bible believing Spirit filled on fire Christians.

Do these "Muslim Christians" worship Christ on Sundays and Allah on Tuesdays? Or do they switch from week to week? When they're done praying, do they end in the name of Christ or do they shout "Allahu Akbar"? Sorry, I can't see how a person who has accepted Jesus and prays in His name can continue to call themselves Muslim. The 2 don't go together.

your obsession is unnerving.

Apparently, you are easily un-nerved.

But back to the original post, if lds had been on the ground they would have stated it in the press release.

You'll have to prove this one. Just because you claim it, doesn't mean it's true.

And you still haven't addressed the questions in post #7.

I already said I don't know what's going on with the mormons in Japan. I also said that because we lack of information doesn't mean that they aren't doing anything.

99 posted on 03/15/2011 5:09:03 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
I have been in communication with a friend that has relatives at IwaKuni Japan.members there have been working to help their neighbors from day one. I have no doubt that the local leaders have the building setup as shelters the same as they did in Haiti. The problem in Haiti was that the government would not let the planes come in.

The local leadership are in the best position to know what to ask for.

I have been on ships that provided relief and saw over half of the items wasted because the local people did not know how to prepare the food. It makes no sense to send plane load of stuff that goes to waste.In Sri Lanka we dropped food only to go to Singapore and get rice because that is what the local people understand. the food that was dropped a week earlier was roting because the people didn't what to do with it.

100 posted on 03/15/2011 5:11:48 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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