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SHOCK FILE: Tampa Court Allows Sharia Law
Fleming-hayes.com ^ | 03/18/2011 | Fleming and Hayes

Posted on 03/19/2011 8:42:14 PM PDT by Mgm3com

March 3rd, 2011. The 13th Circuit Court Judge Richard A. Nielson ruled that a civil suit between the “Islamic Education Center of Tampa” and four of it`s trusties be settled, not in a court of law, but under “Ecclesiastical Islamic Law”.

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TOPICS: Islam; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: florida; islam; legal; sharialaw
To think we got to this point in America, that Sharia Law has come to our courts is outrageous. This is a legal business issue not a personal one that has to do with contracts under the laws of the State of Florida. It is thus not an issue for religious meditation, this is an issue for the courts. This is a legal issue not a religious one.
1 posted on 03/19/2011 8:42:21 PM PDT by Mgm3com
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To: Mgm3com

Circuit Court Judge Richard A. Nielson should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town with a pitch fork up his A$$!
Any questions?


2 posted on 03/19/2011 8:44:46 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: J Edgar

That is all these muzzzies need..and now the camels’ nose is under the tent so it is a matter of time before it is in more states..this is not good.


3 posted on 03/19/2011 8:47:53 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: Mgm3com

Whatever happened to that “separation of church and state” thing?


4 posted on 03/19/2011 8:47:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you thought the lame duck Congress was fun, you're gonna love a lame duck Kenyan president.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

this judge needs to be disbarred and shipped to sibera


5 posted on 03/19/2011 8:50:01 PM PDT by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: Mgm3com

I just sent an email to the governor of Florida about this nonsense. That judge needs to be replaced.


6 posted on 03/19/2011 8:50:47 PM PDT by bcr100
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s separation of Christian Church and State.... everything else is a protected minority.


7 posted on 03/19/2011 8:51:14 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: Mgm3com

Jeb Bush appointee:

http://flabuscourts.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=5


8 posted on 03/19/2011 8:51:29 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Mgm3com
I'm of two minds on this.
First, Sharia Law never! So let that appease the red meat chasers here.

But, reading the order, it appears that Judge Nielson of the 13th Judicial Circuit Civil Division is ruling on a motion to submit it to the arbiter. Which would tell me that this is the agreement between the two parties under whatever contract they had.

However, this other thread spells out why even that is problematical:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2691612/posts

Any Florida lawyers or folks know more on this?

9 posted on 03/19/2011 8:55:52 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Mgm3com

The next time a thug of any one religion kills another man of another religion for his wallet can his defense claim Sharia law and the passage to “Kill the Infidel Wherever you find them!” as their defense?


10 posted on 03/19/2011 8:56:02 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: J Edgar

Judges can be removed for bad behavior.

I’d say this qualifies.


11 posted on 03/19/2011 8:57:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The people need some sort of remedy against rogue judges. At present we do not have any, and that is some sort of an oversight on the part of the founding fathers and the constitution generally.


12 posted on 03/19/2011 9:00:16 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Mgm3com

The mythical “separation of church and state” only applies to Christianity.


13 posted on 03/19/2011 9:01:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Mgm3com

Winning The Future?


14 posted on 03/19/2011 9:03:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Mgm3com

Am cool with it.

Suit between muzzies.... just give ‘em some cheap bomb belts and let them fight it out in a closed military base, closed stadium in one of our ghettos, or some other stage that’s easy to clean up with bulldozers.

Problem solved.


15 posted on 03/19/2011 9:05:27 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: wendy1946

If you look into the history judges were removed for bad behavior. One was removed for swearing in the courtroom. Another was for ignoring an act of Congress.


16 posted on 03/19/2011 9:10:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Mgm3com

TV. Keep watching it because it will change your world. It put a islamic in the white hut. Prince Al Waleed - the largest shareholder in Fox is the money behind the islamic invasion of the USA along with his uncle.


17 posted on 03/19/2011 9:10:06 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Mgm3com
This is about the fifth time this story has been posted, just this day. And, every time I read the thread, the comments puzzle me. I don't know if people just don't read the order that's attached, or they don't have even an elementary understanding of US contract law to make sense of the ruling.

You're right. This isn't about religion, it's about law. And, in this particular instance, it's about two elements of contract law: Binding arbitration, and something that is known as the choice of law doctrine.

Here's the short moral of the story. If you do not wish Sharia law (or Catholic Canon Law, or Jewish Law) to be applied to contract disputes that you have in contract where you're (willfully) party to binding arbitration under a particular choice of law, THEN DON'T SIGN THE CONTRACT.

The people on this thread that are "calling the governor" or pining to have the judge impeached can't even begin to understand the stupidity they're conveying, apparently. The judge did EXACTLY what he should have under the obligations of existing contract law. In this country, contracts have consequences. You should enter them carefully.

19 posted on 03/19/2011 9:19:02 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Stop making sense!


20 posted on 03/19/2011 9:44:31 PM PDT by stormer
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To: OldDeckHand

Yes but isn’t arbitration suppose to secular in nature. Arbitration while yes is outside of the court system and part of contracts that people agree upon but the arbitration is still based on the laws in the jurisdiction the contract was drafted.

Yes contracts are binding in this country with serious consequences but they also are only binding if legal! Contracts have to be within the laws of the jurisdiction.

We don’t subject Catholic institutions to Canon Law in this country. I do not know of any Catholic institutions or individuals that have litigated an issue under a Catholic arbitration system. Correct me if I am wrong though.


21 posted on 03/19/2011 10:05:45 PM PDT by Mgm3com ("I would remind you that extremism, in the defense of liberty, is no vice." - Goldwater)
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To: OldDeckHand

A nice breath of fresh air.


22 posted on 03/19/2011 10:07:08 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Mgm3com
"Yes but isn’t arbitration suppose to secular in nature. "

The choice of law doctrine essentially says that any body of law (including a religious body of law) can be used in the contract, and/or in private arbitration.

"but the arbitration is still based on the laws in the jurisdiction the contract was drafted."

Right, unless something else is stipulated in the contract, as it must have been here.

"Yes contracts are binding in this country with serious consequences but they also are only binding if legal! Contracts have to be within the laws of the jurisdiction."

Federal law (Federal Arbitration Act) demands that state court adhere to arbitration stipulations in contract law.

"We don’t subject Catholic institutions to Canon Law in this country."

Catholic & Jewish laws are FREQUENTLY stipulated in contract as a choice of law. If you're doing business in Israel as an American company, or if your doing business in the US with Israeli companies, I promise you that you're going to be signing some contracts that stipulate binding arbitration that applies Jewish law in that binding arbitration. It happens everyday in courts all across the country.

In addition to business contract law, some marriage contracts (and other family law agreements) will stipulate certain religious laws be applied. This is a bit more complicated, so I won't go into it, but it happens. A lot.

23 posted on 03/19/2011 10:15:51 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Mgm3com

Been a long time since I said, “saw it off and let it float away.” seems apropos again.


24 posted on 03/19/2011 10:17:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: Mgm3com

This might be one of the dumbest judges ever.


25 posted on 03/19/2011 10:17:53 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Frantzie
TV. Keep watching it because it will change your world. It put a islamic in the white hut. Prince Al Waleed - the largest shareholder in Fox is the money behind the islamic invasion of the USA along with his uncle.

frantzie, frantzie frantzie .. you are one tedious son of a gun

26 posted on 03/20/2011 5:56:52 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: OldDeckHand

You know, I saw what probably was the fourth thread (of five) and within, perhaps 2 minutes, had determined this was primarily a decision about an arbitration path for the litigants. Titles of threads seem to be enough information for far too many people.


27 posted on 03/20/2011 6:07:26 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: OldDeckHand

You sir have more sense than most on this thread.


28 posted on 03/21/2011 7:08:07 AM PDT by Bayard
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