(Glenn) Beck's Bogus Beliefs

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Beck's Bogus Beliefs

March 2011

by T. A. McMahon

"Glenn Beck, the television and radio talk show host who is best known for his conservative political views, isn't someone whom we would normally address in our newsletter. Our concerns are usually directed at individuals, programs, or organizations that promote spiritual or theological views contrary to the Word of God. Beck, of late, seems to be making himself at home in that realm, and he's attracting many who call themselves Bible-believing Christians. ...

First of all, Glenn Beck is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He may refer to himself as a Christian, but he's certainly not a biblical Christian. The distinction is as wide as hell is from heaven: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God" (2 John:9). Mormon doctrine is "another gospel" that exalts "another Jesus." Both false beliefs came out of the deceived and deceiving mind of Joseph Smith. Secondly, "our country" doesn't have "Christian roots," even though some are claiming that our founding fathers were true Christians. Many were not biblical Christians but Christians in name only, who followed the faith of Deism, Masonry, and the philosophy of the Enlightenment. Any early influence in America's history of a biblical nature very likely came from the Pilgrims and the Puritans...."

[MinuteGal]

Well, I'm an "about-as-conservative-as-you-can-get" Missouri Synod Lutheran....and I've listened to and watched Beck just about every day since he started....and I'm trained and alert enough to detect any and all overt or subtle anti-Christian propaganda which offends my sensibilities....but I fail to pick up any of this at all when viewing Glenn's program.

After he returned from Christmas break, he's dropped most of the preachy, professorial, tutorial crappioli presentations he was getting bogged down in.......and which was causing folks, including me, to tune him out.

Since then, he's concentrated brilliantly on exposing the Obama regime, commies in government, radical organizations, etc. in a manner we've never seen before....and which we had all prayed to see happen in the media some day. Rush had given it a fling on TV, but unfortunately for us, it didn't pan out....and that was about the last of conservativism we were to see on the tube till Glenn popped up almost out of nowhere.

It's obvious Beck was "talked to" by a higher power in the Fox hierarchy during the holiday break or before. He really toned the preachy stuff down most remarkably. He's quite bearable now....and a gratifying font of well-researched info and education on the aims and methods of the enemies of our Republic.

If his particular style is not bearable, don't watch. He is not for everyone in this age of escapism and agreeable TV pap. His pre-taped Friday shows are usually crashing bores. The rest of the week I watch avidly. But nobody's perfect....including Rush who's been having some really inferior programs lately.

I personally cut Glenn some slack on his style because of all the inside stuff and the over-all value of his show's content to me as a conservative and an unabashed patriot.

Glenn is probably more of a Norman Vincent Peale than a Billy Sunday. As such, I find absolutely nothing in his own particular brand of do-good, live-right and be-aware set of values that offends or threatens my Christianity in the least.

My Christianity is not that frail of a thing that a good-natured, well-motivated, non-threatening Mormon or Baptist or Catholic with a TV program could shake even if he or she tried.

If one is looking for insidious propagandizing on Fox, turn the spotlight on socialist/populists like O'Reilly and Rivera, not on our ally, Glenn Beck.

Leni

[Vendome]

Moreover, you can directly to the Catholic Church’s website and get their explanation for why LDS is not a Christian doctrine.

Same at virtually any Protestant Church. Look to Southern Baptist and Independent Baptist.

None claim LDS as Christian and go into succinct points as to why.

[chuckles]

I don't require everyone to be correct on everything to have influence on me. I would have to ignore most Catholics, many Baptists, and all Churches with women pastors and homosexual marriage. Beck is just an insightful entertainer. His "schtick" is that he uses peoples own words to make his points. As far as his "spiritual" influence, I watch carefully when he tries to turn me to Mormonism,.....which is never so far. I haven't heard one statement from him that was purely "Mormon" and I DVR his program daily. As far as his "people are basically good" statements, there are many that make that sort of tripe. If I judged everyone by them believing that people are "good", I couldn't listen to anyone. Most people seem to have missed the Biblical definition of an evil heart, and many preachers seem loathe to preach it because they may seem "Calvinistic". The Bible says what it says and many are disappointed when they find out the people they look up to are human too.

Beck is a "good" man, IMHO, and has "good" intentions. There are good Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Methodists, ect, but I don't have to walk lockstep with anyone. It is fine to point out people's weaknesses, but you must know that you will soon be alone with no friends. I am friends with many people with varying beliefs, but I just have spirited discussions with them and don't abandon them. If my arguments can't hold up, maybe I need to re evaluate my arguments. It's called "learnin something". I think everyone would agree that starting a fight over what the Bible says is easy. The writers of the article believe they are the Bible experts that everyone must follow or they are following the devil. I may agree more with them than Beck Biblically, but to act like that only separates Christians. If you argue over salvation issues, that would be enough to anger a friend, but there are many arguments we could have amongst ourselves that have no bearing whether we go to heaven or not. One might be whether the Founders were Christians or not. I submit, as a group, they were more "Christian" than many pastors today.

On the whole, I think Beck is a treasure and will continue to watch and listen. I will never consider Mormonism as a plan of salvation. The two don't have to be mutually inclusive.

[Colofornian]

I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) a bonafide Christian. [said traderob judgementally about somebody else, provoking another poster to say...I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) out of line in drawing religious boundaries...which led to yet another poster retorting... I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to...and on and on it went]

ALL: Traderob has refuted himself. He claims some license he has to judge somebody else morally and/or doctrinally -- all while castigating that person for judging a group of people doctrinally.

Who issued the license of judgement to traderob? And why does traderob think he has the power to withhold somebody else from wielding public doctrinal discernment?

[Vendome]

They also believe God was once man and as God once was so can man be.

They believe they can become God’s and multiple wives in their spirit world.

I’d like to guess what God thinks of that and the description of God but we already know those answers.

[divine_moment_of_facts]

And, isn’t it amazing how differently those interpretations are interpreted! All we really have to do is listen to our conscience to know the truth. “..small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” I’m still seeking it..

[Vendome]

Yeah? I too have one of the best BS radars around and for 20 years I thought we were the same and both Christians. Now it's not for me to say we aren't, from God's point of view, but they don't consider themselves Christian and wouldn't want to be. I have hung with a family of Mormons for some 20 years and until someone said something weird to me a little more than 2 years ago, I never bothered to look into LDS and considered them Christians, the same as me. However,

 

At some point LDS has to admit I have their Doxy correct.  Does that make them a bad person and make me a good person?  NO.  It just makes us people.

 

In regards to their quoting of the scriptures, I don't get it.  Mormonism has at it's core that the rest of us have been led astray and we continue our whoring ways in direct violation of God's commandments.

 

They further tell us the Bible is flawed written by some unknown men of a distant age.  They they choose what books of the Bible are still valid and then using Utah logic, they read whatever they want into the scripture.

 

That is how I see it?

 

Let me shine a very bright light on this.  There isn't going to be some new revelation "The prophets" find some sort of equivalency, so LDS can remain relevant.  They do not want to and they will not go through a reformation.

 

Book of Mormon Student Manual:

Page 12;
“The value of the Brass Plates to the Nephites cannot be overestimated. By means of them they were able to
preserve the language (1 Ne. 3:19), most of the civilization, and the religious knowledge of the people
from whence they came. (1 Ne. 22:30.) By way of contrast, the Mulekites, who were led out of Jerusalem
some 11 years after Lehi’s departure, and who had no record equivalent to the Brass Plates, soon
dwindled in apostasy and unbelief and lost their language, civilization, and religion. (Omni 14–18.)

 

Page 24;
“Why was Israel scattered? The answer is clear; it is plain; of it there is no doubt. Our Israelite forebears
were scattered because they rejected the gospel, defiled the priesthood, forsook the church, and departed from
the kingdom. They were scattered because they turned from the Lord, worshipped false gods, and walked in all
the ways of the heathen nations. . . . Israel was scattered for apostasy. The Lord in his wrath, because of their
wickedness and rebellion, scattered them among the heathen in all the nations of the earth.

 

Page 26;

especially important are the effects of the Apostasy, the eventual Restoration
of the gospel, and the ultimate triumph of good.

 

Page 76;

shall be “brought low” (2 Nephi 12:12) and their “lofty looks” (2 Nephi 12:11) shall cease, for at the day of the
Lord—the Second Coming—His glory will smite them.  Verses 13–22 describe some of the status symbols of
the day, including commodities acquired by the most wealthy, the high mountains and hills of false worship
and apostate religion, the manmade defenses of towers and walls, and beautiful crafts or pleasure ships. In
summary, the haughty and proud will fall, and their worldly treasures shall crumble away in the presence
of the Lord’s coming (see 3 Nephi 25:1; Malachi 4:1).

 

Page 93;

The phrase "marvelous work and a wonder"  appears in Isaiah 29:14 and refers to the Restoration of the gospel

in the latter days. In 2 Nephi 27 we read of the important role of the Book of Mormon in this Restoration. Isaiah

prophesied that as the Book of Mormon would help dispel the darkness of almost 2,000 years of apostasy, the “wisdom”

of the supposed “wise and learned” would “perish, and the understanding of their prudent” would come to naught
(2 Nephi 27:26).

 

Missionary Preparation Student Manual(2005)

 

Introdcution v;

Subjects covered in both this student manual and Preach My Gospel include understanding the call to
serve a mission; learning to study and teach the gospel; teaching about the Apostasy, the Restoration,
and the importance of latter-day scripture;

 

Page 63;

Time and again throughout the history of the world, the people eventually rejected the prophets’ message. When

this happened, prophets, ordinances, and priesthood authority were taken away and the people lived in spiritual

darkness. These periods of darkness are referred to as periods of apostasy.  Because of His mercy, in time the Lord called

and sent new prophets to restore His gospel.

 

Page 66;

The rejection of the Savior, His teachings, and priesthood authority resulted in the Apostasy of the New Testament Church.

 

Without revelation or priesthood authority, false doctrines began to be taught and the true Church of Jesus Christ was lost.

God allowed truth, as well as His priesthood authority, ordinances, and Church organization to be taken once again from the earth

because of the apostasy of His children.

 

 

This apostasy eventually led to the emergence of many churches. False ideas were taught and knowledge of the true character and nature

of the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost was lost. The doctrine of repentance became distorted. Baptism and other

ordinances and covenants were changed or forgotten. The gift of the Holy Ghost was no longer available. This period of time when the true

Church no longer existed on the earth has come to be known as the Great Apostasy. It lasted until the Restoration through the Prophet

Joseph Smith.

 

Prospective missionaries should have an understanding of this apostasy and be able to teach it in a simple manner to their investigators.

(What's an investigator?)

 

Page 68;

President Gordon B. Hinckley taught that the reformers were doing their best to find the truths that had been lost to the Great Apostasy:

 

Page 72;

If, through apostasy, the truth and authority of the gospel are lost, God eventually calls another prophet at the appropriate time and place to

restore His authority and truth. The Prophet Joseph Smith was called to usher in the gospel dispensation that will lead to the Second Coming

of Jesus Christ and the Millennium.

 

New Testament Student Manual

 

(13-6) Matthew 15:13;

Who Are the “Plants” That “Shall Be Rooted Up”? False ministers who are offended by the truth “are corrupt and apostate, and in due course

shall be rooted out” by the truths which the Lord and his prophets declare. (See McConkie, DNTC, 1:368.)

 

Without the claim of Apostacy, LDS is not relevant nor can they validate themselves as "The One True Church on Earth".

 

Apostacy seems to be a recurring Obsession of the LDS Meme and somehow we are all suppose to bow down to their superior

Spirit, Perception, Pre-emminance, Superiority and anything else they can think of that puts people in the position of bit players

for their patronizing and condescending attitude.  All of which comes by way of a superiority complex.

 

Most people can't stand to be in the same room with a personality disorder that claims "Everyone else is inferior to me.  Now, bow down, kiss my ring finger and follow me...."

 

And that is the very first and major problem with LDS.  You aren't superior or chosen by God above all others.  "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God".  No one is excluded in that statement or any of the companion scriptures.  There is no way to receive special dispensation without Joseph Smith.

 

Besides the Hebrew beat the LDS by being the first and only chosen people of God.

 

So help me out here; Is this still current LDS doctrine?

 

Anyone?  Anyone?......  Anyone?

 

Everthing I typed above is from current LDS Student Material.  So nothing has changed, at all.

 

 

 

 

[savagesusie]

Beck’s religious belief is not dangerous to those who are knowledgeable about Mormonism and Christian Theology. He doesn’t hide his bias—it is his faith. I will not condemn him for his belief system, although I think he is in error, but I will not condemn him for having a belief system. I would rather he be Mormon than muslim. Although Mormonism lacks logic and reason unlike Christianity, it is not the equivalent to the no-logic, no free will— of islam.

What is surprising is his great logic when he attacks Progressive ideas and relates the Founding Father’s belief in Objective Truth and their intent when constructing the Constitution of the US. He is right about the historical context of the document and he is absolutely right when he says that our rights come from God....it is actually stated in the Founding documents. It was the Christian God—not just any god. He acknowledges that also.

His education into the historical founding of the country is also enlightening and I haven’t heard anything that isn’t “truthful” when he talks about political events and he ALWAYS recommends doing your own research which is consistent with people who are honest and have good intentions.

The New Age Religion movement is a problem....this water-down syncretism is what destroyed religion in Germany and Europe and has destroyed Christianity to a large degree in the US. Again, knowledge and education is the answer to the ignorance that allows this to happen.

Beck does state that it doesn’t matter which “god” you worship.....I do disagree with that profoundly. It makes all the difference in the world and the Founders were very specific (because of the devout Christians who founded this country) to enshrine the Christian ethic in the Founding documents and our legal system which is incompatible with many other “gods”.

[Cvengr]

A good thing done in a wrong way is still wrong.

[Vendome]

I don’t believe traderrob6 has been given the imprimatur of deciding who is right or who is wrong doctrinally and is probably a nice person.

However, there is no doubt the Mormon Church believes we are quite separate and distinctly different.

I was like traderrob6 but after spending the last two years studying them.

Trust me traderrob6, you are a mere “Apostate and Whore of Babylong” and that’s okay. There is no LDS if they don’t believe all other religions are failed or dark religions. They simply don’t exist without that belief.

[Colofornian]

good post

[Gamecock]

Are they the ones who knock on your door, clean your carpet, and then try to convert you?

[Colofornian]

You should hear them when you mention Roy Masters! LOL!

(And why would you want to mention Masters positively...unless you're a cultist like he is?)

[Vendome]

To anyone who reads this thread, I’m not trying to being or acting out of hate.

I just had dinner with two very nice Mormon Missionary boys and they were quite capable of explaining the difference in doctrines and we had a good time over dinner.

All of what we are saying is factually true and provable right off the LDS site and not taken out of context.

[Liberty Valance]

I kind’a like Beck’s TV program. Radio not so much. I have no illusions or delusions about his religion.

[Cvengr]

From a soulish perspective, perhaps, but not from a spiritual walk through faith in Christ.

[Gamecock]

In the battle for this nations soul and survival, let's make sure that, every day, we post something to run down another leading Conservative!

Conservatism doesn't save anyones soul. Mormonism doesn't save anyones soul. The Jesus of the Bible does.

[svcw]

No, he does not believe in the Biblical Jesus, when he says Jesus he is talking about the lds jesus who is created.
No, he does not believe in the Jesus who dies on the Cross, shed His blood for our Salvation, he believes that the lds jesus shed blood in the garden and the salvation lds talk about is not complete until they work for it.
When Beck says jesus he is not talking about the same Jesus you are talking about.
When Beck says god he is not talking about the same God, lds teach that god worked his way to godhood IE progression.
The words are the same but lds have nonBiblical definitions to these words.

[svcw]

No, he does not believe in the Biblical Jesus, when he says Jesus he is talking about the lds jesus who is created.
No, he does not believe in the Jesus who dies on the Cross, shed His blood for our Salvation, he believes that the lds jesus shed blood in the garden and the salvation lds talk about is not complete until they work for it.
When Beck says jesus he is not talking about the same Jesus you are talking about.
When Beck says god he is not talking about the same God, lds teach that god worked his way to godhood IE progression.
The words are the same but lds have nonBiblical definitions to these words.

[divine_moment_of_facts]

What’s cultish about Roy Masters?