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To: Cronos; Quix; metmom; presently no screen name; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; ...
I don’t see how saying “oh, the Holy Spirit doesn’t work today” makes any sense — what happened? Did the Spirit just go away? And what is wrong with believing that the Spirit works today as well?

No Christian says the "Holy Spirit doesn't work today" other than maybe Roman Catholics who relegate the Holy Spirit behind the magisterium and Mary and the sacraments and "alter Christus," etc.

The Holy Spirit is the reason and means for our sanctification. Christians know that the Holy Spirit works in their lives every single day, all day, 24/7.

If He didn't, we wouldn't be Christians. We'd be reprobates who might be inclined to relegate the Holy Spirit behind the magisterium and Mary and the sacraments and "alter Christus," etc.

Is it so wrong to believe that God does not work miracles today?

Miracles occur every day. And every one of those miracles was ordained by God for His glory and our welfare from before the foundation of the world.

124 posted on 05/04/2011 9:59:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Dr. Eckleburg: No Christian says the "Holy Spirit doesn't work today"

From the opc website Never again will there be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit such as took place on the day of Pentecost. The sending of the Holy Spirit is just as much an unrepeatable event as the birth of Christ was.

ok, so doc, do you mean that say that the OPC is not Christian in your opinion?

127 posted on 05/04/2011 10:09:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
From the opc website It will be noted that the Confession sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.

This is a very serious error. In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.

ok, so doc, do you mean that say that you reject the OPC doctrine on this? Do you think that speaking in tongues is possible today?

128 posted on 05/04/2011 10:11:59 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The problem is that OPC members self-declare your own salvation,
and the OPC preaches that church members do not get Judged - and they are the only ones who are resurrected which is a substitute for Judgement.

As well, the OPC teaches covenant succession, which is the doctrine that church members' children are saved regardless of whether or not they are even Christian.

129 posted on 05/04/2011 10:13:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
>>I don’t see how saying “oh, the Holy Spirit doesn’t work today” makes any sense — what happened? Did the Spirit just go away? And what is wrong with believing that the Spirit works today as well?<<

No Christian says the "Holy Spirit doesn't work today" other than maybe Roman Catholics who relegate the Holy Spirit behind the magisterium and Mary and the sacraments and "alter Christus," etc.

The Holy Spirit is the reason and means for our sanctification. Christians know that the Holy Spirit works in their lives every single day, all day, 24/7.

If He didn't, we wouldn't be Christians. We'd be reprobates who might be inclined to relegate the Holy Spirit behind the magisterium and Mary and the sacraments and "alter Christus," etc.

>>Is it so wrong to believe that God does not work miracles today?<<

Miracles occur every day. And every one of those miracles was ordained by God for His glory and our welfare from before the foundation of the world.

Wow. Beautifully put. AMEN! Thanks Dr. E!!!

:D

Hoss

134 posted on 05/04/2011 12:25:37 PM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"No Christian says the "Holy Spirit doesn't work today"

Which is so damning of those who state that the Holy Spirit cannot operate through Apostolic Succession and is incapable of participating in Apostolic Tradition, or, get this, the Holy Spirit cannot guide the Magisterium, but 'indwells" in every milkmaid and farmhand...LOL

135 posted on 05/04/2011 2:46:36 PM PDT by Natural Law
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